''PAINT'' art from your computers

ok i had a go at this lol

Mila, don't you know that the severest punishment on the Day of Judgment is of the picture-maker and that Allah will tell the picture-maker on the Day of Judgment to put soul in the picture of living thing that he/she made and since he/she will be unable to do it, so he/she will punished in Hell. Therefore, don't make pictures of living things like that butterfly you made.

yikes i was in such a hurry to finish it that i drew the first thing that comes to mind when thinking about flowers
thank you for reminding me sis may Allah (SWT) bless you
(I changed it)

format_quote Originally Posted by muhaba

Mila, don't you know that the severest punishment on the Day of Judgment is of the picture-maker and that Allah will tell the picture-maker on the Day of Judgment to put soul in the picture of living thing that he/she made and since he/she will be unable to do it, so he/she will punished in Hell. Therefore, don't make pictures of living things like that butterfly you made.

While I agree with that 99.999% at a minimum. I think it would be best that a person seek a ruling from a recognized scholar as to it's application regarding computer generated images. The reasons some scholars are trying to come to an agreement are:

1, If it is on the screen and not printed out there is no "real" image to touch or preserve.

2. There never is any actual images on a computer screen, what we see is an optical illusion produced by rapidly blinking microscopic dot of light. (Glowing phosphor atoms) at no point is there ever a complete image on the screen. The image is lines of lithted phoaspors and blinking I believe 60 times per second. At no time are more than one third of the lines glowing.

3. There are also other reasons, which I can not think of.

It is best to seek the advice of a scholar. I do agree that until there is a clear ruling explaining they are halal, it is best to assume (in this case) it is haram. It is quite clear we are not to make images of any living things.

But the question to be answered is if a computer image is an image. If we could perceive light changes in 60 changes per second we would not see an images on the screen, just randomly blinking dots. If you tried to takes a photograph of a computer image with a shutter speed faster than a 1/60 second shutter speed, you would not see an image on the photograph. We see the image because the fastest speed we can distinguish different illusions is about 12 per second. Anything faster we see as individual frames.

Before we as individuals make an opinion, lets us seek the advice of a knowledgeable scholar.

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

While I agree with that 99.999% at a minimum. I think it would be best that a person seek a ruling from a recognized scholar as to it's application regarding computer generated images. The reasons some scholars are trying to come to an agreement are:

1, If it is on the screen and not printed out there is no "real" image to touch or preserve.

2. There never is any actual images on a computer screen, what we see is an optical illusion produced by rapidly blinking microscopic dot of light. (Glowing phosphor atoms) at no point is there ever a complete image on the screen. The image is lines of lithted phoaspors and blinking I believe 60 times per second. At no time are more than one third of the lines glowing.

3. There are also other reasons, which I can not think of.

It is best to seek the advice of a scholar. I do agree that until there is a clear ruling explaining they are halal, it is best to assume (in this case) it is haram. It is quite clear we are not to make images of any living things.

But the question to be answered is if a computer image is an image. If we could perceive light changes in 60 changes per second we would not see an images on the screen, just randomly blinking dots. If you tried to takes a photograph of a computer image with a shutter speed faster than a 1/60 second shutter speed, you would not see an image on the photograph. We see the image because the fastest speed we can distinguish different illusions is about 12 per second. Anything faster we see as individual frames.

Before we as individuals make an opinion, lets us seek the advice of a knowledgeable scholar.

lets not be swayed by scholars who give advice that is against Quraan and Sunnah. We don't want to end up like the jews who accepted whatever their rabbis told them without caring what was written in the scripture.

here we're talking about art drawn by Paint program or Photoshop and not digital photographs, where some may argue that the process is natural, something to do with light being captured or whatever (i don't know what the process is) and the photo hasn't been printed out, etc. Here the photo has been drawn even if the movements were with a mouse. i think it's the same as making picture with pen. it doesn't matter whether you can preserve it or not, whether the picture is stored digitally using 0s and 1s, whether it is actually there or not. if it can be seen, then it is wrong to make it and Allah will ask why it was made.

The Prophet (SAW)'s hadith were for all times and he knew very well about digital picture making.

format_quote Originally Posted by muhaba

lets not be swayed by scholars who give advice that is against Quraan and Sunnah. We don't want to end up like the jews who accepted whatever their rabbis told them without caring what was written in the scripture.

here we're talking about art drawn by Paint program or Photoshop and not digital photographs, where some may argue that the process is natural, something to do with light being captured or whatever (i don't know what the process is) and the photo hasn't been printed out, etc. Here the photo has been drawn even if the movements were with a mouse. i think it's the same as making picture with pen. it doesn't matter whether you can preserve it or not, whether the picture is stored digitally using 0s and 1s, whether it is actually there or not. if it can be seen, then it is wrong to make it and Allah will ask why it was made.

The Prophet (SAW)'s hadith were for all times and he knew very well about digital picture making.

Good point and again I agree with you. Best evidence I have seen presented that would show that computer images are haram.

Jazakallahu Khayran for the input. I will use it to clarify my stand, the next time I delete a computer image of a living creature.

you're welcome brother. personally i don't like using smilies, either. although i read somewhere that being digital, they weren't haraam, but i don't agree with that. I stopped using them a few years ago.

format_quote Originally Posted by Amoeba

Where are these knowledgeable scholars? I can never find them.

Anyway I agree it's best just acted upon as if it's not allowed even if we don't know for certain, to say it technically not a picture on a computer screen sounds to me like a sneaky work-around that Allah would see right through.

Oh but do I miss drawing animals... *eye twitch* it was like my #1 favourite thing in the entire world to do. Now it's gone... all gone... *sob* I know it's wrong to grieve over doing something Allah likes. But if I could control my own feelings I'd snap my fingers and make myself not like drawing animals. Only Allah can change that though, and He has chosen not to, for one reason or another He wants me to still like it.

I can't draw anything on paint but I sometimes do stuff on photoshop because I use layers a lot.

This is my most recent.

Ameoba, that is a very beautiful, very realistic picture. you're very talented.
Is photoshop much better than Paint? I've never used it. I should learn it.