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    Jesus is honored both in Islam and in Christainity. The difference is that in Christainity, his followers over exxaggerated him and considered him the "Son of God" and included him as the third member of the trinity, which Allah has rejected in the Quran. Whereas in Islam, he is still honored for his miracles and all but we believe that he is nothing more than the Apostle of Allah and one of the 5 mightiest messengers of the Creator. Another similarity is that we believe in his miraclious birth, which he had no father. The Christians substituted God as his father.


    And they (Jews, Christians and pagans) say: Allâh has begotten a son (children or offspring). [] Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience (in worship) to Him. Baqarah 2:116
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Saido
    Jesus is honored both in Islam and in Christainity. The difference is that in Christainity, his followers over exxaggerated him and considered him the "Son of God" and included him as the third member of the trinity, which Allah has rejected in the Quran. Whereas in Islam, he is still honored for his miracles and all but we believe that he is nothing more than the Apostle of Allah and one of the 5 mightiest messengers of the Creator. Another similarity is that we believe in his miraclious birth, which he had no father. The Christians substituted God as his father.


    And they (Jews, Christians and pagans) say: Allâh has begotten a son (children or offspring). [] Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience (in worship) to Him. Baqarah 2:116
    How come they don't see him as a Prophet when in THEIR bible is stated that Jesus is a Prophet?

    Taken from Matthew 21:10-11
    10) When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, "Who is this?"
    11) The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee
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    Re: Jesus in Islam vs. Jesus in Christianity

    Assalamu Alaikam Waramatuallah Wabarakatu.

    Wow, now we only need to find an exact description according to Christian belief and bam, I bet you $10 it would counteract with Jesus (SAW) being Allah's (SWT) son.

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    Definition: A man called of God to teach the people on earth his commandments. Written words of prophets are called scriptures.

    That was from About.com, and it had Christian references under it, so it is probably the Christian belief. I also checked Wikipedia and it basically said the same thing.

    If Jesus (SAW) was truely the son of Allah (SWT), I doubt he would be a man. Infact, when talking to Christians, their response to the "If Allah was human, and every human sins, then Allah has sinned" is "Well...you see...he just took on human form. He wasn't actually human" or something along those lines.
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    Jesus in Islam and is he god?


    We as muslims are very similar to christians with regards to jesus, we believe he was born of a virgin Mary, we believe in his miracle, we believe he was messiah, we believe he was a prophet of Allah.

    Our parting of ways starts when christians start calling him (literal) god, also no trinity in islam

    Well,i myself could not find a single verse after carefully reading bible a single verse where jesus EXPLICITLY,plainly says "i am god"...have i missed out a verse or can u plz give me a verse in bible where jesus himself says (EXACT words) that "i am god", whilst he was on earth?

    So it seems our parting of ways is not even supported by jesus
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    Re: Islam in Jesus and is he god?

    Aa

    I haven't read the whole bible or anything, but i've heard a few debates from ppl like Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat. Now these guys are true geniuses, and they've both said theres not a single statement where Jesus PBUH himself says in the bible anywhere he is god, son of god, or worship him. And these two scholars have been involved in debates with christians and they've always refuted and verses implying jesus claimed divinity. From what i inderstand, some verses may seem like Jesus PBUH is claiming divinity in the bible, but when you put the verse into context it's clear he's not ever claiming any divinity. You should listen to talks by Zakir Naik - "Similarities between islam And Christianity" And "Concept Of God"
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    Re: Islam in Jesus and is he god?

    Greetings and peace Danish,

    The way I would prefer to answer this question is to look beyond our differing interpretations of Jesus role in scriptures and look to what he inspires people to do and how he inspires them to act.

    I would like to search for way of furthering interfaith relations despite our differences.

    In the spirit of seeking peace on Earth

    Eric
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?

    Greetings and peace Eric H,

    I hope u r well today?

