A Message To The Non-Muslims.

Oh, so now they can be non-random?


here are your early posts for all, including yourself to see! they might have been binned but certainly not forgotten!-- nice seeing you sneak a post or two long after people have unsubscribed from a thread, so you can get the last word... You must be henpecked else where...

http://www.islamicboard.com/recycle-...olution-3.html

format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs

not a good approach.
at least not for me. the article starts right out with a threat and the use of fear - tactics i find very negative.

Have you ever spoken of the consequences no matter how frightening to deter someone from using the means which lead to such ends?

For example, showing a picture of a drug abuser to deter kids from taking drugs, used on us in the Uk when I was a kid, or shown the consequences in adverts of drinking and driving, I mean the goverment researches those things, they know that unless people visualise and see the outcome they will play it down in their mind.

How many a time have I said, "Oh man, if only I had knew it was gonna be like this before I done it."

format_quote Originally Posted by Count DeSheep

So Christianity and Judaism are acceptable?

If they were in submission to God, but times have moved and so they are not, the people of Moses, who we might now say are Jews, at the time of Moses were in submission, why? Because they followed that which was sent, but as soon as someone rejects something from God then how can that be submission? So when they rejected the next person sent to them they were not submitting, thus when they rejected Jesus peace be upon him, their submission ended, just as Satan's submission ended when he rejected to bow before Adam.

Thus the Christians now also are on the same path, with their submission not being complete because of their rejection of Muhammad.

So in the Islamic eyes they are not submitting, whether someone else believes they are that's their view, but I mean from the Islamic view.

format_quote Originally Posted by Count DeSheep

God has manifested Himself in the form of a human before, has He not? What makes the idea of Him coming down more than once as human so ridiculous? He struggled with Jacob and then renamed him Israel, as I remember. Or maybe that was just an angel God sent. Can't remember anymore...

According to the Judeic accounts, who also have other incidents which do depict God as a human.

format_quote Originally Posted by Count DeSheep

Kinda funny that someone who believes in God would ask for authentic proof of something religious, considering religion is based on faith. =P

Not really strange though, I mean, people mix up the whole belief/faith situation.

We don't have blind faith in everything, first we test it to see if it's true then if it is we have faith in what it tells us.

If someone gives me a bus time table I dont have blind faith in it that its the bus I am waiting for, I check the table, see the bus number on it, check the direction its going, when all the checks are made, then I place my faith in the timetable and wait at the bus stop.

format_quote Originally Posted by Count DeSheep

Bleh. I believe God can do whatever He wants, whenever He wants. I think that He has come down as human, multiple times apparently, to do things that we might not be able to understand. I have seen no evidence to the contrary.

Does God have a husband?

format_quote Originally Posted by ranma1/2

sigh... poor PA can you please grow up? We have already discussed this and all you cared to do was play word games. I wont discuss it with you again since all there will be is your general AH attacks and rudeness.

lol.. yes word play is your come back for subjects of which you have no apparent knowledge yet have the audacity to come and preach!
It is never a pleasure to debate with you... just browsing your various reponses is enough for any keen discerning mind to know that you are indeed of shallow intellect and equally poor grammar!

format_quote Originally Posted by thirdwatch512

purestambrosia - might i ask what a muslim thinks on science? like does the quran mention the age of the earth, how life started, and all of that?

You may pose your question under the discover Islam section and on a separate thread. Or simply narrow your option by clicking the search option, as I am sure all your questions have already been answered at some point!

peace!

format_quote Originally Posted by ranma1/2

. Its like showing me a picture of no drug attic or showing me nothing of drugs.

What is a drug attic? what does that sentence mean all together?
never mind I don't actually expect a heedful reply!

format_quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

Have you ever spoken of the consequences no matter how frightening to deter someone from using the means which lead to such ends?

For example, showing a picture of a drug abuser to deter kids from taking drugs, used on us in the Uk when I was a kid, or shown the consequences in adverts of drinking and driving, I mean the goverment researches those things, they know that unless people visualise and see the outcome they will play it down in their mind.

