I am surprised at how ignorant the message in this post is. Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God, but have different beliefs about Him. They are all the Abrahamic religions. Christians believe that "He came unto his own", Muslims don't, but there is only one God so how could you believe that you believe in a different god?
I have no idea what came into 'his own means' is that a euphemism to hide the self-immolating mangod fiasco?
Who ever preaches the Word of God by force is in the minority and is sinning. I don't know how you came up with 'many of you'. And I don't know what you mean by every imaginable warfare. That is something involving the American government and sheepish British government, it has nothing to do with Christians. The governments are also protecting those women who are having acid thrown in their face for receiving higher education.
God does love the Jews, Hindus and Zoroastrians. He doesn't only love those who can return the favour. If He only loves those who love Him, then why did He persist when the Israelites kept turning to idols and sacrificing their cihldren in pagan traditions?
So your god does love hitler and you can look forward to hovering around in a christian heaven right along with him? do I understand correctly?
The reason why there are different interpretations is because some people ignore Sacred Tradition, removed a lot from the Bible, adjusted it and don't take into account cultural aspects. Regardless, of this, the message of Christ remains the same. We still have the original Bible however and the churches are slowly being reunited, so please don't accuse it of contradictions.
What exactly is that message of christ?
And I'm sorry to say to make your argument meaningless, but the American government has nothing to do with Christianity.
actually Christianity is meaningless and you only serve to tighten the noose around your neck every time you spew that christian drivel!
Half of what I wrote wasn't to do with this thread
if half of what you are writing has nothing to do with the thread then don't write it-- simple ey? use the old noodle..
all the best
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God doesn't love the evil doers (that has nothing to do with repentance) I'd be weary of a carte blanche god but what does one expect from a self-immolating god except perhaps to also kowtow to those who cause corruption upon the earth..
one often wonders how christians live with themselves, aside from the patent lunacy of those bible belters, and we are not soon to forget scenes as such
clearly harassing young children them know that there is evil in them and they are going to hell if they don't believe in a self-immolating mangod who couldn't even save himself, but in every day actions toward other nations, let's not forget their equally petty attempts in impoverished nations where they are the cause of poverty and misery, but simply in their smarmy hypocritical approach right here on board.. truly they represent themselves wherever they go in the same sickening style, and then have the temerity to speak of 'love' well go love yourself as clearly the term denotes something entirely different in your vocabulary .. I believe abu gharib love sums it up.. sick and sadistic!
all the best
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what is the christian definition of love? Is a sinner loved as much as the person who does not sin?
In Islam one of the Gods 99 names is Al wadud meaning the Most loving. There is no higher love then the one who is Most loving
Yes the sinner is loved just as much. The word used for love in the New Testament is 'agape'. If someone has agape for another, they are giving them love which is undeserved. They will go out of their way to give the other what is best for them. God demonstrates agape by providing us sinners with prophets, allowing to pray, repent etc... He allows us to enter heaven even after sining against Him and we believe that God is constantly trying to call back those who are astray.
The human concept of love while the most powerful of human emotions is insignificant in comparison of the attributes of Allaah(swt)
I agree.
There seems to be a lot of anamosity between people here about Gods love, to make things really simple Allah loves all of His creation. But this is not on a personal level you must understand, it would be like a person saying "I love the sea" even though the sea can be full of sharks and really ugly fish.
"Love your enemies" has so many meanings, but I believe Jesus (PBUH) meant this on a political level. The Jews were very inward looking and phobic of other cultures and considered all non Jews as the enemy. He was trying to get them to rise above this small minded tribalism.
This is a good reply. It is a bit like Agape, Eros and Philia. I agree that Jesus was teaching the Jews to rise aboce small minded tribalism, but by 'love your enemies', I don't believe He meant to go out of our way and to go near those who are dangerous, but to want what is best for them. For example, if someone tried to kill me and later asked for forgiveness, I would be required to forgive them, but that doesn't mean I should put myself in danger again and keep intouch with them. I would also be required to prosecute them in the hopes that they will change their ways. Likewise, God will forgive that criminal if they repent and intend to change, but they are still required to atone for their sin.
I have no idea what came into 'his own means' is that a euphemism to hide the self-immolating mangod fiasco?