    The way I would prefer to answer this question is to look beyond our differing interpretations of Jesus role in scriptures and look to what he inspires people to do and how he inspires them to act.
    I agree with that, it is important to consider the fruits of teachings, which the religious bodies have taught us and if we r truly following them. I think, ppl of all religions need to exercise more of self-evaluation.

    with regards to Jesus (PHUB), as a muslim, we believe he was a mighty prophet of Allah and should be followed

    I would like to search for way of furthering interfaith relations despite our differences.
    Yep, the world needs more of this, ppl should NOT be bashed/harmed only due to their religion. In Quran Allah (SWT) says:
    109:1 Say: O unbelievers! 109:2 I do not serve that which you serve, 109:3 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve: 109:4 Nor am I going to serve that which you serve, 109:5 Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve: 109:6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

    So others are allowed to follow their own religion, further Quran says:
    60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just,

    so those who do not fight us we r as muslims obliged to treat them "kindly and justly". I know islam is in media nowadays alot, however, i can prove to u islam is a religion of peace
    Aa

    I haven't read the whole bible or anything, but i've heard a few debates from ppl like Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat. Now these guys are true geniuses, and they've both said theres not a single statement where Jesus PBUH himself says in the bible anywhere he is god,
    yep, alhamdulillah those guys r doing a great job...May Allah (SWT) bless them, and yes not a single verse where his exact quote reads "i am god"

    son of god, or worship him. And these two scholars have been involved in debates with christians and they've always refuted and verses implying jesus claimed divinity.
    well, jesus has said to be son of god in many places in bible. But god in bible has sons by dozen, i can elaborate on this should any chrsitian want me to...forexample read Matthew 5:9

    and no, there is no unauthoical/explicit statment where jesus said "i am god" in bible

    You should listen to talks by Zakir Naik - "Similarities between islam And Christianity" And "Concept Of God"
    yep, heard them....there r many others especially by Sheikh deedat
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?

    Salam aleikum!

    Regarding this discussion about the way christianity falsely says that Isa (Jesus) a.s. is the son of Allah i would like to say that........it's a long long story!

    About the question" were in the bible does Isa addresses himself as Gods son" one can apperently read that in Matheus evang. 4:6. But the thing is that all over the different evangelius many people are described as Gods sons and Jesus himself is described by other names like "the prophet", "the spokesman", "the master" and other things. The problem is that the bible keeps on changing from century to century. In a bible that is edited today youy will not find the same things that were written for 100 years ago, that shows how difficult it is to relate to it. But anyway if we take christianity story we can start understanding were the idea of Jesus as Gods son starts. About 100 years after Jesus death a jew called Joshua ( he was a powerfull man and he used to pursue Jesus followers) claimed he had a vision where he saw Jesus who asked him "why do you keep on following us?" in the same vision Jesus would have ordered him to go to the disbelivers". This man changed is name to paul ( don't confuse him with Jesus disciple Paulus) and in order to obtain power went to the greeks and start telling the story of this man Jesus and he started saying that Jesus was Gods son just like in their mythology.

    Another thing we can say about the claim that Isa a.s is Gods son is that 330 years a.c. Constantin from Constantinople called in 3000 priests for a big meeting, that meeting is called Nicai'aner, where he imposed upon all the other priests 4 doktrines: 1- that Jesus shold have Gods status, 2- the trinity (not the one from Matrix!) 3- Jesus died on the cross 4- there should only be 4 evangelius and all the others should be burn. As for the priests who chose not to come to this meeting they were burned alive.

    There is something that is called the Apocrypha wich are all the different evangelius from other Jesus disciples, especially one that is Barnabas evangelium, who are not mentionet in the bible some of them are not recognized by the vatican.

    I have this information from Khalid Yassins lecture " The Historical Jesus"

    Sorry for any mistakes!
    Assalam Aleikum
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    Re: Islam in Jesus and is he god?

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    Greetings and peace Danish,

    The way I would prefer to answer this question is to look beyond our differing interpretations of Jesus role in scriptures and look to what he inspires people to do and how he inspires them to act.

    I would like to search for way of furthering interfaith relations despite our differences.

    In the spirit of seeking peace on Earth

    Eric
    Hi Eric,

    Jesus is also so beloved to us muslims, like all of our prophets. We should all strive to follow there example to mankind.

    I wish that there were more people like you...maybe this is something we can all try working on...

    Im all for keeping peace on earth.
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    hellow i have just read brefliy through the questions and answers that were there and i woud like to just tell you what i have in my knowledg and belife .first of all i would like to say i am a covert to islam thanks ALLAH witch is one pruff for me and everyone els that ALLAH guides who ever he wills and all the peope in the world being guded with is butiful .so fist thing i notised was that you put some quotes from the blble saying that jesus is god or a part of god and that he died for us and so on i dont have to read it to know though cause well alote of people now what other religions belive .first of all i would like to tell you what i belive and what i belive is the esiest thing that could be .first of all i do not belive that of course or i would never have became muslim first of all i belive that there is only one GOD ALLAH and he isnt just muslims god he is everyones GOD even the prophet jesus (pbuh)i mean it makes so much sence to me of it easy think about it this way if ALLAH GOD create adam (alay salam)and he had no father let alone a mother dont you think he could create a person without a father we are talking about our creator the one who created the heavns and the earth and the animals the humans with no help at all he simoly said b and it was wouldent it be to easy for ALLAH GOD to create his prophet without both parents .Of course it was a sigh for the wourld and a test for the world and do you realy think that if jesus was the son of GOD that ALLAH would let somone kill him and to say that he died for our sins is wrong to because if he died for our sins than we would not even be talking about religion or let alone have a religon and we would have nothing to worrie about so i think that is totaly out of the pichtur and question and i would just like to say that the bible has been altered through the centuries to many times so the origianl is now no were to be found unfourtuetly it is sad but the origional bible it states the prophet jesus sais to his people there will be after me a prophet named ahmed with is meaning the last prophet mohammed (saw )may the peace and blessing of ALLAH be upon him.and of course there are many many profes in the quaran the prophet jesus him self regected what the people now say he even only worshiped the one and only GOD ALLAH and he worned his people of puting partners with GOD he forbided it and we in islam love the prophet jesus all of the prophets we follow all there teachings you no how we worship one god just like they all did we follow the prophet mohmmed pbuh his teachings and life style in islam he was the greatest man that ever lived and there is nothing bad that anyone could say about him that would be true it would only there selves in the end .trust me islam is very beutiful you are lucky to even hear about it ALLAH is giving you a chance and a sigh to come to islam take thos chance you never now when your time is done that is from my heart im not judging you or tring to make you mad this is what i feel and i care about you and what will hapen to you thats the buetiy in islam we care about everyone and we dont judg im sorry for any muslim that has given you a bad message but go to a local mosqu and you would have a million people willg to help you to understand more and be you r true freind i no like i said your heart will never be totaly satisfied until you have ALLAH with you in your life and islam and the truth in your heart well i hope you realy think deeply about this life is going by fast and everyone cares so good luck i hope you read all of this i hope it wasnt to long sorry look forward to your repliel may ALLAH guide you to the sraight path and put the truth in your heart and keep it in all of ours._______
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?

    salam aleikum
    Well i see that there has been a misunderstanding! never in my wildest imagination i meant to insinuate that Isa a.s. is the son of God! The indications i gave are from the bible and the bible is not the word of God! And as you have said it has been altered!!! But of course you are right islam is perfect and no one will ever be satisfied with life before they become muslims. Brother do u think u could quote the passages were u started understanding that i was saying that Isa is the son of Allah?
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?


    is there any CHRISTIAN in this forum AT ALL?
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?



    Of course there are christans here but there are very few.

    Now back to your topic to give an insight about what the Quran refers Jesus as.



    In Arabic, the word is masîh, which also means anointed. The Qur’ân refers to Jesus (peace eb upon him) as being the “Masîh” in a number of places. In Arabic, the word is masîh, which also means anointed. The Qur’ân refers to Jesus (peace be upon him) as being the “Masîh” in a number of places. Refer to, for instance, Sûrah Âl `Imrân verse 45 and Sûrah al-Nisâ’, verses 157, 171, and 172.

    The word masîh can be translated into English as Messiah or as Christ.
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?

    well Jesus did say He was God.. well the fact that Jesus did not have any sin. was one way of telling us He was God.. 1 peter 2:22... then Jesus went so far as to challenge his antagonist asking " can any of you prove me guilty of a sin? " (John8:46).
    in John 10:30-33--30I and the Father are one."

