Intelligent Design VS. Evolution (Be Convinced of the Truth)

**Hemoo** · 05-09-2007

For those who don't like Harun Yahya books and videos that refutes the evolution Theory.

here is a non-harun yahya Documentary that shows the weakeness of the main pillars and basis of the Evolution Theory.

this video discuss the Natural selection, chemical evolution and biochemical predestination.

in this video many scientists are talking, you will see the opinion of scientists in differnet scientific fields such as biology, molecular biology, chemistry, mathematics, biochemistry and science philosophy.

the conclusion of the video is that "Intelligent Design" is the strongest logical explanation of the creation.

and as Charles Darwin himself say in his book "The origin of species", he said:
If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. :X

so stop being a fanatic who insists on believing in a false and weak Theories that is more than 150 years old, but follow what modern science say. (remember the structure of the DNA)

short description of the movie :
A thoughtful and well presented argument for a turn away from the dry/rationalist argument that the miracle of life is a "nothing but sequence of chances".

any way to download and watch the video:

1st way:
download this program

http://video.google.com/GoogleVideoPlayerSetup.exe (4.77MB)

then go to the video url and click download, the downloaded program will connect to the google site to download the video

here is the video url:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5585125669588896670

2nd way:

here are another links to download the whole movie (gained using this site http://keepvid.com/)

Original link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5585125669588896670

›› Download Link ‹‹ (.avi - High Quality 400 MB)
›› Download Link ‹‹ (.flv - Flash Video 164 MB)
›› Download Link ‹‹ (.mp4 - iPod / PSP 177 MB)

ENJOY WATCHING

**MustafaMc** · 07-31-2007

Originally Posted by ranma1/2

it would seem you have no understanding of NS or EVO.

Well, since you apparently do have a thorough understanding of naturalistic evolution, then put forth an explanation that I can understand.

Start with a common ancestor and explain how each major species came to exist. Do so in your own words without pasting an evo website and telling me to go read for myself.

**جوري** · 07-31-2007

Actually wilbur, since you are here to set a courageous example, please explain to us how the process of evolution advanced so as to let the following occur-- DNA replication requires a high degree of fidelity in order to preserve the genetic code in daughter cells and prevent lethal mutations. This high fidelity is accompanied by 3' to 5' proof reading exonuclease activity of DNA which removes one nucelotide at a time from the end of a DNA chain. Yet there is just one enzyme specifically which executes the process from the 5' to 3' position to allow exonuclease acitvity which facilitats, or I should rather say functions to remove the RNA primer, which enzyme is that? and how did it evolve sentience to be aware of its very specific function? further why would a process that works hard to maintain that high fidelity allow at some point for many a random mutation whose very nature, we are not quite sure of to allow for this 'budding' so to speak from a primogenitor into such things as butterflies, and rabbits, fishes and trees, lizards and humans, stars and glaxies, lakes and mountains etc etc etc..

You want to live a G-D free life by all means, no one is imposing any sort of philosophical or theological life style on you, and I rather think it a relief, since being religious takes devotion and cultivation that is in and of itself remarkable and life long to perfect-- you are welcome to be what you are-- but again enough with the embarrassingly cheesy one liners, since you can't beyond a shadow of a doubt explain just one minute wonder of life. Even with the help of your little buddy using references to a website, none of you can integrate appositely the material which you so like to drop as if a famous celebrity, to be in concert with the debate at hand.

Truly this is the new form of opium for the unlearned to hide in their false pretenses!

**ranma1/2** · 08-01-2007

Edit: I already told you, no arguing by links.
and please try not to get to offensive when posting. attacking the arguments should be sufficient, no need to attack the arguer.

**جوري** · 08-01-2007

Originally Posted by MustafaMc

Well, since you apparently do have a thorough understanding of naturalistic evolution, then put forth an explanation that I can understand.

Start with a common ancestor and explain how each major species came to exist. Do so in your own words without pasting an evo website and telling me to go read for myself.

Watch out akhi, here comes the dull blade of the butter knife.. are you feeling the ingenuity of that piercing criticism? Almost leaves you at a loss for word... Thank God for the atheistical presence on this board.. without them we'd be all cloudy and confounded...

**MustafaMc** · 08-01-2007

MustafaMc:
Well, since you apparently do have a thorough understanding of naturalistic evolution, then put forth an explanation that I can understand.

Start with a common ancestor and explain how each major species came to exist. Do so in your own words without pasting an evo website and telling me to go read for myself.

Originally Posted by ranma1/2

which major species? do you have a lists?

bacteria - E.coli
plant - rose
insect - ant
bird - eagle
fish - piranha
animal - human

and why dont you want to learn?

But I do want to learn. I have explained in my own words how we develop from a single fertilized zygote to a mature human. Why can't you do the same even in simplistic terminology how evo gave us each species from a common ancestor? Perhaps, you don't want to embarass yourself.

as for going from a step by step explaination i wont bother.

In other words you CAN"T even provide a simple logical explanation for how naturalistic evolution works, but I am not surprised.

You wont read and its unimportant if you cant even read the basics.

But I will read what YOU write, not what you wholesale cut and paste.

SO... go to berkley or talk origin. Read.
Thats all im gonna bother with your posts.