How many a time have I said, "Oh man, if only I had knew it was gonna be like this before I done it."

yes, but i don't really see this as comparable. you can show how drugs have destroyed people. with religion, it is different because you are dealing with the unseen. (by which i do not mean un-real).
since there is much that is positive about islam, why use the negative?
i know that some people respond to the fear message, but i am not one of them. different people respond to different strategies.
it may just be a thing with me, but my response is that someone is trying to manipulate me. it's sort of like george bush and all the red alerts.

format_quote Originally Posted by Phil12123

That is very true, that some non-Muslims think Allah is a different god. It might be a good subject for a new thread, "Is Allah the same god as the God of the Bible?" Personally, in my opinion, after hearing unending posts about Allah and how Allah is described by Muslims in this forum, he certainly does not match the description of the God of the Bible. So, if a Muslim wants to convert me, he should use "God" not "Allah."

But that won't be enough. Whatever he says about God had better not contradict what is taught about God in the Bible, which came BEFORE the Quran and has not been shown by any credible proof to be corrupted. Think about this: No Christian says the O.T. is corrupt and so all Jews should accept the truth of the N.T. which supercedes the O.T. Rather, the N.T. fulfills many of the prophecies of the O.T. and does not contradict it. Compare that to the Quran. In order to get you to believe it, they have to say the earlier revelation, the Bible, is corrupt, so all the contradictions between the Bible and the Quran must be resolved in favor of the Quran, in effect nullifying all that was said in the Bible. It is a masterpiece of Satan, the deceiver, to get anyone to believe that.

Anyone that would claim that the Bible is corrupt and something written some 500 or 600 years later (that contradicts it) is accurate would have the burden of proving by credible evidence that the Bible as we have it today is corrupt. The only way they could do that is to produce a first-century biblical manuscript written by the original author that says something substantially different than the Bible as we have it today. And I don't mean some phony "Gospel according to Barnabas." I mean, for example, the original Gospel of John that does NOT start with the verse that says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Well, they can't do it. So, as far as I'm concerned, they have not made their case, and I will stick with the Bible.

to each their own.

format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada -

A Message To The Non-Muslims After which they are not Excused by Ignorance

Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem

Dear Reader,

The purpose of this message is to invite you to think of and contemplate about the real purpose of your life on this earth and where you will end up in the Hereafter. Will you end up in Paradise or in Hell-Fire? Please, take note, that when you have read this message, you are considered to have legislatively been given proof and been informed of the admonition of all messengers, and after which you will not be excused by ignorance:

Take note that Allah the Almighty is the One and Only God. He is Eternal. He is Absolute. He has not begotten and has not been begotten and no one is like Him.

• Allah says: “Say: He is Allah, the One; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.” Surah No.112, Verses 1-4.
  
• Allah says: “He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees.” Surah No. 42, Verse No. 11.

Learn that Allah the Almighty is the Creator of all creatures. There is no god for this universe and what it holds but Allah.

• Allah says: “Allah is the Creator Of all things, and He is the Guardian and Disposer of all affairs.” Surah No.39 Verse 62.
  
• Allah says: “Such is Allah, your Lord, The Creator of all things, there is no god but He: Then how you are deluded away from the Truth!” Surah No.40, Verse No.62.
  
• Allah says: “To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and earth: To Allah do all matters return.” Surah No.3 Verse No. 109.

Be informed that Allah the Almighty has created you for one single purpose which is to worship Him alone.

• Allah says: “I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me”. Surah No.51 Verse No. 56.
  

Allah says: “And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to give zakat (i.e. charity given to the needy); and that is the Religion Right and Straight”. Surah No.98, Verse No. 5.

Understand that it is out of sincerity and purity of worship to Allah to avoid worshipping the created whoever and whatever they may be.

