So the mention if it in the Quran is not percieved to make it feasible? I see.....
I dont know if youve read the Quran or are just taking bits out of it but, i dont know howmany times it quotes that the dwellers of Heaven and Hell with live thei FOREVER. Here's one..
"But those who disbelieve our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc) - such are the dwellers of the fire. They shall abide therein forever. Holy Quran (2:39)
I dont know if youve read the Quran or are just taking bits out of it but, i dont know howmany times it quotes that the dwellers of Heaven and Hell with live thei FOREVER. Here's one..
"But those who disbelieve our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc) - such are the dwellers of the fire. They shall abide therein forever. Holy Quran (2:39)
Was bored waiting so i found some more quotes showing the Quran believes in resurection, not reincarnation
"And when the Trumpet will be blown (i.e the second blowing) and behold from the graves they will come out and quickly to their Lord" Holy Quran - (36:51)
Say (to them)L "Alah gives you life, then causes you to die, then He will assemble you on the Day of Resurection about which there is no doubt. But most of mankind know not." - Holy Quran (45:26)
Yes, and it's the term used for reincarnation in Islam, so it does occur!
Its absurd to think that the religions are similar, or that our beliefs are that of yours. they are not. If you look at the two, Sikhism is almost the Anti-Islam.
Sikhs must not cut any hair - Muslims must shave theirs.
Sikhs cannot eat sacrifised meat - Muslims must.
Sikhs have music within their prayers - Islam forbids music.
Sikhs believe God is within - Islam believes God is above
Sikhs believe in reincarnation - Islam believes in Resurection
Sikhs dont believe in certain rituals -These rituals are the pillar of the faith of Islam
Islam believes Muhammed (pbuh) is the final messenger - Sikhi believes he isnt
Its absurd to think that the religions are similar, or that our beliefs are that of yours. they are not. If you look at the two, Sikhism is almost the Anti-Islam.
Sikhs must not cut any hair - Muslims must shave theirs.
Sikhs cannot eat sacrifised meat - Muslims must.
Sikhs have music within their prayers - Islam forbids music.
Sikhs believe God is within - Islam believes God is above
Sikhs believe in reincarnation - Islam believes in Resurection
Sikhs dont believe in certain rituals -These rituals are the pillar of the faith of Islam
Islam believes Muhammed (pbuh) is the final messenger - Sikhi believes he isnt
Explain that to the many muslims who create sites that claim Guru Nanak was a muslim. If he was, then why do they not praise him? (some do our of respect, unlike others) Fact is he never followed Islam or hinduism. Some muslims say Sikhs are the 'Military' section of Islam. I've not heard anything more ludicrous.
BTW - God is above and within . Even Jesus said that in his gospel!
All this has been covered before.
Baba Nanak, in one of his Janam Sakhis he says that he had it revealed to him by God that the religion of Islam is true. It was because of this that he went on pilgrimage to Makka, and adopted all the tenets of Islam. His sacred relics at Dera Baba Nanak bear the clearest testimony to his profession of the Islamic Kalima, "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet", and those at Guru Har Sahai in the Ferozepore District, include a copy of the Holy Quran. He also proclaimed that enmity to Islam was enmity to the light that comes from heaven.
This is false!
Last edited by AvarAllahNoor; 10-11-2006 at 07:52 AM.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
I dont know if youve read the Quran or are just taking bits out of it but, i dont know howmany times it quotes that the dwellers of Heaven and Hell with live thei FOREVER. Here's one..
"But those who disbelieve our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc) - such are the dwellers of the fire. They shall abide therein forever. Holy Quran (2:39)
I think that this and many other ayahs like this one are responsible of so many conversions to Islam. What about urs?
There are some propogators of Islam around me who would tell me to convert as soon as possible, coz no-one knows when death is gonna get hold over U. And if u die as a non-muslim than u are gonna live in hellfire forever . Further some of greatest scholers of Islam are too falsely propogating this message that to escape hellfire forever, convert to Islam soon. Its just disgusting, isnt it????
I think that this and many other ayahs like this one are responsible of so many conversions to Islam. What about urs?
There are some propogators of Islam around me who would tell me to convert as soon as possible, coz no-one knows when death is gonna get hold over U. And if u die as a non-muslim than u are gonna live in hellfire forever . Further some of greatest scholers of Islam are too falsely propogating this message that to escape hellfire forever, convert to Islam soon. Its just disgusting, isnt it????
Nope, their is plenty of incentive to follow this last path.
Anyway their is hell-fire for those who reject faith. It is Just a warning for what to come.
I rather don't think hell-fire is the main reason for converting, otherwise it should also be a good reason for christian not to convert to Islam.
This word is too harsh..... you should replace it with "contradictory to Islam" not... "Anti Islam"... some people may misunderstand it...
