Is the ONE GOD of Islam the same as the GOD of the Bible? (OP)
Allah also explains to us clearly that because Jews and Christians both preach that we must have faith in One God, there is no need to convert them to Islam.
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
hah, have u asked chrisitans what is the "one god" they believe in??
Allah told us in the Qur'an that if Christians and Jews do good deeds, believe in one God (the proper way as muslims do), and believe in the day of judgment .... they go to heaven.
but the "One God" that chrisitians believe is not the same as the One God we believe in.
So this thread would deal with that very issue. Is the ONE GOD of Islam ("Allah") the same as the ONE GOD of Christianity and Judaism, the GOD of the Bible? Not just debates over the Trinity, but a comparison of other aspects and attributes of the ONE GOD.
Regardless of what any of us choose to believe, the same God hears all our prayers.
In the spirit of praying for greater interfaith friendship
Eric
I agree that the same God hears our Jewish, Christian and Muslim prayers. For me there is no question, but there is One God. However, what differs is our concept, or understanding, of Him and our relationship to Him.
Re: Is the ONE GOD of Islam the same as the GOD of the Bible?
Then you are confirming what I suspected, that the "creation" idea was to avoid Allah's having a son and to make Jesus' existence begin at that moment, denying both Biblical doctrines.
what did Jesus do, that makes you believe He is son of God?
Re: Is the ONE GOD of Islam the same as the GOD of the Bible?
Greetings and peace be with you all
Each one of us says I believe, which means I do not know for sure and that is truthful for each one of us to say I believe. God will know for sure what beliefs were given to each one of us, and I suspect God will judge us more by how we act on these beliefs.
How can we build communities if we are all neighbours with different beliefs?
Can we learn to live in peace with our differences?
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format_quote Originally Posted by barney
In an attempt to find out if there was a creator a few months back, I asked the creator to show me a sign. Something that was not too obvious, not too hard. "creator, if you can interact with me , can you let me see a plastic duck in the next few days"
It's been over 60 days and i've been in a lot of shops, bathrooms and watched a lot of TV. Not a single plastic duck.
God can apparently Move Mountains with a grain of faith. well I was actually looking for him, and he couldnt show us a single duck.
Interesting. So, I'm wondering... If you had seen a duck, what would you have done then? Looked for god no. 4 somewhere? I mean, how would you know which god showed it to you?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Phil12123
Interesting. So, I'm wondering... If you had seen a duck, what would you have done then? Looked for god no. 4 somewhere? I mean, how would you know which god showed it to you?
Nope, I would have accepted it as some sort of a sign. The depth of beleif would have varied with the situation.
A Glowing 40ft plastic duck appearing in the sky 100%
A plastic duck dropping immediatly on my head 99%
A Plastic duck being on the work desktop when i returned to it a few mins later 90%
A Plastic Duck being in my bathroom and bought spontaneously by the missus for no reason 66%
A Picture of a plastic duck on my TV within a hour 50%
Ditto but within 2 days 30%
A plastic duck in a shop window or shelf 10%
No Plastic duck at all 0%
Which God would it have represented? Umm the creator of the world. Had I been able to communicate directly, i would ask, "hey so are you anything to do with Jesus-God, Allah or The Emperor Hirohito?"
I suspect it would reply , nope, thats just some wannabe figments created by lonely men.
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Re: Is the ONE GOD of Islam the same as the GOD of the Bible?
format_quote Originally Posted by vpb
what did Jesus do, that makes you believe He is son of God?
He said He was, for one thing.
John 9:
29. "We know that God spoke to Moses; as for this fellow, we do not know where He is from.''
30. The man answered and said to them, "Why, this is a marvelous thing, that you do not know where He is from, and yet He has opened my eyes!
31. "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him.
32. "Since the world began it has been unheard of that anyone opened the eyes of one who was born blind.
33. "If this Man were not from God, He could do nothing.''
34. They answered and said to him, "You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?'' And they cast him out.
35. Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, "Do you believe in the Son of God?''
36. He answered and said, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?''
37. And Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him and it is He who is talking with you.''
38. Then he said, "Lord, I believe!'' And he worshiped Him.
John 10:
24. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.''
25. Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.
26. "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
27. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28. "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30. "I and My Father are one.''
31. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
32. Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?''
33. The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.''
34. Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, `I said, "You are gods'' '?
35. "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
36. "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
37. "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38. "but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.''
John 11:
1. Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
2. It was that Mary who anointed the Lord with fragrant oil and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.
3. Therefore the sisters sent to Him, saying, "Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick.''
4. When Jesus heard that, He said, "This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.''
There's more that He said but that should suffice. "In the mouth of two or three witnesses let everything be established." I'm sure you're aware of all the other witnesses, but in case not, I will call as my next witness....