• Allah says: “Certainly they disbelieve who say: “(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah, - Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.” Surah No. 5, Verse No. 72.
  

Allah says: “Say: "I do no more than invoke my Lord, and I join not with Him any (false god).” Surah No 72, Verse No. 20.

Allah says: “Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your God is one God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.” Surah No. 18, Verse No. 110.

Allah says: “Those to whom We have given the Book rejoice at what hath been revealed unto thee: but there are among the clans those who reject a part thereof. Say: "I am commanded to worship Allah, and not to join partners with Him. Unto Him do I call, and unto Him is my return.” Surah No. 13, Verse No. 36.

Learn that he, who worships Allah joining with Him another whoever or whatever it may be, has associated partners with Allah and consequently his deeds will turn fruitless and he will be among the losers.

• Allah says: “But it has already been revealed to thee, - as it was to those before thee, - “if thou wert to join (gods with Allah), truly fruitless will be thy work (in life), and thou wilt surely be among the losers.” Surah No. 29, Verse No. 65.
  

Allah says: “This is the Guidance of Allah: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth, of His servants if they were to join other gods with Him, all that they did would be vain for them.” Surah No. 6, Verse No.88.

Take note that Allah the Almighty sent all Prophets and Messengers to reinforce and remind people that there is no god but Allah. That is nothing is worthy of being worshipped but Allah.

• Allah says: “For we assuredly sent amongst every people a Messenger, (with the command), “serve Allah, and eschew Evil”: of the people were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom Error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).” Surah No.16, Verse No. 36.
  

Allah says: “Not a messenger did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him: that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me.” Surah 21 Verse 25. There is no prophet who said to his people but: “We sent Noah to his people. He said: “O my people! Worship Allah! Ye have no other god but Him. I fear for you the Punishment of a dreadful Day!” Surah No. 7, Verse No. 59.

Be informed that having faith and believing in all Prophets and Messengers is a must. If anyone rejects faith or doesn’t believe one Prophet or Messenger of Allah’s the Almighty, they are rejecting faith in Allah and disbelieving Him and all His Prophets and Messengers.

• Allah says: “The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith, each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. “We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of his Messengers.” And they say: “We hear, and we obey: (we seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.” Surah No. 2, Verse No. 285.

Allah says: “‘Verily it has been revealed to us that the Chastisement (awaits) those who reject and turn away.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 48.

Allah says: “And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects the Truth when it reaches him? Is there not a home in Hell for those who reject Faith?” Surah No.29, Verse No. 68.

Allah says: “Those who reject the Book and the (revelations) with which we sent Our messengers: but soon shall they know.” Surah No. 40, Verse No. 70.

Be informed that Muhammad bin Abudullah bin Abdullmutalib (Peace and Blessings of Allah Be Upon Him) (PBBUH ) is the Messenger of Allah, who was sent by Allah as mercy to the worlds, giving glad tidings and warnings and that he is the seal of all Prophets and messengers and there is no Prophet after him.

• Allah says: “Muhammad is no more than a Messenger: many were the Messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.” Surah No. 3, Verse No. 144.
  

Allah says: “Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures),-in the Taurat and the Gospel; - for he commands them what is just and Forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure): He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him, - it is they who will prosper.” Surah No. 7, verse No. 157.


Allah says: “Say: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to who belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He that giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger. The unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words, follow him that (so) ye may be guided.” Surah No. 7, Verse No. 158.


Allah says: “Now hath come to you a Messenger from amongst yourselves: it grieves him that you should suffer, ardently anxious is he over you: to the Believers is he most kind and merciful”. Surah No. 9, Verse No. 128.

Allah says: “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets. And Allah has full knowledge of all things.” Surah No. 33, Verse No. 40.

Allah says: “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah…” Surah No 48, Verse No. 29.

