Muslims: What will be the fate of pious Rabbis and Priests?

[Philosopher]

Will they go to hell for not being Muslim? I know some Rabbis who devoted their entire life studying the Talmud/Torah and praying.

Would it be fair for such people to be punished just because their path was strayed?

Thanks.

[Pygoscelis]

Well, if they are leading dozens of people astray, away from the true path, then wouldn't they likely be punished even more than their followers?

[Muezzin]

Well, if they are leading dozens of people astray, away from the true path, then wouldn't they likely be punished even more than their followers?

Come on dude, you make it sound like they're directing traffic!

[Philosopher]

Well, if they are leading dozens of people astray, away from the true path, then wouldn't they likely be punished even more than their followers?

Based on what?

[جوري]

This topic needs to be closed... Only G-D decides the fate of people on judgement day...

peace!

[Philosopher]

This topic needs to be closed... Only G-D decides the fate of people on judgement day...

peace!

Isnt there anything in the Quran about it?

[جوري]

There is plenty of Hadiths and Quranic verses on intentions and people entering heaven based on G-D's mercy... even Allah's Apostle himself... I'll search for it and find it... what is your game plan? in other words where are you going with this?

[جوري]

Volume 7, Book 70, Number 577:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise." (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet's companions) said, 'Not even you, O Allah's Apostle?' He said, "Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me." So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah."

[NoName55]

Everyone (who truly believes) is a Muslim (submitter).

No-one is a kafar, not even an idol worshipper, a kafar is the one who hides the truth once he finds it out and then hides it, no matter what his name or title is, whether he is rabbi or mullah or imam, whether he is called Jacob or Ya’qûb, makes no difference.

Even a man (includes woman) in a far flung corner of a jungle worshiping a totem pole or lump of stone. Until he has been given the Message of Allah in a correct way, his fate lies in the hands of The Almighty.


wa-salam alaikum

P.S. The future of lslâm is not with goofis and 12vers and grave worshipping ignorant, illiterate masses of east but with educated people of the west and Israel

[Woodrow]

This Question has the same answer as the thread about actors and actresses. Both threads are the same subject. However, instead of closing this thread as being a duplicate topic of an existing thread I will try to get them merged them together.

[Malaikah]

Volume 7, Book 70, Number 577:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise." (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet's companions) said, 'Not even you, O Allah's Apostle?' He said, "Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me." So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah."

Umm, how is that relevant? It is talking about the actions of Muslims...

Rabbi's and priests are as non-Muslim as any other non-Muslims. The general ruling regarding them is that they will go to hell, regardless of how many good deeds they did, because they didn't believe in God and His Messenger. You can't say you believe in God and then reject the man that He sent to guide you. Their good deeds are totally void. And as someone else mentioned, what makes them even worse is that they are responsible for leading other people astray from Islam as well!

The parable of those who disbelieve in their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a stormy day, they shall not be able to get aught of what they have earned. That is the straying, far away (from the Right Path).

[14-18]

Some of them may have certain circumstances that are valid excuses for why they never became Muslims, such as if they have never heard about Islam or didn't have the ability to learn about Islam at all, or something else... in which case it is only up to Allah to know, but as for us, we take them at face value, and face value tells us they are not Muslim and so we treat them as such.

[NoName55]

The general ruling regarding them is that they will go to hell,

rulings based on ignorance and misuse of Quraan are not worth the paper they are written on!

Path to paradise is thru grace of God.

oh what the point I give-up

[Snowflake]

Rabbi's and priests are as non-Muslim as any other non-Muslims. The general ruling regarding them is that they will go to hell, regardless of how many good deeds they did, because they didn't believe in God and His Messenger. You can't say you believe in God and then reject the man that He sent to guide you. Their good deeds are totally void. And as someone else mentioned, what makes them even worse is that they are responsible for leading other people astray from Islam as well!

I agree.. except that Allah does reward their good deeds, but here on Earth.

As for those who disbelieve, their wealth and children will not help them against Allah in any way. They are fuel for the Fire. (Surah Al 'Imran, 10)

It all but bursts with rage. Each time a group is flung into it its custodians will question them: 'Did no warner come to you?' They will say, 'Yes indeed, a warner did come to us but we denied him and said, "Allah has sent nothing down. You are just greatly misguided."' They will say, 'If only we had really listened and used our intellect, we would not have been Companions of the Blaze.' Then they will acknowledge their wrong actions. Away with the Companions of the Blaze! (Surat al-Mulk, 8-11)

Some of them may have certain circumstances that are valid excuses for why they never became Muslims, such as if they have never heard about Islam or didn't have the ability to learn about Islam at all, or something else... in which case it is only up to Allah to know,

true..

but as for us, we take them at face value, and face value tells us they are not Muslim and so we treat them as such

meaning?



we should follow the example of the Prophet (PBUH) who treated non believers with the same kindness and compassion as he did the believers

[Malaikah]

I agree.. except that Allah does reward their good deeds, but here on Earth.

