Is the ONE GOD of Islam the same as the GOD of the Bible?

format_quote Originally Posted by vpb

yes, that's why have three religions.
and Allah swt in the Qur'an all the time refers to people that they are taking other things/people as God besides Allah. so we are not really worshipping the same God, otherwise we would all be muslims together.

They are worshipping Allah and others besides him, that's it, so they are worshipping Allah, but not in the right way. Simple.

I disagree that if they worshipped Allah alone we would all be muslims, since if someone worships only Allah, they have neglected the second principle of actions being accepted, i.e. that the action confirms to the way of Muhammad.

Then again it all depends on how we use the word worship.

format_quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

They are worshipping Allah and others besides him, that's it, so they are worshipping Allah, but not in the right way. Simple.

ask them about their God, and compare it to surah ikhlaas

format_quote Originally Posted by vpb

no they don't worship Allah, they worship Jesus. is Jesus same as Allah?? I've never ever in my life heard a christian say "o father please....", but always heard saying "Jesus , ......". Jesus is their focus. They worship Jesus so much they even sometimes forget the Father and the Holy spirit. and their God as (FSHS), is not Allah. Allah doesn't have those characteristics or virtues.
so we definitely don't worship the same God.

I was a Christian and can tell you that they worship the 'Father' too, whether they understand him in the right way, as I said, is not the question, but rather, they believe that God, created the universe, this God some of them believe is three in one, we are not debating whether their belief of him being three in one is right, but we are takling the concept that this God which they think is three in one, is the creator, the God of Abraham, which is the same God muslims believe in.

format_quote Originally Posted by vpb

but Muhammed taught us to worship one God, Allah swt. So with it comes the second part of shahada. and as I mentioned the word 'muslim'. you need to pronounce shahada in order to be a muslim . and shahada includes Muhammed as a messenger.

Exactly brother, worshipping Allah alone is not right if someone just worships him in his own way, saying 'I will worship Allah by eating ham' is in reality not worship. I agree, but what we are saying is not whether they worship him right or wrong, but do they worship him in anyway? Yes they do, they also worship others besides him, that's their problem.

format_quote Originally Posted by vpb

as I said , from our view, they worship a prophet, we worship Allah az. does this look same to you?

My view as a Muslim is that they worship Allah AND, Keyword, AND a prophet. But even if they worshipped Allah alone, they would have to worship him according to the way of Muhammad, unless they did knew no better.

format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim

ask them about their God, and compare it to surah ikhlaas

Brother, I don't think you understand, if I asked a Christian to describe their God, they would say 'The Creator of the Heavens and the Earth, The Triune God...'

Some of their descriptions will be right and some wrong, I don't disagree, their understanding of God is wrong, but at the same time, within that understanding they do have a part which is right, they claim to worship The Creator, The First and the Last, The sustainer.

Sometimes i think that islam was created only to negate the divinity of Jesus Christ.

format_quote Originally Posted by vpb

no , we don't, bc you assume Jesus is god, and to us jesus a.s is only a prophet. how then could we worship the same God?

Its quite convenient for me because i seriously dont know what muslims worship. For me as a christian, muslims think that they worship the God from the Bible, but i am not sure about that.

Aaron, who created you, who gave you life? Who gives you all the sustenance you have in life? Is it God? Then why does He need to be in 3 parts? Isn't One God sufficient?

God is almighty so He can do whatever He wants. He can be in three parts , being one part in the same time.
He is almighty and we are to small creatures to say God cant not do this or cant be this. Our minds are to small to understand Him well. Its like a worm trying to understand the nature of a man.

format_quote Originally Posted by vpb

when do they mention the Father?? only when they talk about trinity. Everything they talk about is Jesus. Everything.

Erm, when exactly do you speak to Christians? If you speak to them in the streets or on the board or when they teach you then of course the only think they will mainly speak to you about is the Trinity. It's a da'wah thing for them.

format_quote Originally Posted by vpb

and we are not talking here about what God does, we are talking here about do we worship the same God, and certainly we don't . Bc they worship Jesus, which was a prophet, a man, while we worship Allah swt. Their "God" is in three personas, does that look the same God as we believe in???? does their "God" have the virtues that Allah az. does????

but as bro ibnabdulhakim said, check the surah al ikhlas if it matches with their description of God. that will tell u, if we worship the same God.

Do they worship The creator? If you want me to show you they do then I will, if they do then we estblish they worship Allah, but also they worship others besides Him.

They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

There you go, they worship the Creator, they also worship the created things besides the creator and say that the created and the creator are one. I agree, but none the less they worship the Creator AND the created. Simple.

You keep talking about the trinity and this and that, but do you agree that part of the trinity includes The Creator? I.e. that they direct some of their worship to God, The Creator, if yes, then that is it, they worship Allah but they worship others WITH Allah.

For me it is interesting. Jesus Christ seems to be the issue which is important for so many people, not only christians. Muslims say that Jesus was a muslim. Communists say that Jesus was a revolutionist. Even buddhists claim that for them Christ is something important. We all people of the world, Jews, muslims, christians, hindus, measure time according to Christ's born. For muslims Jesus will be the one who appears at the end of the world to judge people. Why Jesus, not the last muslim prophet Muhammad?

format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada -

Yes, i totally agree. But do you feel that God would give us logic which totally contradicts or goes against the religion which He sends to us?

He would send us a religion which makes sense to us. That's what makes us believe that it is the truth.



Peace.

Brother and according to Quaran who is responsible for creating christianity if not Allah? It was Allah who took away muslim Isa from a cross and made people believe that He died there. Christians believed that after His death, He ressurected, so Allah is responsible for creating the biggest religion in the world, and the biggest rival for islam. Where is logic in this ? Why would Allah made a faith that keeps stealing "true believers" from islam during the ages?