Another scientific fact that killed the Bible (OP)
Retroviruses randomly themselves almost anywhere on the DNA. When the DNA replicates, it replicates with the virus because that virus is now part of the DNA. Humans and chimpanzees share many of the same retroviruses in the exact same locations on the genome. The odds of a retrovirus inserting itself into any one shared portion of DNA between humans and chimps is 1 in 3,000,000,000.
For it to insert itself on the exact same spot in both chimpanzees and humans, if we didn't share a common evolutionary ancestor, the odds would have to be 1 in 3,000,000,000^2, or one 1 in 9,000,000,000,000,000,000. It would also have to happen multiple times. For it to happen twice, the oods would have to be 1 in 3,000,000,000^4 which is just too large to type. Yet, it happens more than twice.
In fact, just googling, I found over 100 shared retrovirus locations with chimps and humans. For these not to be a product of common evolutionary ancestors, the odds are 1 in 3,000,000,000^200. That number is so huge that I don't even think it has a name.
Basically, for humans and chimps to share just 1 common retrovirus location, 18,000,000,0000,000,000,000 retroviruses would have to insert themselves. To share over 100 locations, 3,000,000,000^200 times 2 retroviruses would have to insert themselves. Our DNA would be nothing but retroviruses.
The odds of chimps and humans not sharing a common ancestor are thus astronomical.
The Bible says that humans were created out of dirt. However, dirt doesn't catch retroviruses because it doesn't have any DNA. So, the Bible is fiction.
OK Imagine a tree. It has leaves and branches. Each leaf could be a species.
So take the leaf back to a twig back further to a branch back further to a main branch back further to the main part of the tree.
you look back from where you came and you see branchs and branches and branches. all splitting and splitting.
Hmm..i see..so actually we're 'Leaf' or another 'Branch' of life or species.
so scientist already found the 'Tree'..right?
Ignorance can cost you everything you are, everything you have...
can you explain this in simpler english, i dont understand...
Abiogenesis is the creation of life from non-living matter; the associated question being where life itself came from in the first place. It is important to realise that abiogenesis is not part of evolutionary theory. Evolution does not explain it, nor does it attempt to. They are two different things. It is quite possible to accept evolution while believing that God was responsible for abiogenesis, and a great many people do, usually believing that God was also responsible for the design of the evolutionary mechanism.
How science define Life?
From Wiki,
"Life is a multi-faceted concept. Life may refer to the ongoing process of which living things are a part; the period between the birth (or a point at which the entity can be considered to be living) and death of an organism; the condition of an entity that has been born (or reached the point in its existence at which it can be established to be alive) and has yet to die; and that which makes a living thing alive."
It's not an easy thing to define (yet everybody knows what it is!)
so scientist already found the 'Tree'..right?
Nope, and that fact is frequently cited as some sort of 'disproof' by creationists. It isn't, of course.. if your feet are surrounded by dead leaves and twigs and a branch or two drops on your head most sensible people would deduce the existence of the tree even if they yet hadn't yet spotted it and catalogued every aspect of its biology and history!
as for the begining of the universe, thats a whole nother ball of ear wax.
Ah ha!!! I understand now, a ball of ear wax is the seed that created the universe and all life. It always existed it had no beginning, and nothing made it.
Perfection, absolute joy, at long last the theory of everything, my search has ended.
Abiogenesis is the creation of life from non-living matter; the associated question being where life itself came from in the first place. It is important to realise that abiogenesis is not part of evolutionary theory. Evolution does not explain it, nor does it attempt to. They are two different things. It is quite possible to accept evolution while believing that God was responsible for abiogenesis, and a great many people do, usually believing that God was also responsible for the design of the evolutionarymechanism.
Hmm..i've read about this in the Noble Quran..
[010:004] To Him will be your return- of all of you. The promise of God is true and sure. It is He Who beginneth the process of creation, and repeateth it, that He may reward with justice those who believe and work righteousness; but those who reject Him will have draughts of boiling fluids, and a penalty grievous, because they did reject Him
[010:034] Say: "Of your 'partners', can any originate creation and repeat it?" Say: "It is God Who originates creation and repeats it: then how are ye deluded away (from the truth)?"
[027:064] Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god besides God? Say, "Bring forth your argument, if ye are telling the truth!"
but i thought science disagree with this.. but they even have a theory about this...something new for me.
[021:030] Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
this is my opinion of course..All living thing on earth seems to be originate from the same Non living thing and then evolve, but origin and creation of Adam(human) is separated from this eventhough Human also created from Non living subtance=clay..it's agreeable in science right?
[006:002] He it is created you from clay, and then decreed a stated term (for you). And there is in His presence another determined term; yet ye doubt within yourselves!
[015:026] We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
015:028] Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;
[032:007] He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay,
[037:011] Just ask their opinion: are they the more difficult to create, or the (other) beings We have created? Them have We created out of a sticky clay!
[007:011] It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who bow down.
and of course Allah himself will give life to any living thing, without Him Non living matter will never became to life, He start the Beginning of life and creation.
[002:028] How can ye reject the faith in God?- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.
i thougt fell asleep during science class making me difficult to understand origin of creation--but actually it's in the quran.
if we separated God intervention in Abiogenesis, science will have other explanation right? what is it?
Last edited by MuhammadRizan; 06-26-2007 at 05:25 AM.
Ignorance can cost you everything you are, everything you have...
but i thought science disagree with this.. but they even have a theory about this...something new for me.
I think you may have misunderstood me. I didn't say God being responsible for abiogenesis was a scientific theory - it is not. I just said that many people believe God was responsible, the essential point being that that belief in no way contradicts acceptance of evolutionary theory.
It is He Who beginneth the process of creation, and repeateth it
Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth?
Those verses could be interpreted either in that way, or as purely creationist, don't you think?
if we separated God intervention in Abiogenesis, science will have other explanation right? what is it?
There are several hypotheses, try the Wiki article. You might find the note on 'clay theory' particularly interesting!
I think you may have misunderstood me. I didn't say God being responsible for abiogenesis was a scientific theory - it is not. I just said that many people believe God was responsible, the essential point being that that belief in no way contradicts acceptance of evolutionary theory.
No No..maybe it's because my english is not so good.
i understand u'r telling me that if scientist want to find the origin of life, they have to agree that at some point, life will start from no life even they will not put God in that theory.
Well yeah i'm just typical Muslim, i believe in God, and now i also found science theory confirmed by God in Noble Quran, i supposed you understand what i'm thinking right now
It is He Who beginneth the process of creation, and repeateth it
Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth?
in this verse Allah actually debunking all those disbeliever and hypocrites that mocking Muhammad when he told them that some day we all will be resurrected after death and face the judgement day.
they say something like this" watta hell is wrong with you Muhammad? r u crazy or sumtin'?, how on earth we're going to be resurected physically when our body decay and become dust"
So Allah said He created us from clay in the beginning and what make u think he cannot do it again.
Clever answer i think
Ignorance can cost you everything you are, everything you have...
Ah ha!!! I understand now, a ball of ear wax is the seed that created the universe and all life. It always existed it had no beginning, and nothing made it.
Perfection, absolute joy, at long last the theory of everything, my search has ended.
Eric
IM pretty sure there is a creation myth where the creation of everything was from the um... "male stuff" not usre which onethough...
There has been a creation myth for pretty much everything.
My personal favourite is that the earth is perched upon a giant turtle. I don't recall the origin of this one though but its famous because of the following interchange the philosopher had with a questioner that went something like this:
"What is beneath the turtle that holds up the world?"
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