I apologise to those who were afended by my comment.
Perhaps i worded it incorrectly. I did NOT mean that Sikhism is AGAINST Islam. I just meant to point out that Much of Sikhisms teachings are the opposite of those taught by Islam such as i have listed. I also found out that women in Sikhism are forbidden to wear veil's!
It's obvious to those who can see it, that the Sikh doctrine goes against the grain of the way of life in Islam.
If that is the case, as many have pointed out before me. How can it be the natural progression of the religion god has decreed?
Im sorry but nothing in this thread has answered this fundemental question and it is a shame that our Sikh friend has given up trying to answer this.
I think that this and many other ayahs like this one are responsible of so many conversions to Islam. What about urs?
There are some propogators of Islam around me who would tell me to convert as soon as possible, coz no-one knows when death is gonna get hold over U. And if u die as a non-muslim than u are gonna live in hellfire forever . Further some of greatest scholers of Islam are too falsely propogating this message that to escape hellfire forever, convert to Islam soon. Its just disgusting, isnt it????
The message is not false. you may believe what you will but the end of days is a certainty. And you will be held accountable for how you have lived your life.
There are some propogators of Islam around me who would tell me to convert as soon as possible, coz no-one knows when death is gonna get hold over U. And if u die as a non-muslim than u are gonna live in hellfire forever . Further some of greatest scholers of Islam are too falsely propogating this message that to escape hellfire forever, convert to Islam soon. Its just disgusting, isnt it????
Great majority of Muslims dont do this including me... We only explain Islam to those who are interested to know.... to convert or not .... it's not for us to force...
Do Sikhs celebrate Diwali (or 'Deepavali' in Malaysia) ?
Sikhs celebrate 'Bandi-Chhorh Divas' wich falls at the same time as Divali.
The Sikh celebration of the return of the sixth Nanak from detention in the Gwalior Fort coincides with Hindu festival of Diwali. This coincidence has resulted in similarity of celebration amongst Sikhs and Hindus.
The Sikhs celebrate this day as Bandi Chhorh Divas i.e., "the day of release of detainees", because the sixth Nanak had agreed to his release on the condition that the other fifty-two detainees would also be released. These other fifty-two detainees were the vassal kings who had done something to annoy the emperor.
The Sikhs on this day, which generally falls in october-November, hold a one-day celebrations in the Gurdwaras. So in the evening, illuminations are done with Deewé (earthen oil lamps) or candles and fireworks. The celebrations are held both in the Gurdwaras and in homes.
Guru Hargobind Sahib succeeded Guru Arjan Sahib in 1606, at the age of eleven years. After the martyrdom of Guru Arjan Sahib, the moment was crucial for the Sikhs. Now for the first time, the Sikhs began to think seriously to counter the high-handedness of the mighty and theist Muslim Empire. Now a change had taken place in the character of Sikh Nation on the force of circumstances. Dialectically speaking, it was the need of the hour. Now the Sikh nation adopts both spiritual and political ways simultaneously. This policy suited well to all the social and economic segments of the Sikhs.
Guru Hargobind Sahib wore two swords, one of Spiritual Power - Piri and the other of Military Power - Miri. Now the Sikh became "Saint-Soldier." Guru Sahib issued various letters advising the Sikhs to take part in the military training and marshal arts. A Chronicler states that Guru Sahib kept seven hundred Cavaliers and sixty artillerymen. There was a band of Pathan mercenaries and Painda Khan Pathan was made its chief Riding, hunting, wrestling and many others martial sports were introduced. And on the other hand the martial songs like 'Vars' were daily sung by the Dhadd-players in the court of Guru Sahib to inspire the Sikhs of heroic deeds. Abdul and Natha Mal were given the task in this respect. The Guru Sahib himself was healthy and strong in body and mind. He himself learnt the use of different weapons, besides riding wrestling and hunting.
Many people think the animosity between Guru Hargobind (Not to be confused with Guru Gobind Singh) and Jahnagir was ongoing. No, they were quite keen of each others company and Guru Hargobind went into Gwalior to pray for Janangir as he was suffering from an illness, at the request of Jahngir. The mind poisoning of Jahangir was a task undertaken by a hindu, who was petrified of the relationship that would be formed by the Guru and Emporor.
Sikhs and muslims have been friendly throughout history (although hatred between the two has been encouraged by a select few) just because of a few select battles does not make us enemies. As you can read Guru ji had recruited many Muslims in his army (Not coverted, as this was not his mission.
Plus the foundations of the most sacred Sikh site 'Darbar Sahib' or known as 'Golden Temple' (As Mecca is to muslims) was laid down my 'Sian Mian Mir' so explain this if you think Muslims and Sikhs arre bitter enemies
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
Last edited by AvarAllahNoor; 10-12-2006 at 08:03 AM.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
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