Sikhism

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Brother plz clear ur misunderstanding, I never say that holy quran or Islam allows killing of innocents. Period. I might have used wrong words in my posts but they are definetely a gramatical or language mistake.

What I stress upon that holy quran asks ppls to be killed in certain circusmtances. This is a fact which cant be denied. Now my point is that it becomes an individual's personal choice to decide who is worthy of killing or who is not. Here starts all the chaos Islam is facing right now.

To eleborate further: If an Israili soldier kills a Palestinian than the world calls them criminals and terrorists, and rightly so. But at the same time when a Palestinian exploeds himself in a busy marketplace or a resturant taking away some innocent's life.......the Islamic world calls them martyr. It happens.

If some fidayeen kills some innocent Indian armyman, he is considered a martyr or holy jihadi if remains alive. While when some Indian armyman kills some innocent kashmiri than all hell break loose. and rightly so. But why muslim killers are looked upon as pious jihadis is still a question for me which begs for a suitable answer.

I remember someone asking Dr. Zakir Naik. about the suicide bombings Palestinians are carrying on Israilis.........Dr. Zakir Naik answered that its not against Islam coz the martyr is killing an Israili soldier or ex soldier which is allowed in Islam.

So brother, although I view holy quran as a most noble and the best book ever, I find it hard to believe that its book from ALLAH coz it has so many flaws in it, while considering that its law for humankind till quayamah.

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It's Ok, i realise that sometimes word's can come out wrong.

I would like to draw your attention to a misconception you have though.

It is true that many people interpret the Quran in different way's and some even twist its meaning for their own idea's (Killing inocents on busses, planes etc./ is forbidden but someone is duped into believing its OK)

However, there is general consensus amongst the scholars that there is no Jihad currently in this world. You can check this out yourself from posts on this forum or look online. If there was, dont you think the whole Muslim world would be rushing to fight in Palestine?

You have to ask yourself, what are they fighting for?
Is it for God?
Or is it for land?

YOu must realise that these people fight because they are being persecuted from their land and homes NOT their faith. Which is when it becomes nesseiairy to fight for freedom.

I hope this clears up your concerns

format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

What's all this 'Your God' business??

You may believe that your god is our God (Allah), but we do not believe Our God (Allah) is your god

format_quote Originally Posted by Tayyaba

I officially declare u lost

Oh thanks Sis, I never know that we have someone with such divine authority to declare things like that. good to have U sister. may ALLAH bless U.

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format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

[COLOR="Green"] SGGS Page 306 Full Shabad
Those who meditate on You, O True Lord - they are very rare.

SO if people do rightous deeds all their life, but arent told to meditate on gods name, Do they start again?

format_quote Originally Posted by Mohsin

Mother teresa and the like has been discussed before Mother Teresa- Heaven or Hell?

I read somewhere that mother teresa would give money to poor and at the same time preach them christianity, almost blackmailing them. Dont know if its true. Have also heard that she would put money back into the churches in sri lanka or something. We dont knw her true intentions, and we dont know whether she died in state of islam or not, so we dont know if she is going to heaven or hell. plz read thread for more info

Thanks brother for providing the link, I will check it out now.

Brother as I have already said that all great ppls have gone through criticism, its nothing new. I assure U that she did nothing like what some ppls blames her. She did all the service with sole intention to serve the down trodden. She might had preached her faith to ppls which is not wrong at all, she was an Indian and Indian laws allows anyone to preach or propogate his or her faith. So plz dont get confused. She was among the best of human beings without any doubts, the world praise and respect her for her deeds.

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format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

This evolution of the Soul will eventually results in a union with God upon the proper purification of the spirit. If one does not perform righteous deeds, ones soul will continue to cycle in reincarnation forever. A being who has performed good deeds and actions in their lives is transmigrated to a better and higher life form in the next life until the soul of the being becomes Godlike.

Aoothu Billah!!!!
(I seek refuge)

This is where i (personally) have a problem. You believe that we can actually become like Allah? The Lord and Creater of All?

You think He took parts of himself and let them try and 'somehow' get back to him through good deeds and rememberence?

A'Stagfir Allah!!

This is where Sikhism and Islam totally differ, as we call this Shirk (ascribing partners with Allah)

Dont come back at me with the whole 'If a bottle falls into the 'one' sea is the sea not within and all around the bottle' because that for me is useless.

format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

I don't believe that's true brother. I have knowledge of the Quran, but i think people use certain parts of a verse to benefit themselves.

Agreed brother, its the most misinterpretated and misunderstood book in the world today.

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Thanks brother for providing the link, I will check it out now.

I assure U that she did nothing like what some ppls blames her. She did all the service with sole intention to serve the down trodden.
Thanks

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS IN HER HEART?

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT HER INTENTION WAS?

ONLY ALLAH HAS THIS FORSIGHT.

AND TO HIM (SWT) YOU WILL RETURN.

