Another anniversary
To remember and mourn
Those that died on that day
When the planes crashed
In to the WTC and narrowly missed the Pentagon
A day when terrorism arrived in the USA
And the whole world changed
War on terror was launched
Invasion after invasion
Only halted due to dogged resistance
Iran and Syria survived
Temporarily
As the Neo-Con agenda
Fell apart
In the deserts of Iraq
And the valleys of Afghanistan
A Coalition was formed
To storm
And smoke out the enemy
Brits were there as always
Even though their public said “not in our name”
Much has been done
In the name of those 3000 that died
And more yet to come
All in the name of fighting and killing the new enemy
Al Qaeda and Political Islam
9/11
Became a justification
For almost anything
Many now wonder
Who planned and did it?
Conspiracy theories
Mistrust of the powers that be
Refusal to follow blindly and accept
Has been the result and Bushes legacy
Millions of dollars were destroyed on that day
But billions gained in oil revenues from Iraq
Accountants balance the figures
While American blood fills the rivers
It’s the white/black working class boys and girls
Who fight, are killed and wounded
While the Neo-Cons and businessmen sign new deals
And their kids spend daddies millions
Every anniversary treated like a marketing strategy
To unify and milk anger and grief
Raise another army
To go into the valley of death
Where the enemy awaits and fights in stealth
Over 4000 dead and 25 000 wounded
Americans of course
Iraqi dead in 6 figures
But they don’t matter
Even Saddam never killed this many
But many call him a tyrant and murderer
So how long will these wars continue?
Trillions wasted
As poverty and unemployment at home rises
Hurricane Katrina exposed the soft underbelly
America does not care for its own citizens
Overseas it’s not looking good either
Mujahideen getting stronger
Courage coming with the downing of every plane
Blowing up of every tank and soldier
America no longer the boulder
More like the pebble
To be crushed under the feet of these so called rebels
So what will you do
The American public?
Follow blindly
the leader who fails to inspire
or elect another to continue this butchery?
Whose policies will bring the chicken’s home to roost?
Or select a third brave option
Isolation and non- interference in Muslims affairs
Make your choice wisely
Because the enemy is prepared to fight and die bravely
But you already saw that on 9/11 2001.
My friend was a student in Paris in 2001. After the 9/11 hapenned, most students were talking about this only. The frenchmen felt sorry to USA for the first 2,3 days. Then they started to accues Americans of their middle eastern politicy and blamed everything on american imperialism. While the students from Syria and Lebanon regretted that those planes managed to destroy only one building.
My friend was a student in Paris in 2001. After the 9/11 hapenned, most students were talking about this only. The frenchmen felt sorry to USA for the first 2,3 days. Then they started to accues Americans of their middle eastern politicy and blamed everything on american imperialism. While the students from Syria and Lebanon regretted that those planes managed to destroy only one building.
Is it wrong If i found this funny :S?
Fight in the way of God, against those who fight against you, drive them out of the places they have drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. Fight them, until persecution is no more, and Religion is for God. But if they stop, let there be no war.
My friend was a student in Paris in 2001. After the 9/11 hapenned, most students were talking about this only. The frenchmen felt sorry to USA for the first 2,3 days. Then they started to accues Americans of their middle eastern politicy and blamed everything on american imperialism. While the students from Syria and Lebanon regretted that those planes managed to destroy only one building.
well i dont know if your trying to imply that mid-east policy had nothing to do with it?
ex-CIA members and other goverment officials have admited that yes mid-east policy did restult in this attack, it doesnt make it right though, but the fact is foreign policy in mid-east is one main factor.
surely you wont say this attack came out of no where because they felt like attacking american 'democracy' which would indeed be a load of how do i say it? BS
bin laden, zawahiri, the hijackers themselves stated the reasons for attacking, and you wont find them ever saying we did it because you have a different culture and allow jerry springer. nay! rather you will see one of the main reasons is: MID-EAST POLICY! surely your not going to ignore your enemies reasons for attacking you now are you? but sadly fox news and bush has brainwashed ppl into believing anyone who dares attack the USA are simple crazy ppl who hate western culture, which is abit silly because what you do in a war is examine your enemies reasons for attacking.
and this doesnt mean the attacks are okay, but it is better if ppl at least wake up and look at the reasons instead of shouting NO NO THEYRE JUST CRAZY AND HATE OUR FREEDOM!!!! which as i said is BS and which bin laden and his fellow al-qaeda members never said was a reason!