Why, oh why, am I not surprised by your response? See my message above.

Since you can't explain how natural evolution gave us the species, how is your belief in the god called evolution different from my belief in the one God, Allah? You offer no more than evolution did it. How is that different from me saying that Allah created each species?

**ranma1/2** · 08-01-2007

Originally Posted by MustafaMc

bacteria - E.coli
plant - rose
insect - ant
bird - eagle
fish - piranha
animal - human

But I do want to learn. ...
But I will read what YOU write, not what you wholesale cut and paste.
...
Since you can't explain how natural evolution gave us the species, how is your belief in the god called evolution different from my belief in the one God, Allah? You offer no more than evolution did it. How is that different from me saying that Allah created each species?

if you want to learn the read, it doesnt matter if its a cut and paste, a link or some other valid source. I sincerly doubt you want to or you would.

you want to know how natural evo gave us a variety in the species. Simple.
imperfect replication plus selection creates the variety. "a very very very basic explanation" NOw go read.

**vpb** · 08-01-2007

Now being all superior and such you can swim underwater without hodling your breath right?

with our intelligence we have achieve to stay underwater

(ie. submarine, breathing tools etc.).

you can outrun a lion?

yes, just let me take a motorcycle.

you can fly?

Yes I can. I just get on the plane.

You only pick intel since its the one thing we might excel at over other animals.

You can't make comparisons with things you just made. Would computer be a level above us just bc they can perform calculations? of course not.
We will always be a level above animals, technology, since we can control them. That is the thing that you measure the levels, it is the control, the power to control something else, and it's not by the abilities. Should we count a tank as something a level above us, just bc it is made from metal? it's a useless comparison.

Now being all superior and such you can swim underwater without hodling your breath right? you can outrun a lion? you can fly? other animals have advantages that are beyond you. You only pick intel since its the one thing we might excel at over other animals.

Then again as stated before. Other animals cant destroy on the level we can. In that aspect i see other animals as better than us.

2:30. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

Perhaps they had no need to do so? Whales and dolphins are considered quite bright as animals go.. what need would they have to go into space or build a computer? They can swim far faster than we can walk. Food is all around them. They have no need of shelter. They can communicate unaided across vast distances. And of course, lets think what else they and NONE of the animals have managed to do. Kill millions of their fellows in ideological and religious disputes. Build atom bombs. Create global warming with their pollution. Kill off large numbers of other species in the belief they are are somehow 'special' and entitled to use the world and its resources as they see fit? Hmmm......

Yep

**ranma1/2** · 08-01-2007

Originally Posted by vpb

with our intelligence we have achieve to stay underwater

(ie. submarine, breathing tools etc.).
yes, just let me take a motorcycle.

Yes I can. I just get on the plane.

You can't make comparisons with things you just made. Would computer be a level above us just bc they can perform calculations? of course not.
We will always be a level above animals, technology, since we can control them. That is the thing that you measure the levels, it is the control, the power to control something else, and it's not by the abilities. Should we count a tank as something a level above us, just bc it is made from metal? it's a useless comparison.

2:30. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

Yep

so mohamad could outrun lions on his bike? no. ang id you go back a 2000, 1000 years ago we were not as technologically advanced so your resort to technology fails. Not to mention what you could do. Cna you build a bike or sub or plane from scratch.

Also it seems that you are making the might makes right argument.

and my comparision works. im not sure what your comment ment though.
Humans are good at what we have adapted at. We have many flaws and suck at many things other animals excell at.

Take 1 year old lion and a 1 year old baby and see who lives.

etc. etc.. etc..
You still havent commented on how superior we are at killing each other for no good reason as opposed to other animals.

Fact is. We are not any more "special" than a toad.

**vpb** · 08-01-2007

You still havent commented on how superior we are at killing each other for no good reason as opposed to other animals.

if you believe the concept of day of judgement, and intelligence of humans, and the evil (ie. shaytan) that affect humans you will understand why humans do bad things.

It is only humans that break the law of Allah swt , bc of the arrogance, where we have come to the point that people like you deny existence of God, and the natural thoughts of a human.

I hope you are not among the people who Allah has stamped their hearts, and will always be on the side of disbelief.

Fact is. We are not any more "special" than a toad.

I don;t know what to say. You just showed me the level of your thinking

.

La hawla wa la quwatta illah billah.

**Encolpius** · 08-08-2007

I'm waiting for the old "Darwin was a racist" straw man to rear its ugly head here.

**ranma1/2** · 08-08-2007

Originally Posted by vpb

if you believe the concept of day of judgement, and intelligence of humans, and the evil (ie. shaytan) that affect humans you will understand why humans do bad things.

It is only humans that break the law of Allah swt , bc of the arrogance, where we have come to the point that people like you deny existence of God, and the natural thoughts of a human.

I hope you are not among the people who Allah has stamped their hearts, and will always be on the side of disbelief.

I don;t know what to say. You just showed me the level of your thinking

.
La hawla wa la quwatta illah billah.

I do not belive in a day of judgement. Nor a actual good or evil. "perhaps you could give me your opinion". I believe good and evil are subjective.
As for anys "laws" of any god. the good ones we dont need to be told since society helps with those and there are quite a few bad ones that i just disagree with.
and why would a god stamp someones heart?