'his own' is us. And yes, but not in the offensive way that you phrased it.
How come that govt. can't protect women having acid on their face right at home?
I believe that the article answers your question: "an unknown woman jumped out from hiding behind a carport near Valarde's parking space, at the Vista Grove apartments near Southern Avenue and Val Vista Drive, threw acid in her face and on her chest, then ran away."
So your god does love hitler and you can look forward to hovering around in a christian heaven right along with him? do I understand correctly?
'Your god'. Are there two? And yes, I do believe that He loves Hitler, but I have no right to judge his soul- only God does. Hitler probably had mental problems, which could have affected his moral reasoning, or maybe he repented at death and is now being purified in Purgatory (I won't describe Purgatory in this post) or he may have rejected God's mercy and been sent to hell.
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What exactly is that message of christ?
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If you want to know this from a Catholic perspective, you would need to read the Bible and then read the Catechism as there is too much to write.
actually Christianity is meaningless and you only serve to tighten the noose around your neck every time you spew that christian drivel!
That was a funny statement to make. Do you like others to be aware of your religious intolerance?
if half of what you are writing has nothing to do with the thread then don't write it-- simple ey? use the old noodle.
Half of what I wrote wasn't to do with this thread because half of what is being said is insults about Christianity.
one often wonders how christians live with themselves, aside from the patent lunacy of those bible belters, and we are not soon to forget scenes as such
That man was creepy. But saying that all Christians are like that is like me saying that all Muslims support terrorism. Do understand what reasoning you have just used?
Yes the sinner is loved just as much. The word used for love in the New Testament is 'agape'. If someone has agape for another, they are giving them love which is undeserved. They will go out of their way to give the other what is best for them. God demonstrates agape by providing us sinners with prophets, allowing to pray, repent etc... He allows us to enter heaven even after sining against Him and we believe that God is constantly trying to call back those who are astray.
Do you believe everyone will go to heaven, that is if god loves everyone?
He it is Who sends blessings on you, as do His angels, that He may bring you out from the depths of Darkness into Light: and He is Full of Mercy to the Believers. [Quran {33:43}] www.QuranicAudio.com www.Quran.com
We believe that prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) came to preach the same message that Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) had preached before him, and not to alter or abolish it. All the Prophets (peace be upon them) preached the same message that God had sent them to preach; to worship ONE God. The message didn't suddenly change when it came to Jesus (peace be upon him), with a three in one god.
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To clarify, I will try to summarise it for you: (Old Covenant)Because the Israelites were commanded to sacrifice one of their animals (preferably a first born, male Lamb) to attone for their sins, Jews are waiting for an opportunity to rebuild their temple so that they may do this once again. (New Covenant) Christians would be doing this also if we didn't believe that Christ is The Lamb of the New Covenant- the perfect and everlasting sacrifice.
I know this is not the topic of the thread, but as this is the Discover Islam section, I will just take this opportunity to put forward the Muslim's viewpoint regarding what you have written re: the Christian concept of God's sacrifice.
In Islam we do not believe in the concept of original sin. We believe that all babies are born pure, innocent and free of sins, and are untainted by the burden of sins it is impossible for them to have committed.
God has no sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, or other relatives. God has no need to make sacrifices, and the idea that He did, is denigrating to His Power, suggesting that He couldn't do something or prove something without making a sacrifice, as well as this particular sacrifice ascribing the hugest injustice to Him with regards to all of humankind's sins being burdened onto one person. And we do not believe that any part of God did, or will ever, die. For He is Eternal, Immortal.
Peace.
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Stunningly beautiful adhaan from the Dome of the Rock in Masjid ul Aqsa Download (right click and choose "save target/link as").
This is a clear message for mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is only One God, and that those of understanding may take heed (14:52)
Indeed Allah knows, and you know not (16: 74, part)
Yes the sinner is loved just as much. The word used for love in the New Testament is 'agape'. If someone has agape for another, they are giving them love which is undeserved. They will go out of their way to give the other what is best for them. God demonstrates agape by providing us sinners with prophets, allowing to pray, repent etc... He allows us to enter heaven even after sining against Him and we believe that God is constantly trying to call back those who are astray
Isnt this God's mercy rather then "love" that he sends prophets and accepts peoples repentences and lets people in heaven?