Yes i know its all about politics. USA placed their troops in Saudi Arabia and supported Israel, so the penalty is to destroy a building in New York with innocent people. Spain had troops in Iraq , so mujaheedins decided that the best penalty is to put a bomb in train full of people (maybe majority of them were against the war even). England had troops in Iraq, so few misguised muslims decided to teach them what politicy they should follow and they detonated bombs in a busses full of people. But now think, does politicy of any country justify such terror attacks? And one thing more, does really the anniversary of that tragedy in New York must be a reason to bash America over and over.
as disgusting as americans who also said we should nuke the entire mid-east? or is that okay and just natural "anger' ??????
I dont know any American who said that the entire Middle East should be nuked, and even if i knew one, i wouldnt say that its funny. I would rather send him to a doc.
Yes i know its all about politics. USA placed their troops in Saudi Arabia and supported Israel, so the penalty is to destroy a building in New York with innocent people. Spain had troops in Iraq , so mujaheedins decided that the best penalty is to put a bomb in train full of people (maybe majority of them were against the war even). England had troops in Iraq, so few misguised muslims decided to teach them what politicy they should follow and they detonated bombs in a busses full of people. But now think, does politicy of any country justify such terror attacks? And one thing more, does really the anniversary of that tragedy in New York must be a reason to bash America over and over.
i aint bashing, notice i said it doesnt make it right! but the fact is whether right or wrong, there is a reason, and that is mid-east policy, as for you bringing up spain that has nothing to do with sep 11. see this is the problem with you, when we bring up real logical facts that sep 11 was a result of bad mid-east policy which is what the attackers said themselves, u then start bringing up 20 different issues, ah yesss spain, ahhhhhh yes bali, ahhhhhh yes etc etc.
this shows you have lost the plot and have blindly followed bush and fox news' whitewashing propaganda, they try to link all these events togethor when each one has its own context. for starters spain wasnt done by al-qaeda, it was done by a few crazy angry men, with no links to al-qaeda but interestingly had links to the spanish version of the fbi!
as for bali, it was again had nothing to do with al-qaeda but by indonesians who were disgusted by foreigners comming to their country and taking part in fornication, alcohol consumption and basically something alien to their society.....
so each event is DIFFERENT, you trying to connect them only makes things worst and makes us go further away from why 9-11 happened.
let us PLEASE STICK TO 9-11, we have the attackers reasons for why they did it, so let us go from there, okay we know why they did it........how do we stop another such 9-11 to happen...........
i aint bashing, notice i said it doesnt make it right! but the fact is whether right or wrong, there is a reason, and that is mid-east policy, as for you bringing up spain that has nothing to do with sep 11. see this is the problem with you, when we bring up real logical facts that sep 11 was a result of bad mid-east policy which is what the attackers said themselves, u then start bringing up 20 different issues, ah yesss spain, ahhhhhh yes bali, ahhhhhh yes etc etc.
this shows you have lost the plot and have blindly followed bush and fox news' whitewashing propaganda, they try to link all these events togethor when each one has its own context. for starters spain wasnt done by al-qaeda, it was done by a few crazy angry men, with no links to al-qaeda but interestingly had links to the spanish version of the fbi!
as for bali, it was again had nothing to do with al-qaeda but by indonesians who were disgusted by foreigners comming to their country and taking part in fornication, alcohol consumption and basically something alien to their society.....
so each event is DIFFERENT, you trying to connect them only makes things worst and makes us go further away from why 9-11 happened.
let us PLEASE STICK TO 9-11, we have the attackers reasons for why they did it, so let us go from there, okay we know why they did it........how do we stop another such 9-11 to happen...........
Prince i didnt mention Bali in my posts. . Well, i can agree with you. You speak quite reasonable. And i mentioned Spain and London, not in relation with 9/11 but to show you that not only americans were punished for their mideast politicy. And about that Bali, Prince, just think what would happen if suddenly europeans began to murder all those who came to Europe with things alien to OUR society. Ok ok i know that you dont justify them, but in some issues its no use to trying understand the motives.
Prince i didnt mention Bali in my posts. . Well, i can agree with you. You speak quite reasonable. And i mentioned Spain and London, not in relation with 9/11 but to show you that not only americans were punished for their mideast politicy. And about that Bali, Prince, just think what would happen if suddenly europeans began to murder all those who came to Europe with things alien to OUR society. Ok ok i know that you dont justify them, but in some issues its no use to trying understand the motives.
i know you didnt mention bali, but it will come up later, first spain, then bali, then etc etc.
as for the bali guy, yes that is crazy, and the guy was crazy because he is a living contradiction, the aussies may have been doing things which were alien to his culture, but his reaction was even more alien to indonesian culture than what the aussies were doing!!!!!!!!!!
yes some issues dont need to go understand their motive, as for 9-11 we need to understand it because 9-11 is unique and stands on its own compared to the rest, and many mistakes have occured because of bad reaction to 9-11, like bush's plan on how to stop more 9-11's actually will make more 9-11's! once we finally understand why it happened we can then properly counter it, but when we counter it using the wrong methods and ways this only leads to more problems and mis-understandings which will not stop it all.
as they say to beat your enemy you must know your enemy, but today if we ever examine or study bin laden or his reasons ppl will label you as a traitor, terror sympathizer, etc etc which is all false, examining your enemy and seeing their reasons does not mean endorsement! it is called being logical!
and again this doesnt mean 9-11 was okay and right because of their reasons!
let us PLEASE STICK TO 9-11, we have the attackers reasons for why they did it, so let us go from there, okay we know why they did it........how do we stop another such 9-11 to happen...........
Well, follwing this thinking, there will be always people who wont like american politics. Muslims, Chinese, Russians, French. I can guess that your proposition is to leave Israel alone by USA. But if we assume that Israel is surrounded by 300 millions hostile Arabs, it will lead to destruction of that state. Palestinians are supported by 1,5 billion muslims, so its fair that Israel has just one but big supporter, isnt it?
There is an Arabic proverb that says "she accused me of having her malady, then snuck away." Besides, terrorism can be commendable and it can be reprehensible. Terrifying an innocent person and terrorizing him is objectionable and unjust, also unjustly terrorizing people is not right.
Whereas, terrorizing oppressors and criminals and thieves and robbers is necessary for the safety of people and for the protection of their property. There is no doubt in this. Every state and every civilization and culture has to resort to terrorism under certain circumstances for the purpose of abolishing tyranny and corruption. Every country in the world has its own security system and its own security forces, its own police and its own army. They are all designed to terrorize whoever even contemplates to attack that country or its citizens
Well, follwing this thinking, there will be always people who wont like american politics. Muslims, Chinese, Russians, French. I can guess that your proposition is to leave Israel alone by USA. But if we assume that Israel is surrounded by 300 millions hostile Arabs, it will lead to destruction of that state. Palestinians are supported by 1,5 billion muslims, so its fair that Israel has just one but big supporter, isnt it?
well see aaron israel has nothing to do with the USA, and this is the problem which you summed up very well. say arabs one day invaded and destroyed israel, this would not in any way hurt america or americans. and this is the problem with US goverment they put their noses in business that just isnt theirs! many americans themselves say lets not meddle in others business and affairs!
whats ironic is that america giving so much protection and money to israel is causing more problems and defense worries for the USA!
well see aaron israel has nothing to do with the USA, and this is the problem which you summed up very well. say arabs one day invaded and destroyed israel, this would not in any way hurt america or americans. and this is the problem with US goverment they put their noses in business that just isnt theirs! many americans themselves say lets not meddle in others business and affairs!
whats ironic is that america giving so much protection and money to israel is causing more problems and defense worries for the USA!
