In nearly all the western countries including Europe, the primary choice for meat is pig. There are a lot of farms in these countries to breed this animal. In France alone, Pig Farms account for more than 42,000. Pigs have the highest quantity of fat in their body than any other animal. The following report by a medical practitioner reveals the extent to which pig fat might be unknowingly consumed by Muslims throughout the world.
One of my friends, Shaikh Sahib works in Pegal, France, in the Department of Food. His work is to register all makes of goods, foods and medicines. Whenever any company is putting something in the market, its ingredients have to be approved by the Department of Food, France, and as Shaikh Sahib works in the Laboratory Quality Control, he knows about the ingredients. Many of these ingredients contain scientific names, but some have mathematical names, like E-904, E-141. At first, when Shaikh Sahib came across them, he was curious and asked his Department Incharge, who was a French, and he replied, "Just do your job. Don't ask questions." This aroused suspicion in Shaikh Sahib's mind and he started looking-up for them in the files. What he found was enough to astonish any Muslim in the world. In nearly all the western countries including Europe, the primary choice for meat is pig. There are a lot of farms in these countries to breed this animal. In France alone, Pig Farms account for more than 42,000. Pigs have the highest quantity of fat in their body than any other animal. But Europeans and Americans try to avoid fats. Thus, where does the fat from these pigs go? All pigs are cut in slaughter houses under the control of the department of food and it was the headache of the department of food to dispose of the fat removed from these pigs. Formally, it was burnt (about 60 years ago). Then they thought of utilizing it. First, they experimented it in the making of soaps and it worked. Then, a full network was formed and this fat was chemically processed, packed and marketed, while the other manufacturing companies bought it. In the meantime, all European States made it a rule that every Food, Medical and Personal Hygiene product should have the ingredients listed on it's cover. So, this ingredient was listed as pig fat. Those who are living in Europe for the past 40 years know about this. But, these products came under a ban by the Islamic countries at that time, which resulted in a trade deficit. Going back in time, if you are somehow related to South East Asia, you might know about the provoking factors of the 1857 Civil War. At that time, rifle bullets were made in Europe and transported to the sub-continent through the sea. It took months to reach there and the gunpowder in it was ruined due to the exposure to sea. Then, they got the idea of coating the bullets with fat, which was pig fat. The fat layer had to be scratched by teeth before using them. when the word spread, the soldiers, mostly Muslim and some vegetarians, refused to fight. This eventually lead to the Civil War. The Europeans recognized this fact, and instead of writing 'pig fat', they started writing 'animal fat'. All those living in Europe since 1970's know this fact. When the companies were asked by authorities from the Muslim countries, what animal fat is it, they were told it was cow and sheep fat. Here again a question arose, if it was cow or sheep fat, still it is haram to Muslims, as these animal were not slaughtered as per the Islamic law. Thus, they were again banned. Now, these multinational companies were again facing a severe drought of money as 75% of their income comes from selling their goods to Muslim Countries, and these earn billions of Dollars of profit from their exports to the Muslim world.
Finally they decided to start a coding language, so that only their Departments of Food Administration should know what they are using, and the common man is left lurking in the dark. Thus, they started E-Codes. These E-Ingredients are present in a majority of products of multinational firms including, but not limited to - tooth paste, shaving cream, chewing gum, chocolate, sweets, biscuits, corn flakes, toffees, canned foods, fruit tins, and some medications like multi-vitamins. Since these goods are being used in all Muslim countries indiscrimately, our society is facing problems like shamelessness, rudeness and sexual promiscuity.
So I request all Muslims to check the ingredients of the items of daily use and match it with the following list of E-Codes. If any of the ingredients listed below is found, try to avoid it, as it has got pig fat.=20
E100, E110, E120, E 140, E141, E153, E210, E213, E214, E216, E234, E252, E270, E280, E325, E326, E327, E334, E335, E336, E337, E422, E430, E431, E432, E433, E434, E435, E436, E440, E470, E471, E472, E473, E474, E475, E476, E477, E478, E481, E482, E483, E491, E492, E493, E494, E495, E542, E570, E572, E631, E635, E904.
It is the responsibility of each and every Muslim to follow the Islamic path and also keep his fellow followers informed of anything that he comes across. May Allah help us lead a halal life.
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I eat pork, bacon and ham all the time and I've never noticed any ill effects.
Also, if eating meat from an animal that hasn't been slaughtered in a halaal way is so injurious to health, howcome Westerners in general don't notice ill effects resulting from this either?
Peace
Lol science does not answer every question about ill health yet there may be unseen reasons for why it is forbidden...
it is stated by god to be unclean..a beleiver of either christian or islamic or jewish belif needs not question why....
It is stated within the quran,torah and bible question is are u religous not if your unhealthy...
Science answers many questions about ill-health, whereas religion answers none.
Religon answers none? please look more carefully into what science proclaims and the quran states...