The prophet Muhammad pbuh is known in Islam to be a mercy to all of humanity as God sent him as the last prophet to guide humanity after it went astray.
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Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Yes the sinner is loved just as much. The word used for love in the New Testament is 'agape'. If someone has agape for another, they are giving them love which is undeserved. They will go out of their way to give the other what is best for them. God demonstrates agape by providing us sinners with prophets, allowing to pray, repent etc... He allows us to enter heaven even after sining against Him and we believe that God is constantly trying to call back those who are astray.
I see Love as being an erroneous translation for the Greek Agape. Agape is much more in tune with what God is doing, showing unearned mercy for all people even those who have earned his hate.
The English word Love is much closer to being the Greek Eros.
Perhaps this discussion would not be taking place if the English translations simply stuck with the word agape and realized it has no counterpart in English.
let's put it in the simplest terms, if the christian god loved everybody then there should be no hell.. what is the point of having god's love yet incurring his eternal wrath? hilarious no? how do they reconcile that?
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let's put it in the simplest terms, if the christian god loved everybody then there should be no hell.. what is the point of having god's love yet incurring his eternal wrath? hilarious no? how do they reconcile that?
Interesting thread. I agree that if it was all love why would there be a hell. Hell isn't really the same as punishing your children, I mean it's suffering beyond human imagination... and to be there an eternity? Come on. As for Hitler having a mental illness; what about all those who followed him? Whatever you believe, love, hate, apathy; there has to be justice.
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how do they reconcile anything in Christianity?...by doing mental acrobatics until you are so confused...you give up understanding it.....I don't "get it"---why are Christians so fixated on this "unconditional love" bussiness anyway?
'his own' is us. And yes, but not in the offensive way that you phrased it.
his own is us? that definition is even better than what you have started off with!
I believe that the article answers your question: "an unknown woman jumped out from hiding behind a carport near Valarde's parking space, at the Vista Grove apartments near Southern Avenue and Val Vista Drive, threw acid in her face and on her chest, then ran away."
Actually it doesn't, they are hyper vigilant at carpet bombing entire villages and stripping people naked overseas to capture one elusive man, that they haven't caught yet, who keeps producing tapes around the clock, and by the same token they could do that here, carpet bomb streets to capture one crazy woman on the loose.. or what you don't agree with that philosophy? Do you think that is crazy? 'cause that is what your folks call 'casualties of war'
'Your god'. Are there two? And yes, I do believe that He loves Hitler, but I have no right to judge his soul- only God does. Hitler probably had mental problems, which could have affected his moral reasoning, or maybe he repented at death and is now being purified in Purgatory (I won't describe Purgatory in this post) or he may have rejected God's mercy and been sent to hell.
in fact I believe there are three! except when one god died and then you were left with two..
sure hitler was mentally ill-- that probably excuses him and hey jesus loves him!
so if he rejected the mercy of the god that he loves everyone regardless he'll go to hell? doesn't seem like a very loving god? or again, do you have a different definition for love that entails eternal dam nation
If you want to know this from a Catholic perspective, you would need to read the Bible and then read the Catechism as there is too much to write.
In fact I have spent my youth in a catholic school, I am well aware of your masses, your services and your beliefs, I was wondering if you could sum it up in something a bit more sensical than love that ends up with folks eternally in the abyss!
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That was a funny statement to make. Do you like others to be aware of your religious intolerance?
Do you find questions about your absurd assertions intolerant?
Half of what I wrote wasn't to do with this thread because half of what is being said is insults about Christianity.
In totality what I have written is an expose of Christianity
That man was creepy. But saying that all Christians are like that is like me saying that all Muslims support terrorism. Do understand what reasoning you have just used?
It doesn't bother me one bit if you view all Muslims as terrorists.. that is a definition your govt. concocted to separate Quran from Sunnah and shelf Islam as some sort of weekend relic, much akin to Christianity, but such will never be the case, because Islam is preserved by God and not the creation of idle men who were visited by a dead god with a message that contradicts his earlier scriptures!
all the best
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how do they reconcile anything in Christianity?...by doing mental acrobatics until you are so confused...you give up understanding it.....I don't "get it"---why are Christians so fixated on this "unconditional love" bussiness anyway?
