Muslims converting to Christianity

format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

salaam/peace;

i think , we are going off topic


anyway , anybody personally knows any ex-Muslim ? What's his/her reason for leaving Islam ?

I met a young man long ago who bacame Christian because he was told ---on the Last Day , no Christian will get any punishment for Jesus (p). Jesus (p) died to make all Christians sinless.

PS. where is the thread --Questions...answered by Christians ???

hola Muslim Woman,

not personally, but i have met some former muslims through internet forums. the one in particular that i am thinking of is now orthodox. while he does not often talk about what specific events came together to bring him to Christianity, i vaguely recall him talking about leaving the middle east and reading a bible for himself instead of listening from others about what it says, which convinced him. he seems to know a great deal about the history of the Church and Christianity, so he rejects a lot of the things muslims say about corrupted scriptures and the apostle st. paul, perhaps that weighed into his decision.

que Dios te bendiga

format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker

Proselytes who became Jews had to keep the commands of Moses just as if they had been born Jewish. There was no difference. That was the whole point of the party of the Pharisees. That Peter should of the Gentile believers that God "made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith" is an incredible statement that Peter was not concerned about a person's Jewishness. But rather there is no difference between a Jew and an Gentile if both are in Christ. Again, you can't put that on Paul

there were 2 kinds of proselytes, those who became as full Jews and were bound to follow the laws, and those who, while adhering to monotheism and Jewish moral guidelines were not required to follow the law, only the universal laws already mentioned. Clearly the gentiles to whom the council sent a letter had been alarmed and despondant at the idea of having to follow Jewish laws! therefore the council decided that they could be the other kind of proselyte.

My point is, that Jesus pbuh had no intention of abolishing the laws of Judaism and establishing a new religion (he says as much in the gospels). And the decision of the council of Jerusalem certainly bears witness to the fact that those early Jewish followers of Jesus had no intention of giving up Judaism or requiring anyone to give up Judaism, then or later.

Since I am of the opinion that a pro-Pauline spin was put on everything in the NT, naturally it is no surprise that extravagant praise of Paul is put in the mouths of others, and Paul's point of view is expressed by characters other than he.

peace

There's no question Paul is the man behind this worldwide deception which has made billions into ignorant victims of the poisonous theology of a "triune God" (God forbid).

The Book of Revelation warns about a 666, this has been proven to refer to Paul of Tarsus:

The Hebrew letter taw = 400
the letter resh = 200
Samek = 60
waw = 6

taw-resh-samek-waw (Tarsaw) = 666 (!)

format_quote Originally Posted by Jayda

Let's try this another way... which strictly (not noahide) jewish traditions do Christians today follow?

ok, how about this: Christians today do not follow Jewish law because Paul declared that the law was abrogated.

I think we can all agree on that.

peace

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets
-Jesus Christ (alaihi salam)
Matthew 5.17

by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace
-Paul the liar
Ephesians 2.1

Paul clearly wanted to justify getting rid of the Law in order to attract gentile converts. Paul's twisted theology is the origin of christianity as we know it today.

format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs

i've never heard that! - 2 types of proselytes. i guess it was a temporary thing? do you have a link?

here is an extract from a rather dry article on jewishencyclopediaonline

"......In order to find a precedent the Rabbis went so far as to assume that proselytes of this order were recognized in Biblical law, applying to them the term "toshab" ("sojourner," "aborigine," referring to the Canaanites; see Maimonides' explanation in "Yad," Issure Biah, xiv. 7; see Grätz, l.c. p. 15), in connection with "ger" (see Ex. xxv. 47, where the better reading would be "we-toshab"). Another name for one of this class was "proselyte of the gate" ("ger ha-sha'ar," that is, one under Jewish civil jurisdiction; comp. Deut. v. 14, xiv. 21, referring to the stranger who had legal claims upon the generosity and protection of his Jewish neighbors). In order to be recognized as one of these the neophyte had publicly to assume, before three "ḥaberim," or men of authority, the solemn obligation not to worship idols, an obligation which involved the recognition of the seven Noachian injunctions as binding ('Ab. Zarah 64b; "Yad," Issure Biah, xiv. 7).The application to half-converts of all the laws obligatory upon the sons of Jacob, including those that refer to the taking of interest, or to retaining their hire overnight, or to drinking wine made by non-Jews, seems to have led to discussion and dissension among the rabbinical authorities.

The more rigorous seem to have been inclined to insist upon such converts observing the entire Law, with the exception of the reservations and modifications explicitly made in their behalf. The more lenient were ready to accord them full equality with Jews as soon as they had solemnly forsworn idolatry. The "via media" was taken by those that regarded public adherence to the seven Noachian precepts as the indispensable prerequisite (Gerim iii.; 'Ab. Zarah 64b; Yer. Yeb. 8d; Grätz, l.c. pp. 19-20). The outward sign of this adherence to Judaism was the observance of the Sabbath (Grätz, l.c. pp. 20 et seq.; but comp. Ker. 8b).

format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs

when you look at it that way - you definitely have a point.

did they not stop feeding them to lions after blending Paulism and Roman Paganism (Perhaps Romans were running out of Christians who followed mosaic laws)?:confused: