Another anniversary
To remember and mourn
Those that died on that day
When the planes crashed
In to the WTC and narrowly missed the Pentagon
A day when terrorism arrived in the USA
And the whole world changed
War on terror was launched
Invasion after invasion
Only halted due to dogged resistance
Iran and Syria survived
Temporarily
As the Neo-Con agenda
Fell apart
In the deserts of Iraq
And the valleys of Afghanistan
A Coalition was formed
To storm
And smoke out the enemy
Brits were there as always
Even though their public said “not in our name”
Much has been done
In the name of those 3000 that died
And more yet to come
All in the name of fighting and killing the new enemy
Al Qaeda and Political Islam
9/11
Became a justification
For almost anything
Many now wonder
Who planned and did it?
Conspiracy theories
Mistrust of the powers that be
Refusal to follow blindly and accept
Has been the result and Bushes legacy
Millions of dollars were destroyed on that day
But billions gained in oil revenues from Iraq
Accountants balance the figures
While American blood fills the rivers
It’s the white/black working class boys and girls
Who fight, are killed and wounded
While the Neo-Cons and businessmen sign new deals
And their kids spend daddies millions
Every anniversary treated like a marketing strategy
To unify and milk anger and grief
Raise another army
To go into the valley of death
Where the enemy awaits and fights in stealth
Over 4000 dead and 25 000 wounded
Americans of course
Iraqi dead in 6 figures
But they don’t matter
Even Saddam never killed this many
But many call him a tyrant and murderer
So how long will these wars continue?
Trillions wasted
As poverty and unemployment at home rises
Hurricane Katrina exposed the soft underbelly
America does not care for its own citizens
Overseas it’s not looking good either
Mujahideen getting stronger
Courage coming with the downing of every plane
Blowing up of every tank and soldier
America no longer the boulder
More like the pebble
To be crushed under the feet of these so called rebels
So what will you do
The American public?
Follow blindly
the leader who fails to inspire
or elect another to continue this butchery?
Whose policies will bring the chicken’s home to roost?
Or select a third brave option
Isolation and non- interference in Muslims affairs
Make your choice wisely
Because the enemy is prepared to fight and die bravely
But you already saw that on 9/11 2001.
Are you serious? Do you know the long term effects of atomic bombs? NO invasion can ever have a more worse effect then atomic bombs as a matter of fact. To think otherwise is just truly unbelievable...
Anyone who justifies those bombs are a disgrace to humanity.
and they act suprised as to why many ppl dont feel sympathetic or sad about 9-11 then they look in this ugly face at you saying how dare you!
they will never learn.
gut thankfully most americans dont think like this.
[edit] What would be more accurate is, if atomic bombs were used in 9/11, aslong as less casualties were made - it would have been a better move.
I hope this makes you sleep well at night:
Several factors make it difficult to estimate casualty numbers due to the bombings. The population prior to the bombings is unknown, because of formal and informal evacuations, and unknown numbers of forced laborers. Some victims were burned beyond recognition or their bodies disposed in mass cremations.[11] Records of military personnel were destroyed, and entire families perished, leaving nobody to report the casualties. According to most estimates, the bombing of Hiroshima killed approximately 70,000 people due to immediate effects of the blast. Estimates of total deaths by the end of 1945 range from 90,000 to 140,000, due to aftereffects such as burns and radiation. [12][13]. The United States Department of Energy (DOE) estimates that as many as 200,000 may have died from cancer and other long-term effects by 1950. The numbers for Nagasaki are consistently lower, because the terrain reduced the impact of the bomb. The DOE estimates 40,000 died at Nagasaki from immediate blast effects[14], whereas the official Japanese numbers are in the 75,000 range[15]. In both cities, the overwhelming majority of the deaths were civilians.[1][2][3]
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Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
Do you always lump together millions of people based on what one person says?
well the fact is keltoi and aaron are not the first westerners i have seen that have justified the atomic bombing. and secondly i have said it so many times on this forum that i dont believe they represent the majority. thirdly if you followed context you would have followed along and noticed that by they i meant the likes of aaron and keltoi who justify nukes on japan then act suprised when they get no sympathey for 9-11!
If you choose the bomb then none of your countrymen die.
If you choose to invade then expect over 100,000 of your countrymen to die.
Choose wisely...
zzz take your endless excuses and blabber elsewhere i have no time for your petty ways of trying to justify it, your really pathetic when it comes to attacks against you you all demand sympathy and no space for any buts and ifs but when you bring double the terror to others you try to justify it with all these silly assumptions and questions and bla bla bla and keep doing it because the more you do it, the less sympathy you get for 9-11 and the more fire you make for another 9-11. so plz dont expect and ask for sympathy in the future, you think its ok to drop two atom bombs? then you sure as hell have no right to nag about sep 11 no right whatsoever but being so pathetic you will now make excuses to say 9-11 was terrible and much different bla bla says who? says you because you are attacked? bin laden could easily bring all these silly stupid type riddles and questions you bring up to justify it so theres no difference.
either way dont expect no sympathy since you obviously justify terrorism
why cant you guys practice what you preach and condemn terrorism? sheesh all these lame excuses and justifications then you say muslims do it! your no different and you know it, face it your just filled with double standards and some arrogant superiority complex
If you choose the bomb then none of your countrymen die.
If you choose to invade then expect over 100,000 of your countrymen to die.
Choose wisely...
zzz take your endless excuses and blabber elsewhere i have no time for your petty ways of trying to justify it, your really pathetic when it comes to attacks against you you all demand sympathy and no space for any buts and ifs but when you bring double the terror to others you try to justify it with all these silly assumptions and questions and bla bla bla and keep doing it because the more you do it, the less sympathy you get for 9-11 and the more fire you make for another 9-11. so plz dont expect and ask for sympathy in the future, you think its ok to drop two atom bombs? then you sure as hell have no right to nag about sep 11 no right whatsoever but being so pathetic you will now make excuses to say 9-11 was terrible and much different bla bla says who? says you because you are attacked? bin laden could easily bring all these silly stupid type riddles and questions you bring up to justify it so theres no difference.
either way dont expect no sympathy since you obviously justify terrorism
All I asked is for you to choose how YOU would end WW2, then you condemned me.
Go ahead. Tell me what you would do if you were the one that would be blamed, no matter what you did. Japan (country the USA didn't even know that sided with Hitler) has vowed to destroy everything, they have a new weapon that drops bombs from balloons, their suicide bombers (Kamikaze) are killing your people, hurry up and decide how you are going to stop them!
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hmmmm..... 9/11 has disappeared by an atomic bomb!
right after 9/11, we had the sympathy of most of the world. now practically everybody hates this country.
9/11 has been tarnished by exploiting those deaths to cause more death.
i don't waste time on conspiracy theories.
but i also don't automatically believe everything my government tells me, either.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
I do think its every humans duty, that includes muslims -_-, that they should feel sympathy for the innocent people who died in 9/11. Islam is against killing of innocent lives period, our Prophet :saw:, even in War against enemies, would make sure no innocent casualties took place - even if they were against the Prophet :saw:, on the basis that they arn't fighting him.
Muslims shouldn't hate "Americans" or "jews", but maybe the governments and people of power. The only dislike I could have on them maybe that they are the ones who elect those people in power :S? But yep, hatred on nations is not Islamic or even politically correct.
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
hmmmm..... 9/11 has disappeared by an atomic bomb!
The two issues are often brought together in debates about 9/11. Hard to avoid it. I have seen this happen a lot. The two wars have striking similarities that are worth mentioning when the topic moves in that direction but dropping the bombs seems like the perfect way to coat the USA with mud, but there is a problem with that logic, especially since at the time the effects of it were unknown and Germany was working on it too. If they had succeeded then the Muslim world would have most likely been carpet-nuked by Hitler due to Arabs not being blond hair and blue eye Arian and only Christians were allowed in the new world he tried to make. That puts all of us in the same boat.
