Whose life is more precious to God ?

If u have given one option to save either thousands future unborn babies ( not yet in mothers’ wombs )

'not yet in mother's wombs' means they are not babies. You must've meant unborn babies. I think, we shouldn't be figuring whose lives are worth saving, but instead I believe every human life is worth saving, whether it's the life of an unborn or not.

Also, the babies have not been established in this world yet- they don't have people who love them or depend on them in the same way living people do, their deaths will not be as traumatic etc.

I don't entirely agree. An expectant mother loves her unborn child and it's death can be just as if not more traumatic than a child's that's already been born. Although, I agree, no one is dependant on unborn children save perhaps in the way of emotional fulfilment.

format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

Yes, most certainly.

I think that God loves Hitler, Idi Amin, Osama BinLaden, Joseph Stalin, Pharoah, Atilla the Hun, and me and you and unborn babies too. I don't think that God loves one of us more and one of us less. I think that God sent his son to die for all of us. And I think that any who are willing to turn to him and submit to him receive that love and even be changed by it. Sadly, not everyone makes that choice, and thus some continue to live (and die) outside of the experience of God's love. But that doesn't mean that God didn't love them. As a father, I can tell you that I love all of my children, even those that live lives which disappoint me.

Hi Grace Seeker,

It's interesting that you believe that God loves us all, good and bad equally. And I'm sure you believe that God wouldn't let me sacrifice my life to save yours or yours to save mine. But you choose to believe that God would sacrifice His son's life to save yours? Doesn't that mean that God loves you more than His son?

format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs

would you be able to love your child if he was responsible for the genocidal slaughter and torture of millions of human beings?

Yes, of course. I might hate what they do. I might have to punish them. I might even be embarrassed by them. But I will never stop loving them.

if a hitler was baptized and never renounced christianity, he would go to heaven, right?

No. Not according to my understanding of scripture. There are some Christians who believe that baptism in and of itself saves a person, and that once saved that one can never lose that salvation. I am not among them.

if a person risked their life saving thousands of people from a hitler's ovens but was not a christian, he would go to hell, right?

I can't answer that question. Maybe, maybe not. You didn't give me enough information and probably couldn't as one has to read the person's heart. I can at best speculate. But God knows best.

wow. what can i say? i'm pretty sure that i would find it impossible.

Nothing really to go "wow" about. You must not have kids yet. That's all.

format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

On the contrary, I do believe that not only would God let someone sacrifice their own life to save another, but has.

I'll go even farther, I believe that God was willing to give his own life to save mine. Does that mean that God loves me more than he loves himself? Not a very Islamic idea is it. But then it wasn't Muhammad who stated:

No. Not according to my understanding of scripture. There are some Christians who believe that baptism in and of itself saves a person, and that once saved that one can never lose that salvation. I am not among them.

If God died for your sins so that you may be saved, then in your second statement why does that not include every christian, good or bad? Why would God make such a huge sacrifice that wasn't going to benefit all christians? Is there a certain criteria for salvation?

(na udhu billah) Not that God can die.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)


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Whose life is more precious to
God ?


Babies who have not yet reached at mom’s womb or those lives who have already arrived in this world ?



If u have given one option to save either thousands future unborn babies ( not yet in mothers’ wombs ) or hundreds people living in this world , whom will u save ?



I would love to have answers on religious grounds. What's the stand of Islam & others religions about this . Thanks.

if your question is to choose between thousand of unborn child and few living
then we should save the living because unborn are not present to be saved yet
even one living men holds more spermatozoon than any sperm bank in the world

Muslim Woman, Muslim Sis, Maliakah, you all are asking some very good questions. I would love to answer them all, but I don't want to derail this topic from your original intent, Muslim Woman. So, Muslim Woman, it's your thread, I'll let you decide-- start dealing with them here, knowing that they will likely take us down some tangent that will never get back to your original question, or do our best to stay on topic?

format_quote Originally Posted by poga

if your question is to choose between thousand of unborn child and few living
then we should save the living because unborn are not present to be saved yet
even one living men holds more spermatozoon than any sperm bank in the world

As I read your post, that is the same as saying that you place no more value on child a few days from birth than on frozen sperm. Both are at best potential life, that you don't recognize the reality of an unborn infant as actually being a living (even if not breathing) human being yet. Is that correct?

Muslim Woman asked for religious grounds for such an opinion if you have any.

format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah

Yeh, of course it would be devastating for the mum! But I guess way more people would be devastated if the mum died (her husband, mum, dad, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, cousins, friends, neighbours, work mates etc), than if the unborn died. And that is the reason why abortions are allowed if child borth is likely to kill the mother, because her life is already established and the babies isn't.

Not that the unborn baby isn't important! Of course it is. And we hope that Allah gives it jannah because it died to young.

Are you saying that one's preciousness to God (the topic under discussion here) can be determined by how many people would grieve over that individual's passing? Is that what the Quran and the Sunnah teach?

Also, what Quranic passage tells us that the baby's life is not established? Or is this personal opinion?

format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

Muslim Woman, Muslim Sis, Maliakah, you all are asking some very good questions. I would love to answer them all, but I don't want to derail this topic from your original intent, Muslim Woman. So, Muslim Woman, it's your thread, I'll let you decide-- start dealing with them here, knowing that they will likely take us down some tangent that will never get back to your original question, or do our best to stay on topic?

Ah, OK. I agree. Perhaps we can continue on a separate thread. It would be interesting to hear your views about your beliefs.