They have to.
"unconditional love" is a by product of "jesus died to absolve human sins"
Even if their own scripture does not support the idea.
even if they contradict each other that makes your head spinning.
While "jesus died to absolve human sins" is itself a by product of the 3-in-1 god concept.
You can thank Paul and his story (on the way to damascus) for that.
They have to.
"unconditional love" is a by product of "jesus died to absolve human sins"
Even if their own scripture does not support the idea.
even if they contradict each other that makes your head spinning.
While "jesus died to absolve human sins" is itself a by product of the 3-in-1 god concept.
You can thank Paul and his story (on the way to damascus) for that.
I suppose that's what happens when one tries to justify one wrong belief by piling on excuses that are equally unreasonable....(not to mention---"beyond belief"......)
I'm sorry, Vale's. I won't call you sweetheart. I never knew that word was offensive, but I guess it is in Muslim culture, and it's not really surprising. I only brought up that other stuff because I was trying to be as random as you. "Christians are starting wars against Muslim countries", which is absolutely not true. You've been brain washed in the worst way. Not only that but it has ZERO to do with this topic. God IS NOT human. He does have negative humanly emotions. You can punish someone (send them to hell) and still love them. We both worship the God of Abraham. That whole "Christian evolved from Paganism" is a pretty weak arguement as well. Supposedly the virgin birth was taken from Paganism, so if that mean we stole that from Paganism, that mean Y'ALL got it from US.
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I'm sorry, Vale's. I won't call you sweetheart.
It is unacceptable to be openly obnoxious, I am not sure how many western counterparts are OK with that either, but we don't value vulgarity even if your women do!
I never knew that word was offensive, but I guess it is in Muslim culture, and it's not really surprising.
You learn something new every day, hope this one sticks with you!
I only brought up that other stuff because I was trying to be as random as you. "Christians are starting wars against Muslim countries", which is absolutely not true. You've been brain washed in the worst way. Not only that but it has ZERO to do with this topic.
lol a mangod worshiper telling others of brainwashing? .. that is fresh, and thanks for the hearty chuckle!
God IS NOT human. He does have negative humanly emotions.
So Jesus wasn't god do I understand you correctly? because Jesus was human and according to you a human who died after a night in prayers to himself failed to avail him!
You can punish someone (send them to hell) and still love them.
lol.. so if someone burns you alive right now and keeps replacing your skin over and over so you feel the pain and (for eternity) while professing love for you, you'd be OK with it? Christians really are a hilarious bunch a hypocritical bunch as well but hilarious mostly!
You can keep that brand of love to yourself!
We both worship the God of Abraham.
No, you worship a man named Jesus!
That whole "Christian evolved from Paganism" is a pretty weak arguement as well.
It is actually not, everything about your religion is paganistic, from the celebrations to the attributes you assign to him!
Supposedly the virgin birth was taken from Paganism, so if that mean we stole that from Paganism, that mean Y'ALL got it from US.
work on your syntax -- your grammar seem to degenerate along with your ideology (if that is at all possible)!
all the best!
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format_quote Originally Posted by FollowerOfChrist
God is not like humans. He is not capable of hating anyone.
In the Qur'an, Allaah (swt) constantly speaks about the struggle between truth and falsehood (often likened to the difference between light and darkness) and the separation between believers and disbelievers. They have distinguishing characertistics in this world, and in the Hereafter the separation shall become even more apparent on the Day of Judgement and of course through Heaven and Hell.
When such a contrast exists between these two groups, how can it be possible for God to treat everyone the same? How can it be claimed that God should love everyone the same? Such a notion is illogical, would be unjust and defies the whole purpose for which mankind was created. In another thread, the concept of going to extremes in love has already been discussed and you may find it helpful to read some of the replies there: http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...ml#post1354241
Below I have provided the interpretation of the meanings of many verses in the Qur'an, in the hope of showing how God makes a clear distinction between believers and disbelievers, truth and falsehood, those things He loves and those things He hates. Allaah (swt) sets forth many examples and truly makes one think.
And say: "The truth has now come [to light], and falsehood has withered away: for, behold, all falsehood is bound to wither away!"[Qur'an 17:81]
Not equal are the dwellers of the Fire and the dwellers of the Paradise. It is the dwellers of Paradise that will be successful.[Qur'an 59: 20]
Is then he who is a believer like him who is a Fasiq (disbeliever and disobedient to Allah)? Not equal are they. As for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, for them are Gardens (Paradise) as an entertainment for what they used to do. And as for those who are Fasiqun (disbelievers and disobedient to Allah), their abode will be the Fire, every time they wish to get away therefrom, they will be put back thereto, and it will be said to them: "Taste you the torment of the Fire which you used to deny." [Qur'an 32: 18-20]
Or do those who earn evil deeds think that We shall hold them equal with those who believe and do righteous good deeds, in their present life and after their death? Worst is the judgement that they make.[Qur'an 45: 21]
Those who disbelieve will be addressed (at the time of entering the Fire): "Allah's aversion was greater towards you (in the worldly life when you used to reject the Faith) than your aversion towards one another (now in the Fire of Hell, as you are now enemies to one another), when you were called to the Faith but you used to refuse."[Qur'an 40: 10]
If you disbelieve, then verily, Allah is not in need of you; He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you...[Qur'an 39: 7]
Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not?"It is only men of understanding who will remember (i.e. get a lesson from Allah's Signs and Verses). [Qur'an 39: 9]
Is, then, one against whom the Word of punishment is justified (equal to the one who avoids evil)? Will you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) rescue him who is in the Fire?[Qur'an 39: 19]
Is he whose breast Allah has opened to Islam, so that he is in light from His Lord (as he who is a non-Muslim)? So woe to those whose hearts are hardened against remembrance of Allah! They are in plain error![Qur'an 39: 22]
Is he then, who will confront with his face the awful torment on the Day of Resurrection (as he who enters peacefully in Paradise)? And it will be said to the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers): "Taste what you used to earn!"[Qur'an 39: 24]
Is he who was dead and We gave him life and set for him a light (of belief) whereby he can walk amongst men -- like him who is in the (depths of) darkness from which he can never come out?(Qur'an 6:122) The parable of the two parties is as that of the blind and the deaf and the seer and the hearer. Are they equal when compared?Will you not then take heed?(Qur'an 11:24)
Those who disbelieve, theirs will be a severe torment; and those who believe and do righteous good deeds, theirs will be forgiveness and a great reward. Is he, then, to whom the evil of his deeds is made fair-seeming, so that he considers it as good (equal to one who is rightly guided)? Verily, Allah sends astray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills. So destroy not yourself in sorrow for them. Truly, Allah is the All-Knower of what they do! [35: 7-8]
But those who disbelieve (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism), for them is destruction, and (Allah) will make their deeds vain. That is because they hate that which Allah has sent down (this Qur'an and Islamic laws, etc.); so He has made their deeds fruitless. Have they not travelled through the earth, and seen what was the end of those before them? Allah destroyed them completely, and a similar (fate awaits) the disbelievers. That is because Allah is the Maula (Lord, Master, Helper, Protector, etc.) of those who believe, and the disbelievers have no Maula (lord, master, helper, protector, etc.). Certainly Allah will admit those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds, to Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise); while those who disbelieve enjoy themselves and eat as cattle eat; and the Fire will be their abode. And many a town, stronger than your town (Makkah) (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) which has driven you out We have destroyed. And there was none to help them. Is he who is on a clear proof from his Lord, like those for whom their evil deeds that they do are beautified for them, while they follow their own lusts (evil desires)?[Qur'an 47: 8-14]
Allah is the Wali (Protector or Guardian) of those who believe. He brings them out from darkness into light. But as for those who disbelieve, their Auliya (supporters and helpers) are Taghut [false deities and false leaders], they bring them out from light into darkness. Those are the dwellers of the Fire, and they will abide therein forever. [Qur'an 2: 257]
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allah guides not the people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers). They are those whose recompense is that on them (rests) the Curse of Allah, of the angels, and of all mankind. They will abide therein (Hell). Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed (for a while). Except for those who repent after that and do righteous deeds. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.[Qur'an 3: 85-89]