Now, what will The_Prince do about Japan? Their ruler decided to take Hitler's place and conquer the world with his ideology, which did not allow Muslims either. If the USA loses, the military country of Japan which was very good in science and technology would get to carpet-nuke the Arab world.
And I must add that it's all the same to me, no matter what they decide to do. With the kind of weaponry available at the time the numbers would have been the same either way. Only difference is how many of their own countrymen will die in Japan, and their chances of saving the Muslim world which had no defense at all against the technology they already had and were planning to build.
I hope they hurry up before it's too late to save us! :scared:
Whatever the debate about politics, lies and conspiracy theories, today is the 11th of September, and today my thoughts are especially with those who lost their loved ones six years ago.
Peace
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
Are you serious? Do you know the long term effects of atomic bombs? NO invasion can ever have a more worse effect then atomic bombs as a matter of fact. To think otherwise is just truly unbelievable...
Anyone who justifies those bombs are a disgrace to humanity, far worse then those who support the 9/11 instances.
Are you serious? Do you think being killed by a conventional bomb is any better than being killed by an atomic bomb? The invasion of Japan would have been brutal beyond belief, for both sides. I don't see anyone suggesting dropping an atomic bomb is a "good" thing. War isn't a good thing. To fully understand this debate, you have to understand the mindset and personality of the Japanese people, especially during the time of the emperors. The Japanese would have been honor bound to resist a land invasion almost literally to the last fighting capable man or woman. The bloodbath that would have resulted would have made the atomic blasts look like a blessing. It was a decision I'm thankful I never had to make.
In response to Glo, I absolutely agree. Regardless of one's political ideology, the 11th should be a time of remembrance for lives lost.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
right after 9/11, we had the sympathy of most of the world. now practically everybody hates this country.
Don't react to the vocal minority that makes the headlines and the usual war-time propaganda meant to divide us. Other governments in the area are also threatened and attacked by Al-Qaeda. Saudi Arabia has bombings that don't even make the news. The well educated leaders who understand what they represent, do not hate us. Even Iran's government is danger because no matter what Qaeda says, they aim to overthrow their government too.
During WW2 the same thing happened. There were many who hated the US involvement. Even had people in this country demanding all troops be brought back home, just like there are right now. Then after the war when people could speak truthfully about their involvement the propaganda was sifted from the facts, and the USA was proven to be a very brave hero. The people who thought they had it all figured out but were proven wrong ended up looking foolish. So it's just history repeating itself again. All of this has been done before. Even guys like Bin Laden are nothing new. It's a mental condition called "megalomania" where a person gets so drunk on power they think they have a divine right to rule the world. Saddam suffered from it too and tried to accomplish that through the Palestinians who he helped impoverish. He helped ruin the statehood they could have had by now when the US under president Bush offered to make that happen for them. But Saddam didn't want statehood for the Palestinians, he wanted to annex their territory then use them even more, which is why he was supporting terrorism there included his giving suicide bomber families $25,000 US dollars each for each child sacrificed. But the world fights back against that sort of thing. In time even the Palestinians will see what Saddam was doing to them.
Also, consider this. The average people of the US would not know a darn thing about the Muslim world if it were not for this war because we tend to be isolationists when things are going well. And Muslims would not really get a chance to know the US for what it really represents if it were left up to somewhat isolationist leaders. Very few on that side understand NATO (alliance of countries that share bases in case one is attacked) and the alliances that on a map looks like a giant empire. And we are in a Muslim forum, sharing ideas and interests, much of that in response to this war too. It has brought us together in a very unique way. We will argue and debate until we become friends. It happens to almost everyone caught in a conflict like this. So everyone here, in this very forum, has more power to bring peace to a very hostile world than they ever imagined. Not many associate this way, we are kinda rubbing elbows with what other think of as "the enemy" so were like way-cool to others in that respect. With a healthy attitude and respect for all, we can change everything for the better.