True. But since this thread is about what happens after they die... I didn't mention that.

meaning?

we should follow the example of the Prophet (PBUH) who treated non believers with the same kindness and compassion as he did the believers

Meaning exactly what I said- we treat them as non-believers. I never said we should abuse them... I was referring specifically to after they had died, we treat them as non-believers in the sense that we don't offer the funeral prayers and all that stuff, like we do for Muslims.

rulings based on ignorance and misuse of Quraan are not worth the paper they are written on!

Path to paradise is thru grace of God.

oh what the point I give-up

If you think what I said is not correct, why don't you prove it yourself, instead of accuse me of saying things out of ignorance? I believe what I wrote is 100% accurate and not based on ignorance at all. What about the authentic hadith:

"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this Ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Sahih Muslim, 153).

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.

[3:85]

[siFilam]

Everyone (who truly believes) is a Muslim (submitter).

No-one is a kafar, not even an idol worshipper

a idol worshipper is not a disbeliever. where did u get that idea?

P.S. The future of lslâm is not with goofis and 12vers and grave worshipping ignorant, illiterate masses of east but with educated people of the west and Israel

Future of Islam in the hands of west and Israel.... I honestly don't know what to say. As a Muslim you are placing the future of Islam in the hands of disbelievers. May Allah guide you. Ameen.

[Snowflake]

Meaning exactly what I said- we treat them as non-believers. I never said we should abuse them... I was referring specifically to after they had died, we treat them as non-believers in the sense that we don't offer the funeral prayers and all that stuff, like we do for Muslims.

ok, agreed.

[جوري]

Fact is no one knows where anyone is going!..... (da3o Alkhalq lilkhaliq)
We can only do our best with the information we are given... people's final judgement lies with Allah.... And that is really my bottom line..

There were many parables of men who lived pious lives and ended up in hell and even the Sahaba were fooled by-- one such example that comes to mind was of a man whom everyone thought was pious... when he went out on the battlefield along side the prophet--he decided to grab a knife and stab it through his chest (he committed suicide) ---

another of a man who lived miserably forever and kept killing and killing some more... he went to a scholar to ask him if he can repent-- the scholar gave him a rotted twig and told him, when this twig turns green can you then be forgiven-- knowing full well that a dead rotted twig would never regain life again... with renewed hope the man tried his best to do great deeds-- and in fact the twig did turn green-- much to the surprise of everyone even the scholar himself.....

So Again my bottom line is--- no one really knows, where anyone is going...the final judgement lies with Allah.... We can only try to be the best Muslims and not be too terribly concerned with other people's life style choices, so long as they don't impinge on ours--

I mean honestly when a Muslim dies do you go "for sure he is in heaven" or " Allah yerhamo"? -- Only Allah knows whom his hosts are on this earth...
I have personally known of two priests in Egypt who lived in a monastary and were Muslims-- they just didn't declare it out of fear of the church.. and it all came out recently only after one of them died....Do you see what I mean? no one really knows.......

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كَذَلِكَ يُضِلُّ اللَّهُ مَن يَشَاء وَيَهْدِي مَن يَشَاء وَمَا يَعْلَمُ جُنُودَ رَبِّكَ إِلَّا هُوَ وَمَا هِيَ إِلَّا ذِكْرَى لِلْبَشَرِ {31}

Pickthal 74:31] None knoweth the hosts of thy Lord save Him. This is naught else than a Reminder unto mortals.

[Abu Zakariya]

You mentioning the Rabbis who devoted their lives to Torah/Talmud study made me think of the incident where Omar (may Allah be pleased with him) saw a munk truly devoted to his calling, and so Omar cried because he saw this man devoting his life to the wrong thing (and thus wasting it since he is a non-Muslim and the ruling regarding them entering the Hellfire is clear in Islam), which made him sad.

However, with that being said, we can't really know if someone heard the true message of Islam and Tawhid (Islamic Monotheism) and then rejected that message, so we don't know what Allah will do with every apparent non-Muslim (i.e. everyone that hasn't formally become Muslim). However, we do go by the apparent and what we see which in this case is that they are non-Muslims.

[جوري]

^^^ agree with above... I am not comfortable assigning seats in the after life to random people whose life I know absolutely nothing about!

Allah A3lam.. Allah is above all!

[Abu Zakariya]

True. But as for people that were obviously kuffar, we shouldn't relly say "Allah knows what is in their hearts." Like for instance the former Pope or someone like that.