And Allah likes not the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).[Qur'an 3: 140]
And spend [freely] in God's cause, and let not your own hands throw you into destruction; and persevere in doing good: behold, God loves the doers of good. [Qur'an 2: 195]
...For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.[Qur'an 2: 222]
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. [2: 190]
When he turns his back, His aim everywhere is to spread mischief through the earth and destroy crops and cattle. But Allah loveth not mischief. [Qur'an 2: 205]
Allah will deprive usury of all blessing, but will give increase for deeds of charity: For He loveth not creatures ungrateful and wicked.[2: 276]
Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger.: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith.[3: 32]
"As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."[Qur'an 3: 57]
Nay.- Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright,-verily Allah loves those who act aright. [3: 76]
Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for Allah loves those who do good;- [3: 134]
How many of the prophets fought (in Allah's way), and with them (fought) Large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's way, nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And Allah Loves those who are firm and steadfast.[3: 146]
And Allah gave them a reward in this world, and the excellent reward of the Hereafter. For Allah Loveth those who do good.[3 :148]
Contend not on behalf of such as betray their own souls; for Allah loveth not one given to perfidy and crime:[4: 107]
O ye who believe! make not unlawful the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you, but commit no excess: for Allah loveth not those given to excess.[5: 87]
Call on your Lord with humility and in private: for Allah loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds.[7: 55]
If you fear treachery from any people throw back (their covenant) to them (so as to be) on equal terms (that there will be no more covenant between you and them). Certainly Allah likes not the treacherous.[8: 58]
(But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.[9: 4]
O Children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer: eat and drink: But waste not by excess, for Allah loveth not the wasters.[7: 31]
Verily Allah will defend (from ill) those who believe: verily, Allah loveth not any that is a traitor to faith, or show ingratitude. [22: 38]
That He may reward those who believe and work righteous deeds, out of his Bounty. For He loves not those who reject Faith.[30: 45]
"And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for Allah loveth not any arrogant boaster. [31: 18]
Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. [60: 8]
Not alike are the blind (disbelievers in Islamic Monotheism) and the seeing (believers in Islamic Monotheism). Nor are (alike) darkness (disbelief) and light (Belief in Islamic Monotheism). Nor are (alike) the shade and the sun's heat. Nor are (alike) the living (i.e. the believers) and the dead (i.e. the disbelievers). Verily, Allah makes whom He wills to hear, but you cannot make hear those who are in graves. [35: 19-22]
Some commentary on the last group of verses quoted:
Not alike are the blind (disbelievers in Islamic Monotheism) and the seeing (believers in Islamic Monotheism). Nor are (alike) darkness (disbelief) and light (Belief in Islamic Monotheism). Nor are (alike) the shade and the sun's heat. Nor are (alike) the living (i.e. the believers) and the dead (i.e. the disbelievers). Verily, Allah makes whom He wills to hear, but you cannot make hear those who are in graves.
[35: 19-22]
Allah says that these antonyms are clearly not equal, the blind and the seeing are not equal, there is a difference and a huge gap between them. Darkness and light are not equal, neither are shade and the sun's heat. By the same token, the living and the dead are not equal. This is the parable Allah makes of the believers who are the living, and the disbelievers who are the dead. This is like the Ayat:
Is he who was dead and We gave him life and set for him a light (of belief) whereby he can walk amongst men -- like him who is in the (depths of) darkness from which he can never come out? (6:122),
The parable of the two parties is as that of the blind and the deaf and the seer and the hearer. Are they equal when compared?Will you not then take heed? (11:24)
The believer sees and hears, and walks in the light upon a straight path in this world and the Hereafter, until he comes to settle in Gardens (Paradise) wherein is shade and springs. The disbeliever is blind and deaf, walking in darkness from which he cannot escape, he is lost in his misguidance in this world and the Hereafter, until he ends up in fierce hot wind and boiling water, and shadow of black smoke, neither cool nor good.
format_quote Originally Posted by FollowerOfChrist
I was kinda wondering this.