And look at the list of coalition forces in Iraq.
United States: 250,000 invasion--168,000 current (9/07)
United Kingdom: 45,000 invasion--5,500 current (5/07)
Poland: 194 invasion--2,500 peak--900 current (2/07)
Australia: 2,000 invasion--638 current (2/07)
South Korea: 3,600 peak – 1,200 current (5/07; deployed 5/03)
Romania: 730 peak – 405 current (5/07; deployed 7/03)
Georgia: 500 troops – 300 current (2/07)
El Salvador: 380 peak – 300 current (8/07; deployed 08/03)
Czech Republic: 300 peak--89 current (5/07)
Azerbaijan: 250 troops (2/07)
Denmark: 430 peak - 55 current (9/07, deployed 04/03)
Latvia: 136 peak--2 current (8/07; deployed 4/04)
Mongolia: 180 peak--100 current (2/07; deployed 8/03)
Albania: 120 troops (2/07)
Lithuania: 120 peak--53 current (2/07)
Armenia: 46 current (2/07; deployed 1/05)
Bosnia and Herzegovina: 36 troops (2/07; deployed 6/05)
Estonia: 35 current (2/07; deployed 6/05)
Macedonia: 33 troops (2/07; deployed 7/03)
Kazakhstan: 29 troops (2/07; deployed 9/03)
Moldova: 24 peak--12 current (2/07; deployed 9/03)
Bulgaria: 485 peak--155 current (2/07; deployed 5/03)
It's a giant when countries that are helping in other ways are included.
I know that it may look like everything is going bad. But there is a whole lot of things going on that are good most don't even see happening because it's not something that gets reported in the news or people really stop to think about. And what happened to all the "Death To America" rallies that were once in the news all the time? The warmongers who were trying to trigger a war that would get us to kill each other are not as proud as they once were, or are simply gone for good. It's our turn to decide the future, not theirs, and all we need, to be a big part of that miracle, is a warm heart, strong mind, and a keyboard that takes us to any place in the world that we want to go.
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^^ I hope the chains of horrors that have been justified by this fraudulent attempt to frame people to invade them saddens and horrifies you equally much! I don't think anyone needs a long list.. any more than they need the usual sophomoric commentary from the regulars..
How amusing that, 'hilarious' and 'conspiracy' is the best anyone has to offer as an explanation to the absurd, mind boggling events that took place and continue to take place!
Yeah that usama! and I am currently on Atlantis
Yes sister it does. If you read carefully I was not speaking of only the lives lost on 9/11 but also of the thousands who have died as the backlash spread throughout the world. Six years ago I sat and watched planes fly into buildings as a fed my 6 month old baby breakfast. I couldn't help but think that my sons life would never be the same. As I dropped him off at first grade this morning I had the same thought. The world will never be the same. There are parentless children wondering around lost with no one to guide them because of 9/11 and the war that followed. There is nothing to justify that. There is no magic that can make that better. Many think that all Americans want to justify wars and killing people with a simple "they did it to us first". Well I am not one of those Americans. There has to have been a better way. There just has to.
"The only thing neccesary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - E. Burke
"We have just enough religion to hate but not enough to love one another" -Jonathan Swift
ibn laden is actualy working for the C.I.A [center for intelligent aliens].He originated from a wealthy alien family in pluto, he was sent to earth to cause mass destruction and exterminate the human race inorder for the aliens to get our oil, because oil is their main staple food
enough of all these conspiracy theories. the truth is tht no one here is sure of the facts, just all speculations
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It happens to almost everyone caught in a conflict like this. So everyone here, in this very forum, has more power to bring peace to a very hostile world than they ever imagined. Not many associate this way, we are kinda rubbing elbows with what other think of as "the enemy" so were like way-cool to others in that respect. With a healthy attitude and respect for all, we can change everything for the better. 
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