Allah says: “And remember, Jesus, the Son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Taurat (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad. But when he came to them with Clear Signs, They said, “This is evident sorcery!” Surah No.61, Verse No.6. Take note that Allah the Almighty revealed to Muhammad (PBBUH) the Holy Quran which is the word of Allah and which contains Guidance and Light for the worlds. It has alsoexplanation of everything.

• Allah says: “Ramadan is the (month) in which was sent down The Qur’an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (between right and wrong) so every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spent it in fasting, but if anyone is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you: He does not want to put you to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.” Surah No.2, Verse No.185.
  

Allah says: “Say: “What thing is most weighty in evidence?” say: “Allah is witness between me and you; this Qur’an hath been revealed to me by inspiration. That I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there are other gods?” say: “Nay! I cannot bear witness!” Surah No. 6, Verse No. 19.

Allah says: “Verily this Quran doth guide to that which is most right (or stable), and giveth the glad tidings to the Believers who work deeds of righteousness, that they shall have a magnificent reward.” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 9.

Allah says: “We send down (stage by stage) of the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 82.

Allah says: “As for thee, thou receives theQuran from One All-Wise, All-Knowing.” Surah No. 27, Verse No. 6.

Allah says: “And We have explained to man, in this Quran, every kind of similitude: yet greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with gratitude!” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 89.

Appreciate that the Holy Quran, which was revealed to Allah’s Prophet (PBBUH), has been the Greatest Evident Miracle Ever. It is continuing and everlastingly challenging all mankind gathered together to produce something like it or like one of its Surahs.

• Allah says: “Say: ‘if the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.’” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 88.
  

Allah says: “And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witness or helpers (if there are any) besides Allah, if ye are truthful.” Surah No. 2, Verse No. 23.

Be informed that Allah has ordered all mankind no matter what their colours, sexes; languages may be to believe in Muhammad the Prophet (PBBUP), follow him and obey him. He who obeys the Prophet (PBBUH) obeys Allah and consequently he will be on the right path; and; he who disobeysthe Prophet (PBBUH), disobeys Allah and consequently he will be on the wrong path.

• Allah says: “Say: “Obey Allah and His Messenger”: but if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject faith.” Surah No. 3, Verse No. 32.
  

Allah says: “O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).” Surah No. 8, Verse No. 20.

Allah says: “He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah…” Surah No. 4, Verse No. 80.

Allah says: “Say: “if ye do love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most merciful.” Surah No. 3, Verse No. 31. Take note that he who hears of Muhammad the Prophet (PBBUH) and neither believes in him nor follows him is a disbeliever in Allah, rejecting faith in Him andconsequently worthy to be tortured on the Day of Judgement.

• Allah says: “We know indeed the grief which their words do cause thee: It is not thee they reject: It is the Signs of Allah, which the wicked deny.” Surah No. 6, Verse No. 33.
  

Allah says: “On that day those who reject Faith and disobey the Messenger will wish that the earth were made one with them: but never will they hide a single fact from Allah!” Surah No. 4, Verse No. 42.

Allah says: “If anyone contends with the Messenger even after Guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men to Faith, we shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- What an evil refuge!” Surah No. 4, Verse No. 115.


The Prophet (PBBUH) says: “By the One in whose hands Muhammad’s soul is, if anyone, anywhere in the world, whether a Jew or Christian hears of me and dies without believing in my Message will definitely be amongst those in Hell-Fire.” (Muslim)

Take note that the Religion before Allah is Islam and it is the religion of all Prophets and Messengers. No religion is accepted of anyone but Islam.

• Allah says: “And Abraham enjoined upon his sons and so did Jacob;” Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the state of submission (to Me).” Surah No. 2, Verse No.132.
  

Allah says: “The Religion before Allah is Islam..” Surah No. 3, Verse No. 19.

Allah says: “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost.” Surah No. 3, Verse No.85.

Be informed that resurrection after death is coming and absolutely true; the Hour is coming and absolutely true and theaccountability on doomsday is absolutely true.