Allah said, ﴿إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يُحِبُّ مَن كَانَ مُخْتَالاً فَخُوراً﴾
(Verily, Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful.) meaning, one who is proud and arrogant, insolent and boasts to others. He thinks that he is better than other people, thus thinking high of himself, even though he is insignificant to Allah and hated by people. Mujahid said that Allah's statement, ﴿إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يُحِبُّ مَن كَانَ مُخْتَالاً فَخُوراً﴾
(Verily, Allah does not like such as are proud) means arrogant, while, ﴿فَخُوراً﴾
(boastful) means boasting about what he has, while he does not thank Allah. This Ayah indicates that such a person boasts with people about the bounty that Allah has given him, but he is actually ungrateful to Allah for this bounty. Ibn Jarir recorded that `Abdullah bin Waqid Abu Raja' Al-Harawi said, "You will find that those who are mean are also proud and boasting. He then recited, ﴿وَمَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ﴾
(and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess,) You will find that he who is undutiful (to parents) is also arrogant, and deprived. He then recited, ﴿وَبَرّاً بِوَالِدَتِى وَلَمْ يَجْعَلْنِى جَبَّاراً شَقِيّاً ﴾
(And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, deprived.) Once a man asked the Prophet, "O Messenger of Allah, advise me.' The Prophet said, «إيَّاكَ وَإِسْبَالَ الْإِزَارِ، فَإِنَّ إِسْبَالَ الْإِزَارِ مِنَ الْمَخِيلَةِ، وَإِنَّ اللهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمَخِيلَة»
(Avoid lengthening the dress (below the ankles), for this practice is from arrogance. Verily, Allah does not like arrogance.)'' ﴿الَّذِينَ يَبْخَلُونَ وَيَأْمُرُونَ النَّاسَ بِالْبُخْلِ وَيَكْتُمُونَ مَآ ءَاتَـهُمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَـفِرِينَ عَذَاباً مُّهِيناً - وَالَّذِينَ يُنْفِقُونَ أَمْوَلَهُمْ رِئَـآءَ النَّاسِ وَلاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ وَمَن يَكُنِ الشَّيْطَـنُ لَهُ قَرِيناً فَسَآءَ قِرِيناً - وَمَاذَا عَلَيْهِمْ لَوْ ءَامَنُواْ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ وَأَنفَقُواْ مِمَّا رَزَقَهُمُ اللَّهُ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِهِم عَلِيماً ﴾
(37. Those who are stingy and encourage people to be stingy and hide what Allah has bestowed upon them of His bounties. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a disgraceful torment.) (38. And (also) those who spend of their wealth to be seen of men, and believe not in Allah and the Last Day, and whoever takes Shaytan as an intimate; then what a dreadful intimate he has!) (39. And what loss have they if they had believed in Allah and in the Last Day, and they spend out of what Allah has given them for sustenamce And Allah is Ever All-Knower of them.)
Allaah does not love everyone,such as the hypocrites,sinners and such more,he has stated this in many verses.
format_quote Originally Posted by FollowerOfChrist
That whole "Christian evolved from Paganism" is a pretty weak arguement as well. Supposedly the virgin birth was taken from Paganism, so if that mean we stole that from Paganism, that mean Y'ALL got it from US.
It is the idea of God having a son that is taken from paganism.
We believe in One God, other than Whom there is none worthy of worship.
He has no sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, cousins, grandparents or any other relatives.
He does not beget, nor is He begotten
He is not composed of any number of persons, godheads or essences.
He is Eternal, Immortal, indivisible.
He sent messengers and scriptures to guide & warn mankind. We believe in all of those messengers (including Jesus peace be upon him) and the scriptures He gave them.
We neither deny or reject Jesus (peace be upon him) like the Jews, nor exaggerate his status to something it wasn't, i.e. divine, like the Christians. We accept him, believe in him, love him and respect as he was - a Messenger of Allah.
So while you consider your religion to be connected to paganism, please note, Islam has nothing to do with paganism, in fact it is the polar opposite. No sons, no 3-in-1s. Just ONE.
Peace.
Last edited by Insaanah; 09-26-2010 at 04:28 PM.
Reason: added hyphen to word 3 in 1
Stunningly beautiful adhaan from the Dome of the Rock in Masjid ul Aqsa Download (right click and choose "save target/link as").
This is a clear message for mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is only One God, and that those of understanding may take heed (14:52)
Indeed Allah knows, and you know not (16: 74, part)
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