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Well, if there's no evidence for it being unclean outside of the "unseen reasons" you suggest, then you have to question god's judgment on this one.
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The unseen reasons... talking from a belif point of view there is a law by god not to eat pork quite clearly stated in all three abrahmic religons...therefore for true followers of religon it is forbidden....
For the seen reasons...the Swine would eat anything you give it and it has no boundries to what it will eat , the swine would be found on battle fields eating the carcass of men wether christian, muslim or jew..compared to other as would be farm animals on a regular basis the swine would eat rotting meat, to then consume such a creature would be quite unhealthy...
Also as ar as unhealthy meats go pork is far unhealthier than other meats...
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
All the Christians I know have no compunction about eating pork. They don't obey all the laws in the Old Testament, in case you didn't know..
If they do not obey all the laws that is not any mans concern but there own they are no true followers then..the laws within the old testament were never thrown out the window with the new one.. it states no where within the new testament that pork IS allowed...
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Right, so why do we have people trying to justify the prohibition on pork on the grounds that it's supposed to be unhealthy?
Peace
Ask those people not me...
However overall as i said pork is unhealthy aswell..
but that would not be the grounds upon which i would not eat it...
Its a law of allah and i am a follower i obey what is quite clearly stated...
Religon answers none? please look more carefully into what science proclaims and the quran states...
I'd be interested to hear how Qur'anic statements answering questions to do with ill-health compare with those found in modern medicine.
For the seen reasons...the Swine would eat anything you give it and it has no boundries to what it will eat , the swine would be found on battle fields eating the carcass of men wether christian, muslim or jew..compared to other as would be farm animals on a regular basis the swine would eat rotting meat, to then consume such a creature would be quite unhealthy...
It's true that the pig will eat pretty much anything, although I'm surprised you would expect it to discriminate on the grounds of religion!
Also as ar as unhealthy meats go pork is far unhealthier than other meats...
Evidence?
If they do not obey all the laws that is not any mans concern but there own they are no true followers then..the laws within the old testament were never thrown out the window with the new one.. it states no where within the new testament that pork IS allowed...
True, the New Testament doesn't state that pork is allowed (as far as I know anyway). But ask any Christian theologian, priest or monk, and they will tell you that Christians do not have to follow every law of the Old Testament in order to remain Christian.
Ask those people not me...
However overall as i said pork is unhealthy aswell..
You have attempted to justify the argument that pork is unhealthy, therefore I think it's perfectly fair to ask you a) for evidence of this and b) why you think it's a suitable argument to make even though you appear not to found your abstention from pork on this basis.
but that would not be the grounds upon which i would not eat it...
Its a law of allah and i am a follower i obey what is quite clearly stated...
Of course. If you're happy with that, that's fair enough - your belief is your belief. If this is the case, then why make the argument about pork being unhealthy?
I'd be interested to hear how Qur'anic statements answering questions to do with ill-health compare with those found in modern medicine.
Overall the quran states much on science as i said do look into this if intrested...
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
It's true that the pig will eat pretty much anything, although I'm surprised you would expect it to discriminate on the grounds of religion!
Evidence?.
i do not expect it to discriminate thats my point... u asked why it is visbley unclean i stated that it would eat rotten meat and even a carcass of a human.
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
True, the New Testament doesn't state that pork is allowed (as far as I know anyway). But ask any Christian theologian, priest or monk, and they will tell you that Christians do not have to follow every law of the Old Testament in order to remain Christian.
I do not ask a mullah when it comes to not eating pork nor follow the words of a mere man i follow what is stated in the words of allah...
What is the point in following a religon to only follow what parts you want to follow?
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
You have attempted to justify the argument that pork is unhealthy, therefore I think it's perfectly fair to ask you a) for evidence of this and b) why you think it's a suitable argument to make even though you appear not to found your abstention from pork on this basis..
lol my main aim here is to explain that when it is stated that it is forbidden within your religon that is gods word and it should be followed...
For it being unhealthy a side tracked conversation yet u wish to aim mainly on that point?
lol sorry i wont go through the net looking if porkis the unhealthiest meat!? chefs have stated in the past that if sticking to a healthy life style pork was the first meat to leave off the platter as it contained the highest level of fat compared to other red meats...pls research yourself...
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Of course. If you're happy with that, that's fair enough - your belief is your belief. If this is the case, then why make the argument about pork being unhealthy?
Peace
You seem to be going round in circles...i have no argument..i have stated an important fact...i it is forbidden within your religon to eat a certain animal to truly follow your religon follow gods words..
Pork being unhealthy is your argument that i state it is unhealthy however if you wish for this to be the main debate here you are in the wrong place my friend...
Wether it be unhealthy or not abrahamic religons forbid it...
It was my understanding that in the time of Mohammad pigs had a parasite. Is this true? Well, this is no longer the case, so I don't understand the prohibition.