I wonder if the US took your attitude in WWII if you would be speaking German?
I dont know any American who said that the entire Middle East should be nuked, and even if i knew one, i wouldnt say that its funny. I would rather send him to a doc.
several hours after the tragedy happened I went chatting online on mirc #newyork.
There was one guy keep saying "Nuke Mecca! Nuke Mecca!"... but most of the chatters were asking for people in new york, how did they feel. There were several Muslims too, saying that Islam has nothing to do with this. During that time, nobody knew who did that so some people made speculations that it was done by Japanese (because of Kamikaze style) or Chinese.
I wonder if the US took your attitude in WWII if you would be speaking German?
I spent some time studying why people would follow the Nazis. One thing that is obvious from Hitler's speeches, that sound more like church sermons, is that he was a Christian megalomaniac spreading his twisted ideology worldwide. Bin Laden is trying to do the same thing.
Since Muslims are non-Christian, and certainly not Aryans, they would have had to be gassed then incinerated in a concentration camp. No Muslims who are here would have been born because their parents would have followed the Jews to their death. This forum would not even exist if the US did nothing.
Last edited by Science101; 09-10-2007 at 02:23 AM.
I spent some time studying why people would follow the Nazis. One thing that is obvious from Hitler's speeches, that sound more like church sermons, is that he was a Christian megalomaniac spreading his twisted ideology worldwide. Bin Laden is trying to do the same thing.
Since Muslims are non-Christian, and certainly not Aryans, they would have had to be gassed then incinerated in a concentration camp. No Muslims who are here would have been born because their parents would have followed the Jews to their death. This forum would not even exist if the US did nothing.
hitler and ibn laden have nothing in common, u might have been decieved by the media trying to paint him as a monster or a crazy extremist which is far from the truth
heres a statement from ibn laden
The leaders in America and in other countries as well have fallen victim to Jewish Zionist blackmail. They have mobilized their people against Islam and against Muslims. These are portrayed in such a manner as to drive people to rally against them. The truth is that the whole Muslim world is the victim of international terrorism, engineered by America at the United Nations. We are a nation whose sacred symbols have been looted and whose wealth and resources have been plundered. It is normal for us to react against the forces that invade our land and occupy it ...
does that sound like something hitler will say? i guess not
the u.s has succeeded in linkig a group of unrelated activities and also assigning of characteristics at random to individuals in order to justify their actions or reasons for carrying out these actions.
when the u.s presdent viewed the latest tape from ibn laden, all he kept emphasising was that iraq was mentioned many times in the video, so in order to combat and defeat al qaida, iraq has to be left as a combat zone to exterminate the 'terrorists'. that was very unintelligent, he cudnt see beyond the iraq issue and aknowledge the real motive of the tape. most media also edited the version of the tape they aired to suit their own intentions and make a point that was not part of the intentions of the speaker
making iraq seem so important just because it was mentioned quite a number of times in the video is like saying the subject of this my post is 'was' simply because i made use of the word quite a number of times.
I wonder if the US took your attitude in WWII if you would be speaking German?
are you comparing arabs with nazis? oh my my, are you saying arabs as bad as nazis which is why usa supports israel? hmmmmmmmm if arabs are like nazis then why does usa send 20 billion to saudia, 10 billion to egypt etc etc etc........so your analogy fails very badly.
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. Well, i can agree with you. You speak quite reasonable. And i mentioned Spain and London, not in relation with 9/11 but to show you that not only americans were punished for their mideast politicy. And about that Bali, Prince, just think what would happen if suddenly europeans began to murder all those who came to Europe with things alien to OUR society. Ok ok i know that you dont justify them, but in some issues its no use to trying understand the motives.
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