• Allah says: “Lost indeed are they who treat it as a falsehood that they must meet Allah, - until on a sudden the Hour is on them, and they say: “Ah! Woe unto us that we neglected; for they bear their burdens on their backs, and evil indeed are the burdens that they bear?” Surah No. 6 Verse No. 31.
  

Allah says: “Verily the Hour is coming- I have almost kept it hidden- for every soul to receive its reward by the measure of its Endeavour.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 15.

Allah says: “And verily the Hour will come: there can be no doubt about it, or about (the fact) that Allah will raise up all who are in the graves.” Surah No. 22, Verse No. 7.

Allah says: “The Unbelievers say, “Never to us will come the Hour”: say, “Nay! But most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;…” Surah No 34, Verse No. 3.

Allah says: “The Hour will certainly come: therein is no doubt: yet most men believe not.” Surah No. 40, Verse No. No. 59.

Allah says: “Again, on the Day of Judgement, will ye be raised up.” Surah No. 23, Verse No. 16.

Allah says: “Allah is never unjust in the least degree: if there is any good (done), He doubleth it, and giveth from His Own self a great reward.” Surah No. 4, Verse No. 40.

Allah says: “Then shall anyone who has done an atom’s weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom’s weight of evil, shall see it.” Surah No. 99, Verses Nos. 7-8. Learn that Paradise and its bounties are absolutely true, therein everlasting goodness and bounties of which no ear has ever heard of, or an eye has ever seen or a mind has ever been able to imagine. All this has been prepared Allah’s righteous believers.

• Allah says: “The parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised! - beneath it flow rivers; perpetual is the fruits therof and the shade therein: such is the End of the Righteous and the End of the Unbelievers is the Fire.” Surah No. 13, Verse No. 35.
  

Allah says: “But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow, every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: “Why, this what we were fed with before,” for that are given things in similitude; and they have therein spouses purified; and they abide therein (forever).” Surah No. 2, Verse No. 25.

Allah says: “But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness- to them shall We give a Home in Heaven, - lofty mansions beneath which flow rivers, -to dwell therein for aye; an excellent reward for those who do (good)!” Surah No. 29, Verse No. 58.

Allah says: “Verily the Companions of the Garden shall that Day have joy in all that they do.” Surah No. 36, Verse No. 55.

Allah says: “(Here is) the description of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water unstaling; rivers of Milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Forgiveness from their Lord, (can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell fro ever in the Fire and be given to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?” Surah No.47, Verse No. 15.

Allah says: “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous.” Surah No.3 Verse No 133.


Allah says: “Be ye foremost (in seeking) forgiveness from your Lord, and a Garden (of Bliss), the width whereof is as the width of heaven and earth prepared for those who believe in Allah and His messengers: that is the Grace of Allah, which He bestows on whom He pleases: and Allah is the Lord of Grace abounding.” Surah No. 57, Verse No. 21.

Learn that the Hell fire is absolutely true; its torture in is true; and fierce. It has a torture that is extremely fierce, harsh, and perpetual. Its torture is something that no ear has ever heard of, or an eye has ever seen or a mind has ever been able to imagine. All this has been prepared for those who associate partners with Allah and who made it false to believe in Allah.

• Allah says: “Know they not that for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger is the Fire of Hell? - Wherein they shall dwell. That is the supreme disgrace.” Surah No.9, Verse No. 63.
  

Allah says: “…on the Day of Judgement we shall gather them together, prone on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf: their abode will be Hell: every time it shows abatement, We shall increase for them the fierceness of the Fire.” Surah No. 17, Verse No. 97.

Allah says: “And We shall drive the sinners to hell, (like thirsty cattle driven down to water)” Surah No. 19, Verse No. 86.

Allah says: “Verily he who comes to his Lord as a sinner (at Judgement), -for him is Hell: therein shall he neither die nor live.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 74.

Allah says: “But those who reject (Allah) - for them will be the Fire of Hell: not term shall be determined for them, so they should die, nor shall its Chastisement be lightened for them. Thus do WE reward every ungrateful.” Surah No. 35, Verse No. 36.