In regards to pork being forbidden in the bible, torrah, and koran, this is true. However, did you ever stop to think what your life would REALLY be like if you obeyed ALL the rules and regulations mentioned in the bible, torrah, or koran? I think we all have a tendency to pick and choose the ones we want to incorporate into our lives.
I clearly do not understand the assumption that pigs do not have a neck. I was raised on a hog farm, and yes, I guarantee you that they DO have a neck. In fact, when we would slaughter them, the first step was to shoot the pig, then IMMEDIATELY, slice the neck with a knife to drain the blood. Also, my farmgirl expertise can also tell you that chicken and turkeys are far more nasty than pigs. They eat their feces, they eat dirt. The flesh of a chicken or turkey is the most difficult to prepare in a sanitary manner.
To address the pork being unhealthy, I want to mention that the health factor of all animals depends on the method of food preparation. For example, pork (like poultry) has the meat attached to the fat. The fat is not incorporated into the tissue of animal. All you have to do is separate the meat from the fat(cut it off with a knife). Any beef eaters out there? Did you know that it is impossible to separate the meat from the fat? The fat is intertwined into the flesh of the animal (this is called marbeling). So, as far as fat content, beef would be the least healthy option.
I'm not trying to offend anyone, or convince anyone to eat pork. This is just my 2 cents.
Does this mean, "one who has come into peace or security "?
I do not mean to disrespect you or anyone else, I personally believe that it is impossible for us to follow every rule in the religious books. I suppose it's because many of them are contradictory.
Difinition:A believer, a practicing Muslim who wholeheartedly yields to Allah's guiding wisdom and is thus harmony with His will and at peace with himself and fellow creatures
Does this mean, "one who has come into peace or security "?
I do not mean to disrespect you or anyone else, I personally believe that it is impossible for us to follow every rule in the religious books. I suppose it's because many of them are contradictory.
Salam,
It may well be impossible, but its not impossible for us to try, to please Allah as best we can.
(Muslims believe there are no contradictions in the Qur'an)
It may well be impossible, but its not impossible for us to try, to please Allah as best we can.
(Muslims believe there are no contradictions in the Qur'an)
Salam
Perhaps there are no contradictions in the Qur'an. I am not in a position to deny your statement. Would this mean that the differences in opinions are due to individual interpretation? As much as I would like to believe that the instructions in the Qur'an are presented in black and white, I find that difficult to grasp. We can see from this forum the many views of Islamic interpretation. I don't think that this is a bad thing...just gives us the need for tolerance.
Hi. If the deen has been made easy, why are there so many differences in opinions? Thanks.
Salaam
I take it you talking about the sunni,shia division, well I'm not qualified to give a full answer but it comes done to people taking the advice of diffrent imams, anways this goes against forum rules so i'll leave it at here.
However, did you ever stop to think what your life would REALLY be like if you obeyed ALL the rules and regulations mentioned in the bible, torrah, or koran?
How? Give some specific examples? For example, why is there all the fuss over pig meat? I don't eat pig meat and I never felt the need to eat pig meat... meat from other animals fulfill my requirement.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
[QUOTE=Chuck;207361]How? Give some specific examples?QUOTE]
These are quotes that bother me. Since they are in the Quran, should we follow them?
Surah 4:43 - A man may punish his wife by beating her
Surah 5:51 - Muslim must not take a Jew or a a Christian for a friend
Surah 5:38 - Stealing is punished by the amputation of the hands
Surah 5:33 - Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet
Surah 24:2 - Adultery is punished by public flogging
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Some bible quotes that most christians don't follow....
Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
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Of course I could post many more quotes from the Quran and Bible. This is why I am asserting that Muslims and Christians follow only part of the rules in their holy books.
Surah 4:43 - A man may punish his wife by beating her
That's mistranslation and furthermore, it is not an obligatory issue from the pov of Quran.
Surah 5:51 - Muslim must not take a Jew or a a Christian for a friend
Another mistranslation.
Surah 5:38 - Stealing is punished by the amputation of the hands
That depends on the situation and context... in general it is not compulsory.
Surah 5:33 - Resisting Islam is punished by death, crucifixion or the cutting off of the hands and feet
Another mistranlsation and taken out of context.
Surah 24:2 - Adultery is punished by public flogging
I didn't check translation and context, but why adultery should be acceptable in the first place? Which one is worse: discouraging through flogging or killing millions of unwanted babies every year through abortion?
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
I didn't check translation and context, but why adultery should be acceptable in the first place? Which one is worse: discouraging through flogging or killing millions of unwanted babies every year through abortion?
I didn't check translation and context, but why adultery should be acceptable in the first place? Which one is worse: discouraging through flogging or killing millions of unwanted babies every year through abortion?
I can see your point about the statement above.
However, quotes wich weren't translated correctly concern me. It makes an english speaking person wonder why they should even consider Islam without first becoming fluent in Arabic....just something for me to think about. Thanks!
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