And if we are involved, may Allah keep our hearts on the straight path and never let us, our loved ones, our friends and family, leave Islam.
PS: PrisonerofJoy = If a short, ugly, one-eyed dude with 'khafir' written on his forehead ever happens to come during your lifetime and claims to be a prophet or even God, then 1) you kno Islam was right and 2) stay as far away from him as possible. Just in case. ;-)
rofl... with Jesus I have faith that I won't be apart of the bad things that will happen in this world when Jesus comes back.. while your making judgements and saying that you hope you won't.. I can say I won't without worry... I love Jesus I will follow Him anywhere anyday... I won't pass judgements on because I am not God...
its not continuous tampering....they arent modifying whats already modified every translation comes from the original
so is Jesus a prophet? yes or no?
Ever since you joined the forum - we've been saying that jesus (peace be upon him) is a prophet sent from God, and so is every other messenger sent down by God, they are all servants of God who will be rewarded highly with paradise in the afterlife.
And they say: ‘The Beneficent has taken unto Himself a son.’
Assuredly you utter a hideous thing, whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins; That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son, when it does not behoove the Beneficent that He should choose a son. There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave.(Maryam, 19:88-93)
Lo! The likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said unto him: ‘Be!’ and he is. (Ali-Imran, 3:59)
Such was Jesus, (Peace be upon him) son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. It befits not Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He says unto it only: ‘Be!’ and it is. (Maryam, 19:34-35)
Like i said before, please read this article to understand the view of Jesus within Islam.
Jesus said--I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me
The way? What is Jesus the way to? Easy, Paradise!
The Truth? Yep, Jesus sure is the truth. So are all the prophets.
The Life??? I assume you mean Light.
The light? Damn staight Jesus is the light!! So was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), he was described as 'noor' (which means light, but it is a better word to use, since Jesus probably used it as well in aramaic).
No one comes to the Father except through me.
'Comes to the father', so, no one can reach God unless it is through obeying Jesus. Brother Muhammad posted some good quotes.
Now, let me ask you a question.
You have us Muslims admit Jesus never lied, and he always said the truth. Which all Muslims would agree with. Why is it then, that the best quote you could find from Jesus was 'vague' at best. There is no reliable, clear-cut and defined recording of Jesus saying 'I'm God'. You know that, we know that, it's fact.
Now you can argue its 'implied' in the Bible. Yet, this is not enough. Since I can bring you quotes from the Bible that SAY 'God is ONE' with 'no partners'.
It's a simple belief, that God is one. A belief that's in your heart. Listen to it bro, listen to what your heart and your brain tell you. Not your desires. Really really think about this. Please.
Isaiah 9:7Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
When did jesus ever do that? "and upon his kingdom, to order IT, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from HENCEFOTTH even for ever"
He does it now His kingdom is in Heaven it will never end no one will go hungry no will will cry... and I am glad I get to be apart of all His glory when He returns. [/QUOTE]
I put the word "HENCEFORTH" in captical exactly for this purpose. Henceforth meaning after this point, r u saying that heaven was unjust and unjudged before jesus? hmm...
I believe because I put my faith on Jesus Christ ( who was the son of God... yes Jesus was God but He wasn't alone God.. look at it like the name God it has three letters the first letter is G-- so the Father fills the first letter then the O- so the son fills the first letter and then the D- and God Holy Spirit fills it...
and when the new heavens and new earth comes Jesus Himself will reign with His people..
Beautiful example with the word "god" but u know that just as well as i do that it aids no one. Of course in other languages the word for god r not 3. For example in arabic its Al Illah
However, u brought up the point oF "son of god". R u telling me no one other than jesus is called son of god? Even using my little knowledge of bible, i can produces for u dozens of ppl who r called sons of god in the Bible. Indeed, David is called the only begotten son of God. Eprahim is said to be the FIRSTBORN, i believe. Indeed jesus says in matthew 5:9 that all peacemakers r children of god
My Heart bro ( sincerely ) tells me that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior... my brain follows after.
well, many r called saviour and lord in the bible. Again i can produce for u many verses if u so desire. The point is if he is GOD, and i personally believe that jesus never said "i am god"
[b] In islam we loooooooooooove jesus christ too. We believe in his miraculous birth, in his miracles (giving life, healing leaper/blind), in the fact that he was born off VIRGIN mary, in the fact he was messiah, in the fact that he was a MESSENGER of ALLAH, just like moses, adam, noah, Jacob etc. BUT WE DONT believe that jesus was god.
R u satisfied with my reply to ur last 3 verses regarding divinity of jesus? if so r there any more verses u would like to point out to me?
Jesus was Son of God the Father.. so yes I can see the respect Jesus had.. about... aigan open up your blinded eyes
Prisoner of Joy, I'm beginning to see a repeating pattern here: Danish responded to all your points and all you could do was call him blinded and simply restate the material that he had just debunked. I'm afraid you cannot continue discussions here if you don not respond to the points.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Christians tend to say that in Islam you have a dictatator and slave relationship with God whereas with Christianity gives you this phantasy father and son relationship with God so quickly a few notes to store on this would be
Servants of God
God calls Abraham my servant Gen 26:24
Moses the servant of God 1Ch 6:49 2Ch 24:9 Neh 10:29 Dan 9:11 Rev 15:3
David calls him self servant of God 1Sa 23:10
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, Tts 1:1
Matthew 12:18 Jesus is called servant !!!