...THE ANGEL GABRIEL:
"The Holy Spirit will come upon you, [Mary,] and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God."
...GOD THE FATHER:
"This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.'' (Matt. 3:17)
...THE DEVIL:
"If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.''
"If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down." etc.
The devil knows Who Jesus is but was mocking Him here, challenging Who He is after God the Father had said, "This is My beloved Son, etc." The devil, who is a liar, did not say Jesus wasn't the Son of God, so his merely questioning that, with an "If," is a tacit admission that He is the Son of God. And, of course, if the devil could get the Son of God to worship him, he would have scored a huge victory.
...THE DEMONS:
"You are the Son of God.'' (Mark 3:11).
"What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?'' (Matt. 8:29)
The demons that Jesus cast out of their victims knew Who Jesus was---the Son of God---and that He would be the Judge that would one day cast them into the Lake of Fire to be tormented forever and ever along with the Devil, and thus their statement, "Have You come here to torment us before the time?"---the time that they would be cast into eternal torment.
...JOHN THE BAPTIST:
"And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.'' (John 1:34)
...NATHANAEL:
"Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!'' (John 1:49)
...PETER:
"You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'' (Matt. 16:16)
...THE CROWD AND THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS THAT MOCKED HIM AS HE HUNG ON THE CROSS:
"You who destroy the temple and build it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross.''
"He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now if He will have Him; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.' '' (Matt. 27: 40, 43)
Re: Is the ONE GOD of Islam the same as the GOD of the Bible?
format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc;
The problem being that our relationship with God puts barriers up between our relationship with each other when there are differences.
In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth.
Eric
Eric,
I wonder why that is. Perhaps our beliefs are part of our perception of reality and an integral part of who we are. When we encounter others with beliefs that are different from ours it makes us uncomfortable, particularly when both are confident of their beliefs. No Muslim is comfortable with a Christian saying that Jesus (pbuh) is the Son of God yet at the same time fully God and no Christain is comfortable with a Muslim saying that Jesus (pbuh) was no more than a Servant, Prophet and Messenger of God.
Christian and Muslim beliefs are so similar yet in the end they are diametrically opposed. Perhaps, the religious differences exist as a means of testing each of us as to how we interact with those different from us.
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Greetings and peace be with you MustafaMc;
Perhaps, the religious differences exist as a means of testing each of us as to how we interact with those different from us.
I think you are right, it seems strange that the same God who created you and gave you the freedom to be a Muslim, also created me and gave me the freedom to be a Christian. In both our faiths it says that God chooses whom he wills, but it seems that the same God chooses in many different ways.
We should have a duty of care to look after God’s creation and that translates into caring for each other because we are all a part of the same God’s creation. It seems that we should strive to build communities were people of mixed faiths support and help each other.
We should not hate the things that God creates, and again that translates into we should not hate each other.
Somehow we should search for what is best in each other despite all our differences.
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Hi Everyone:
To respond to the thread title – Yes. God is clearly defined in the Old Testament, New Testament and Qu’ran as being the God of Abraham.
All three religious traditions point their adherents towards an Abrahamic type of personal friendship with God which cannot be earned, but received through God’s love and grace.
Jesus revealed that God could be known in a more intimate way - that of a loving heavenly Father. He explained that knowing God as a Father, who knows everything about us and cares about our life and future, can be accomplished through a process of adoption.
The choice then is ours. Whether to know God as some unapproachable judge through our religious traditions (Christian, Jewish, or Muslim), or choose to be adopted into His family and know Him as a loving Father and friend. I have chosen the latter.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
Regardless of what any of us choose to believe, the same God hears all our prayers.
format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc
I agree that the same God hears our Jewish, Christian and Muslim prayers. For me there is no question, but there is One God. However, what differs is our concept, or understanding, of Him and our relationship to Him.
I'm not so sure God hears, in terms of listens to and responds to, all our prayers. Consider these verses, one passage from the OT and the other from the NT:
Isaiah 59:
1. Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear.
2. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear.
John 9:
31. "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him."
Sin separates us from God, Who is Holy. For the unsaved, non-Christian, there is no promise in the Bible that God hears and answers his prayers, unless it is the sinner's prayer of repentance, as in Luke 18:13. After being reconciled to God and having his sins forgiven through the blood of Christ, the new believer has many prayer promises in God's Word that say God hears and will answer his prayers.
I don't mean to get off topic, but while we were mentioning prayer the above thoughts seemed appropriate. If anyone has a different view, based on their understanding of Allah, feel free to express it.
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