Allah says: “The Unbelievers will be led to Hell in groups: until, when they arrive there, its gates will be opened. And its Keepers will say, “Did not messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing to you the Signs of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of this Day of yours?” The answer will be: “True: but the Decree of Chastisement has been proved true against the Unbelievers!” Surah No. 39, Verse No. 71.

Take note that if you die believing in the oneness of God and in Muhammad (PBBUH), Allah’s last Messenger, you will be amongst those who will be saved and led into Paradise to live in its bounties for ever.

• Allah says: “But such as come to Him as Believers who have worked righteous deeds, for them are ranks exalted.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 75.

Whereas, if you die associating partners with Allah, disbelieving in Him and rejecting faith in Him, you will be among thosewhowill be in Hell Fire for ever and ever.

• Allah says: “But whosoever turns away from My Message, verily for him is a life narrowed down, and We shall raisehim up blind on the Day of Judgement.” SurahNo. 20, Verse 124.

Allah says: “And who does more wrong than one to whom are recited the Signs of his Lord, and who then turns way therefrom? Verily from those who transgress We shall exact (due) retribution.” Surah No. 32, Verse no. 22.

Allah says: “Verily he who comes to his Lord as a sinner (at Judgement),-for him is Hell: therein shall he neither die nor live.” Surah No. 20, Verse No. 74

Allah says: “…and if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.” Surah No. 2, Verse No. 217

Be informed that there is no force in religion; the right path is clear and the wrong path is clear. So after you have read and thought of and contemplated about the above message, you will not be excused by ignorance. As the warnings and message of all messengers have now reached you, you will be brought to account and be accountable on the Day of Judgment when there is no benefit for money or children but only for those who will come with good deeds and clear hearts. Finally take note that the devils of mankind and Jinn’s and the wicked of the learned among them are scheming day and night to prevent you from listening to this message and to any other message that speaks of the Truth.

We pray to Allah that He helps you find the right path and guide you to what pleases Him

Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds

PathtoParadise

God is all-powerful. It is through Jesus God works. God made everything through him. And there was not anything made that was not made by him and for him whom we have to do with. God is not powerless to forgive sin it is just another work that he does through Jesus. If God chooses to forgive in this way, who are we to say He cannot or how can we expect to receive forgiveness if we don’t meet God on his terms? In order to reject this message, you come against all the authorities in the Bible which include prophets and apostles. If I ACCEPT this message, I only reject one apostle or prophet as being God’s messenger. If you want to go by logic, the odds are in my favor, but I don’t go by logic or lean to my understanding. I walk and live by faith. It is God who has shown me whom I have to do with - not another man. I hear from God for myself about what to believe. Jesus said, “Beware of false prophets.” If you haven’t heeded his advice, you can rest assure to fall victim to it. I speak from experience. It happened to me. I will now try every spirit to see if it is from God and not lean to my understanding. I will hear from God for myself. I believe that I can do that; therefore, I do.

Out of curiosity, when you say you heared it from God yourself, do you mean trough the Bible, or trough dreams, or trough suggestive signs/events in your life, or telephaticly talked to you, or some other means of communication?

format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah

Out of curiosity, when you say you heared it from God yourself, do you mean trough the Bible, or trough dreams, or trough suggestive signs/events in your life, or telephaticly talked to you, or some other means of communication?