Acts 4:27 - 30 Thy holy Servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint,..." now I noticed something strange about this in my new vesion of KJV they have replaced the word servant with child Gideons servant , the new english Bible servant , New international version servant , good news edition servant the greek word in the text here is ‘ pais’ which actually does mean a slave or an servant
The Quran says ‘The Messiah would never refuse to be a servant of God’ (Qur’an 172)
Indeed I am a servant of Allah (surah maryam)
include this hadith - in this
Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) had warned them from exaggeration, he said: “Do not exaggerate me, as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam. I am only a slave, so say 'the slave of Allah and Messenger of Allah” [Saheeh Bukharee]
By quoting "I and the Father are one" (Jn.10:30) Christians hope to establish the idea that Jesus and God are the same in essence, however this is not in the context that Jesus meant it, Jesus was simply saying that they are one in purpose and not essence.
If we look to the context we find that Jesus entered into Solomon’s temple, and the Jews surrounded him questioning him about his God given position as the Messiah, as they failed to see the signs due to their ignorance.
Jesus told them ‘I told you and you did not believe in me, whatever deeds I do is in the name of my father and those actions bear witness of me’, talking about the many miracles that God had bestowed him with. Jesus further stated that ‘ you don’t believe me because you are not my sheep (meaning followers, people), my sheep hear me… they follow me …nobody can take them out of my hand (misguide them) My father who gave them to me is greater than all and nobody is able to take them out of my fathers hand’ and in this purpose ‘ I and the father are one’ (John 10:23-30)
Jesus also uses this type of speech in other parts of the Bible such as (John 17 verses:11, 21 and 22)in which he says ‘And the glory which Thou hast given me, I have given to them (disciples); that they may be one, just as we are one.’ If we were to accept the Christians interpretation to (John 10:30) this would also have to include the disciples as part of the package besides the triune of the father, son and Holy Ghost, so we must conclude that Jesus meant one in purpose, and in mission, not one in essence as Jesus also says in (John 14:2 ‘the Father is greater than I.’
QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE
I and the father are one (John 10:30) in purpose not in essence
The context (John 10:23-30)
That they (the disciples) may be one as we are (John 17:11)
That they may be one in us (John 17:21)
That they may be one, even as we are one (John 17:22)
The father is greater than I (John 14:2
that is one of the characteristics of persons in the triune family is their selfless love for each other.
The Father gives all authority to the Son and holds up witness to Him, as Jesus does to Himself.--- John 8:18.
Yet the son claims nothing for Himself- He gives it( The Glory ) all to His Father.
One of the Keys is to figure out the mystery of the trinity is to look how each person of the trinity devotes themselves to each other in selfless love.
they always tend to be at each others disposal.
The Trinity was at work during the incarnation of Jesus Christ( The Son of the Most High ) while He was being concieved in the womb of Mary from the power of the H.S.--John 12:49-50 .
During His baptism Jesus Himself gained approval from His Father in the pressence of the H.S.--Luke 3:21-22.
My Heart bro ( sincerely ) tells me that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior... my brain follows after.
So does this mean that if you made a sin, you won't even repent to God, rather you will just say that Jesus saved you from it? and when he comes back that he will save you from all of your sins? What I don't understand is that, how can you commit a sin and depend on Jesus to save you from it? When it was your bad deed that you have committed.
that is one of the characteristics of persons in the triune family is their selfless love for each other.
ur own opinion Where was father and ghost when according to bible jesus got stripped, spat at, beaten, and even killed according to christianity.
Anyway, trinity looks like a family instead of god.
The Father gives all authority to the Son and holds up witness to Him, as Jesus does to Himself.--- John 8:18.
16And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Yes, God beareth witness of Jesus, jesus is a prophet, so thats only natural. Secondly, verse 17 says that a testimony of 2 r sufficient, hence jesus states that i bear witness to my self as well as of god.
Yet the son claims nothing for Himself- He gives it( The Glory ) all to His Father.
IF JESUS NEVER CLAIM ANYTHing for himself, then WHERE DO U GET THE IDEA THAT JESUS IS GOD? thank you, u just supported my point that jesus doesn't claim divinity
One of the Keys is to figure out the mystery of the trinity is to look how each person of the trinity devotes themselves to each other in selfless love.
they always tend to be at each others disposal.
Hmm...i wonder where Father was when jesus was crying "eli eli lama sabaktane", meaning "father father, why hast thou forsaken me". Or when geting beaten, stripped, mocked and rest by others
The Trinity was at work during the incarnation of Jesus Christ( The Son of the Most High ) while He was being concieved in the womb of Mary from the power of the H.S.--John 12:49-50 .
John 12:49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
how does that support trinity? Jesus was in womb of Mary, holy spirit was in Mary yet in dozen other ppl too. Father was in heaven.
Btw, That verse should show that jesus was a PROPHET OF GOD and NOT GOD
During His baptism Jesus Himself gained approval from His Father in the pressence of the H.S.--Luke 3:21-22.
i am being 100% honest when i say i dont understand the point of ur post and how that relates to divinty of jesus.
The Quran states that Jesus was a prophet and messenger for Allah just like any other prophet. Muslims also believe that Jesus will come back to earth to defeat the Dajjal (anti-christ)
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