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Agreed brother, its the most misinterpretated and misunderstood book in the world today.

I agree with this statement haowever, there are other misinterpreted books out there also.

Particularly one's written in a language that isnt even used anymore (Vedas)

And one that actually created it's own language (GGS)

format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

From a human life form, if one performs the proper functions of a Gurmukh, the person can achieve salvation with God. One must cleanse the soul by reciting Naam, by remembrance of Waheguru and by following the path of Gurmat.

So one day in the future, all of mankind will be Sikh?

format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

I thought hindus did?

Brother, its a misconception about hinduism. Yes although many hindus believe in reincarnation but not all, still its a fact that hinduism is not a religion itself. U cant find word hindu in any of Vedas, Gita, Ramayan, its enough proof that hindu is not a religion. Religion is Sanatan Dharma. or the ancient religion.

An atheist is a hindu, a grave worshipper is a hindu, arya samajis( ppls who dont worship idols) are hindus, and ofcourse Sanatan Dharmis are hindus too and so on and so forth. The list could be too long.

And last though not least, I m a hindu too, while I believe in one GOD/ALLAH/BHAGVAN..........thats all, no prophet or messenger, no divine book. Humanity is my relgion which is only true religion of ALLAH, coz HE has born us as a human only, its later we were given our religious identities by our parents or further later when we choose a religion for ourselves.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanif_Revert

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS IN HER HEART?

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT HER INTENTION WAS?

ONLY ALLAH HAS THIS FORSIGHT.

AND TO HIM (SWT) YOU WILL RETURN.

I ALREADY SAID BROTHER THAT WE ARE FREE TO SPECULATE, AS U GUYS ARE FREE TO CALL US KUFFAR AND PREDICT OUR DESTINY. I HOPE THIS MAKES UNDERSTAND. AGREED WITH UR LAST STATEMENT.

THANKS

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanif_Revert

I agree with this statement haowever, there are other misinterpreted books out there also.

Particularly one's written in a language that isnt even used anymore (Vedas)

And one that actually created it's own language (GGS)

Brother how many incidents u can provide about the misinterpretation of vedas? how many hindu religious leaders u can provide quoting some verse/hymes from vedas and exorting someone to kill in the name of BHAGVAN? how many hindu terrorists u can show to me who know about even few hymes of vedas? If u can, than plz come ahead, if u cant then how can u brand vedas as a misinterpretated book? Ya it can be termed as hard-to-understand book for sure.

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format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor

I thought hindus did?

No offence but it seems that this guy follows his own rules!!

Some of the richest countries in the world are Muslim countries.

But i agree there is huge corruption with even them.

We believe that the rich have a bigger test then the poor, because Allah will hold you accountable on how you distributed this wealth.

And as always.....

Allah knows best.

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

I ALREADY SAID BROTHER THAT WE ARE FREE TO SPECULATE, AS U GUYS ARE FREE TO CALL US KUFFAR AND PREDICT OUR DESTINY. I HOPE THIS MAKES UNDERSTAND. AGREED WITH UR LAST STATEMENT.

THANKS

Again it is not not up to us to make these judgements or 'Speculations' as you call them.

It is a sin to call someone a Kafir when you know not what belief they are upon.

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

Brother how many incidents u can provide about the misinterpretation of vedas? how many hindu religious leaders u can provide quoting some verse/hymes from vedas and exorting someone to kill in the name of BHAGVAN? how many hindu terrorists u can show to me who know about even few hymes of vedas? If u can, than plz come ahead, if u cant then how can u brand vedas as a misinterpretated book? Ya it can be termed as hard-to-understand book for sure.

Thanks

You are sitting here telling me that the book has no claim to reincarnation!!!!
Yet most Huindu's are upon this!!! and idol worshipping on top of that.

I agree that the Vedas originally calls to worship of one god and the Krishna's, etc. were all holy people, but that is another story.

We have already touched on the attrocoties that some Hindu's have done, but your right, its not in your your nature to fight or kill right?

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanif_Revert

No offence but it seems that this guy follows his own rules!!

Some of the richest countries in the world are Muslim countries.

But i agree there is huge corruption with even them.

We believe that the rich have a bigger test then the poor, because Allah will hold you accountable on how you distributed this wealth.

And as always.....

Allah knows best.

No question of any offence brother, U can say anything.

I think that U are talking about the charity/zakat issue. Plz eleborate further whats ur point.

ALLAH knows best, till now its ur only comment I m able to be agree with U.

thanks

format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane

how many hindu terrorists u can show to me who know about even few hymes of vedas? If u can, than plz come ahead, if u cant then how can u brand vedas as a misinterpretated book? Ya it can be termed as hard-to-understand book for sure.

Thanks

Look people in your religion creates temples for rats and the sun. Need I say anymore?

How misunderstood do you want to get?

http://www.freewebs.com/thomas/Rats-1.htm

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