Good questions. The answer is all of the above except for telepathy. God has spoken to me through his word. When I believed it, he gave me a dream that confirmed it; in fact, I did a painting of the dream that was displayed in the international museum of art in El Paso Texas and the Suffolk museum of art in Virginia. It is pasted as my avatar. He has given me a vision that I am his child by opening the sky and beaming down a light into my eyes straight to my soul bearing a witness with my spirit that I am his. I have heard him speak to me through his small still voice and through the prophecy of others, but his written word is all he has been giving me lately. For me to deny that Jesus is The Christ the Son of the living God is worse than asking me to deny I exist. That is why I said it is important for you to hear from God for yourself not through some apostle(s). You were designed as a spiritual being also who is able to hear from God. Prayer is not just you speaking your peace, but it is also letting God speak his directly to you not through someone else only, but your spirit and God's must line up before you should accept what a prophet says. THERE ARE MANY FALSE PROPHETS AND JESUS TELLS US TO BEWARE OF THEM. IT WE DONT, WE WILL BE DECEIVED WITH NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

format_quote Originally Posted by alapiana1

Good questions. The answer is all of the above except for telepathy. God has spoken to me through his word. When I believed it, he gave me a dream that confirmed it; in fact, I did a painting of the dream that was displayed in the international museum of art in El Paso Texas and the Suffolk museum of art in Virginia. It is pasted as my avatar. He has given me a vision that I am his child by opening the sky and beaming down a light into my eyes straight to my soul bearing a witness with my spirit that I am his. I have heard him speak to me through his small still voice and through the prophecy of others, but his written word is all he has been giving me lately. For me to deny that Jesus is The Christ the Son of the living God is worse than asking me to deny I exist. That is why I said it is important for you to hear from God for yourself not through some apostle(s). You were designed as a spiritual being also who is able to hear from God. Prayer is not just you speaking your peace, but it is also letting God speak his directly to you not through someone else only, but your spirit and God's must line up before you should accept what a prophet says. THERE ARE MANY FALSE PROPHETS AND JESUS TELLS US TO BEWARE OF THEM. IT WE DONT, WE WILL BE DECEIVED WITH NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

Well, see the reaons I ask. If you replace "Bible" by "Qur'an" in that list then I would also say that I turned to Islam because of all of those things accept teh telephaty thing. And if you ask a jew, he might say the same, and if you ask a budhist and a sikh and so on.

So there's only 3 possible explenations the way I see it:
A) God guides different persons towards differnt paths. I think neither of us would agree on that possibility since most faiths seem to strongly condemn other faiths.
B) People have a tendency to misinterpret these divine sings. Which is kind of like saying: God is not good in communicating (astagfurAllah).
C) Some people think they are guided by God while they are in fact guided by Shaytan.

Now I suppose that as a christian you believe in option C, that we muslims are guided by shaytan, but as a muslim I would believe that christians are guided to some extend by shaytan since the message of prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) has been distorted. So, the millian dollar question, by what authority is your view better then mine?

format_quote Originally Posted by alapiana1

I understand all you say, and to some point, I actually agree; however, I don't believe it is possible that so many prophets and apostles have a distorted message especially when it is a tetimony to what many have seen and heard.

Sorry I haven't been 100% clear, what I meant was not that Jesus (peace be upon him) brought a distorted message. What I meant was that the message was distorted after him.

Like I mentioned earlier Muhammad is the main messenger that supports a distored view of the Bible. Since Muhammad doubted his own revelations as being from God, I doubt them even more. It is more likely that one will be mistaken rather than many prophets and apostles supporting the same message about Jesus including Jesus himself.

the doubt he had at first was from the shock of meeting djibriel. I think anyone would be shocked from such an event.

You say that many prophets support the message of Jesus (peace be upon him) including Jesus himself (peace be upon, him). But how can that be? According to Christians there has been no prophet after Jesus (peace be upon him). So how can another prophet have supported the message? And the Bible was compiled and partially written after Jesus, peace be upon him so how could he have supported it?

I guess you mean other prophets confirmed it because it was similar to what they said. In that case, you could say the Qur'an is also confirmed, because it also says the same thing as earlier prophets say. The only things it contradicts Christianity on are things like the trinity, or celibacy. And those things are only derived from very vague verses of the NT and is nowhere to be found in the OT. In fact all other prophets spoke of God closer in terms to the Islamic monotheism rather then of a Christian trinity.