A Question Relating to the Bible being changed

I did not say or mean to imply I believed the Bible was illegal in all Muslim countries. It certainly is in some.

I also realize there are chapters in the Koran that speak of Jesus. That's not my question at all. Here it is again.

Greetings. I know I am showing my lack of knowledge on this subject, but I really would like to know the Muslim perspective on a couple of questions I have had for a long time.

Mohammad and the Koran came to us around 622AD. This is almost 300 years after the council at Nicea.

If I am not mistaken, the Koran instructs Muslims to read the books of God and calls them the word of God, light and guidance, and illumination.

I think I am correct in assuming Muslims believe the scriptures were corrupted before the council of Nicea.

1. Why would the revelation given to Mohammad instruct Muslims to pay any attention to these texts, and even refer to them so highly, if they have been corrupted for hundreds of years at the time the Koran was written?

2. If the Koran instructs Muslims to read the books of God, why is the Bible illegal in some Muslim countries?

Thank you.

hello....firstly i will tell u that i have no knowledge of this whatso ever....but from wat i have heard...........we(muslims) must believe that the previous books were send down by god....but no believe in them.....like believe wat they are saying is true....sure there are few things that are similar between the quran and the bible........(im guessing these few things were the ones that werent changed..)...but anywho.......yea we have to beleive that they were send to prophets before muhamed(saw)....but not believe, believe wat is said inside them.............i have also heard that a muslim person can read the bible as long as they kno that their faith in allah is strong and that they wont believe in wat is said in the bible....as u kno the bible and the books before have been changed....but than when the quran came down god promised that it will never be changed!!!!!!!!......and alhamdulillah it has not been.....as for why bible is not legal in muslim countries....all i can say is... maybe they fear that the people might believe wat is said in the bible....and yea......hope wat i have said answered ur question....again i have no knowledge but this is wat i have heard.....
anything bad i have said is from the shaytan and me and anything good i have said is from allah(swa)

2. If the Koran instructs Muslims to read the books of God, why is the Bible illegal in some Muslim countries?

I did not know can tell who has banned it?

Greetings. Thank you for your response. Although I did not review that thread, I am aware of Arius and the Arianism movement. He lived 250 - 336 AD and was a presbyter in the Church of Alexandria in North Africa. He denied the full deity of the pre-existent Son of God. That is true. That school of thought existed.

Let's assume Arius was correct, which is in accordance with Muslim belief. The Injeel which I believe is what the New Testament is called in the Koran was put together from writings which passed the tests of canonicity at Nicea in 325 AD. The Koran was written in 622 AD. The Injeel was already corrupt when the Koran was written saying it was God's word, because no Arian like writings were put into the Injeel. However, the charge of corruption of the Injeel or Torah never appears in the Koran does it? It only appears in later writings of men.


Respectfully, telling me someone bought a Bible in one Muslim country does not answer why the Bible is outlawed in some Muslim countries. I just want to know the reasoning behind such a thing.

Peace.

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I did not know can tell who has banned it?

Saudi Arabia comes to my mind immediately.

format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

[Pickthal 2:79] Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby.

Thank you for your patience with my lack of knowledge. So the above is the writing in the Koran which means writings in the torah and injeel are corrupted by man?

Peace

Don, I think I understand your question, and though not Muslim I've had enough conversations regarding it with Muslims to think I might be able to address your first question which it seems still hasn't been quite grasped.

As I understand it, Islam teaches (not just in the Qu'ran, but also in the hadith) that the Injil is a message given by Allah to Jesus for him to share with the Jews of his day. This is what should have been written, but the New Testament preserves a different message than that of Jesus -- blame it on Paul who started twisting things. Nonetheless the first Christians (other than those influenced by Paul) were true followers of Jesus' real message and thus were by definition followers of Islam. Sometime after that and before the council of Nicea the whole thing got corrupted. Even the writings of people like the Apostle John were changed to reflect the heresies of Paul, and other writings that should have been kept in the New Testament were scrapped by these same leaders of the church that were now no longer following Islam by heresy. So, when the Qu'ran speaks of the people of the Book as a reference to Christians, "the book" the Qu'ran is referring to is the original message of Jesus that should have been written down and that part of New Testament which was altered and scrapped by later leaders in the church. Of course it is recognized that some of the New Testament is still good and correct, but that trying to determine which parts are good and which parts are not is impossible without the original to compare it to, the best way to tell today is to compare it to the teachings of the Qu'ran. That which does not agree is bad. That which agrees is good. And that which is still undetermined is undeterminable and thus not trustworthy. The people of the book only had this book until the time of the Qu'ran, so they are given grace to submit as best as they could until a more perfect revelation is made available to them. Once they have this true message shared with them they are then accountable to how they receive it, and they need to turn away from that which has been corrupted. This latter concept when applied not to people, but to books would be reason enough for those that do outlaw the Bible to outlaw it as somethng which is haraam and harmful to those who might be misled from Allah by its false teachings.

Now, we will let the Muslim members of this board correct any concepts which I may have stated in error. Then if I have properly understood your question you will have your answer.

format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

I have lived in Saudi Arabia for four years and there was no such ban!-- I have browsed their libraries and malls... if you want to verify something best do it in person rather than a guess at the so-called bans and laws they impose and apply! We had Christian Lebanese neighbors who had their bible and their santa clause for Xmas!... I didn't see anyone coming and banning them or confiscating their bible...
peace!

Greetings and thank you again. I am not guessing on this subject. I have travelled globally. We are now allowed to bring religious items relating to anything other than Islam into Saudi Arabia.
Reference:
http://www.saudia-online.com/Travell...i%20Arabia.htm

Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are also prohibited. These may include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols such as the Star of David, and others. Makkah and Medina hold special religious significance and only persons of the Islamic faith are allowed entry.

Maybe Saudi Arabia says one thing and does another? Surely not. Peace.

format_quote Originally Posted by don532

Greetings and thank you again. I am not guessing on this subject. I have travelled globally. We are now allowed to bring religious items relating to anything other than Islam into Saudi Arabia.
Reference:
http://www.saudia-online.com/Travell...i%20Arabia.htm

Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are also prohibited. These may include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols such as the Star of David, and others. Makkah and Medina hold special religious significance and only persons of the Islamic faith are allowed entry.

Maybe Saudi Arabia says one thing and does another? Surely not. Peace.

I mis-typed my reply. That should read "we are NOT allowed to bring religious items....."

format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia

Gene-- you did well... I just can't understand why you won't cross over? G-D's hands are awaiting you...... grab hold!......
hmmmmmmmmmmmmn
peace!

I think that I am probably one of those that Allah has spoken of as kafir. I will gladly explain to you why I understand the message of Islam, but cannot accept it as a way of life to anyone who is truly open to hear another answer. However, only to those who truly want to know what does guide and motivate my life. On this board, as in my personal life, I will respect Islam even if I am not a Muslim, and therefore will not proselytize those who do not wish to listen.