    31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

    33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

    john 20:28--27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

    28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------just thought I post that here...
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?


    here is something about jesus alayhisalaam

    Muslims do believe that Isa (A.S.) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa (A.S.), also known as Jesus by Christians and others, is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. Like Jesus (A.S.), Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also a Prophet and Messenger. Muhammed (P.B.U.H.) is the last Prophet, though, and there is none after him. Hence, Islam is the last religion, complete, with the Holy Qur'an as the unchanged and perfect word of God for over 1400 years, as God promised to preserve it till the last day for all of humankind, unlike sacred texts of other religions which have mulitple versions and are "revised" periodically. God, or Allah in Arabic, is Divine and Supreme Being and Creator.

    What the Holy Qur'an says about Jesus:

    They slew him not, nor did they crucify him but it was made dubious to them.
    (Holy Qur'an, Surah Nisaa, Verse 157)

    Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) himself told of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). In the Bible, Jesus (A.S.) says,

    If you love me, Keep my commandments. And I will pray to the Father and He shall give you another comforter that he may abide with you forever.
    (Bible, John 14-15/16)

    But when the comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the spirit of Truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me, and he also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
    (Bible, John 15-26/27)

    I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the spirit of Truth will come, he will guide you into all truth, for he shall speak not of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that he shall speak, and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me, for he shall receive of mine, and he shall show it unto you.
    (Bible, John 16-12/14)

    Ulema (learned scholars in Islam) have said that the person who is described by Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) to come after him - in the above verse - does not comply with any other person but Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).

    In this case, the "comforter" he mentions is none other than Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and his laws and way of life (Shariah) and Book (Holy Qur'an) are those that Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) asks his followers to abide by.

    The "person" whom Jesus (A.S.) prophecised will come after him, is called Pargaleeta in the Bible . This word was deleted by interpreters and translators and changed at times to "Spirit of Truth" and at other times, to "comforter" and sometimes "Holy Spirit." The original Greek and its meaning is "one whom people praise exceedingly." The sense of the word, then, is applicable to the word Muhammad in Arabic, since Muhammad means "the praised one."

    Jesus (A.S.) also says in the Bible,

    ... and a little while and you shall not see me; and again a little while, you shall see me because I go to the Father.
    (Bible, John 16:16)

    ... and the Holy Qur'an says,

    And surely they slew him not. But Allah (God) raised him unto Himself.
    (Holy Qur'an, Surah Nisaa, Verse 157-158)

    As such, Muslims believe that Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) was raised to heaven. According to Hadith, he is on the second heaven. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam=Peace be upon him) mentioned, "During the Meraj (Ascension), I met Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) on the second heaven. I found him of medium stature, reddish white. His body was so clean and clear, that it appeared as though he had just performed ghusal (ablution, cleansing of the entire body) and come." In another Hadith, Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) mentioned to the Jews that, " Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) is not dead, he will most surely return to you before Qiyamat (the Day of Judgement)."

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    yes but the counselor is the Holy Spirit... 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?

    28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
    this shows that Jesus peace be upon him had a god, and god doesn’t have a god.
    Jesus peace be upon him never said "i am god worship me"

    peace
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    after Thomas said that Jesus responded in commendation rather than condemnation

    "We as muslims dont believe that God is three, but we believe that God is only One on whom we rely, without any partners, He begot none (Has no children), nor was he begotten (wasn't Born), and none is like Him."

    well Begotten means unique ( no sin, PERFECT ).. God sent His only unique son
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    Re: Jesus in Islam and is he god?

    format_quote Originally Posted by PRISONERofJOY12 View Post
    "We as muslims dont believe that God is three, but we believe that God is only One on whom we rely, without any partners, He begot none (Has no children), nor was he begotten (wasn't Born), and none is like Him."

    well Begotten means unique ( no sin, PERFECT ).. God sent His only unique son

    nooo
    it means (of offspring) generated by procreation; "naturally begotten child"
    we dont belive god sent a son,
    god is not the father of jesus peace be upon him

    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

    [112.1] Say: He, Allah, is One.
    [112.2] Allah is He on Whom all depend.
    [112.3] He begets not, nor is He begotten.
    [112.4] And none is like Him.
    Jesus in Islam and is he god?

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