I have a lot of questions about Islam. Firstly, I believe that homosexuals are not evil or bad or sinful. I want them to have rights just like everyone else. I know this goes against Islam, but my opinion won't change. Would I not be able to be Muslim if I disagree with one of the teachings? I'm not gay, but I would still support my loved ones who are gay.
Second, would I ever have to sacrifice an animal? haha, sorry if this is a dumb one. But someone told me that I might have to.
I'll just start with these ones
Thanks in advanced for any feedback. I hope my questions don't seem offensive or rude. I'm truly just curious.
Have a nice day!
Firstly, I believe that homosexuals are not evil or bad or sinful.
Peace be upon you,
homosexuals themselves are not evil or sinful, only the actions are. A Muslim can be homosexual but by being patient and having faith and trust in Allah he or she will be able to resist his or her desires because that's what it means to submit to Allah (i.e. be a Muslim, as is the meaning of the word). In Islam, bearing a hardship like this brings one so much closer to Allah and a reward that is better than anyone can ever imagine.
And I don't think you have to sacrifice an animal if you absolutely don't want to.
hi ther mate, whatever i say plz do not take offence ok? plz dont....it may seem like it but i apologize if i come across harsh
1) you cant disagree with anything in islam, that that dosnt mean u kill gays, treat them harsh etc. u accept that its wrong and u try persuade them that what their doin is sickening. i mean come on....god created male and female...for us to get to close to them (in marriage of course), not man on man....come on now...gays tend to struggle in life...ppl dissing them, obv thers not many gays compared to staright ppl, and sex....why have sex with a man in his back passage (again i kno its disgustin but forgive me, im just tellin it how it is), and what happends if a gay couple would want children? unlikely they will have any but if they do...child upbringing will be tough
but in simple if u disagree with something...i think its due to lack of knowledge...look more into this religiously and non religiously. but if u do disagree with something in islam...u are in risk but i dont know how big of a risk
2) you dont have to.....cant really expand on this to be honest...knowledge limited im afraid
nope your questions werent rude and so you werent offensive..
Firstly, Islaam is a complete way of life, and so Allaah he created us so that we may worship him, also he told us he created a male and female-in pairs.. Worship consists of many ways such as obeying his commands, one is to stay away from evil and do but only good..
If one is harming oneself then one is adviced to keep away from danger and Islaam tells us which way we take if we want good and stay from bad if we want good..
You are standing at a pathway intending to cross the road to get to the other side, you cannot go untill the pathway ahead is clear i.e. cars passing by, so you wait for the road to clear to get to other side of the road safely.. Allaah your creator and mine only wants you to be safe thats why he prevents all dangers even that which leads to the biggest danger, so one is safe..
Your first Q..one of the reasons Homosexuality is against Islaam is because its against the nature of human to be that way..you are going against your natural way and being someone your not, in other words you are going against your own human nature. There is a saying that goes like 'God created Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve'..
To your second Q as far as I am aware I am not going to post up my opinion on what I think but rather from someone who has knowlede in regards to this issue insha'Allaah
I hope i made sense and i hope someone can reply to you with a much better reply insha'Allaah
.. peace ..
"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]
Regarding the other topic, you do not have to sacrifice an animal in Islam. It's not mandatory at all. When we do sacrifice Animals, we distribute the meat to the poor.
Animal sacrifice in Islam is not about 'flesh and blood', it is not an offerings and therefore is not `a draconic nor paganic practice.
It is about charity, one's willingness to part with his precious possession (or to pay for it), it is about direct distribution of meat to the needy and the love one.
It is not compulsory but encouraged for those who has the mean.The meat could be given away wholly or retain some for own consumption..
I have a lot of questions about Islam. Firstly, I believe that homosexuals are not evil or bad or sinful. I want them to have rights just like everyone else. I know this goes against Islam, but my opinion won't change. Would I not be able to be Muslim if I disagree with one of the teachings? I'm not gay, but I would still support my loved ones who are gay.
In a nutshell: people who have homosexual feelings are not sinful, but people who practice homsexuality acts are. It's the same with heterosexual people: when a guy is attracted to a woman, is not sinful, but when the have extramarital relations, that is sinful. And marriage can only between man and woman.
You can still be a muslim, and Insha Allah you will learn more about many emotive subjects that turn out about not so emotive after all. I am guessing that you are a westerner and you have been brought up in western norms which eschew religion aspects and rules, so it ingrained in you many subjects which are brainwashed by a godless society. If you don't think homosexual acts is wrong, then you may also think extramarital affairs is not wrong either.
Islam in essentially peace, and submission to God, so we must believe in everything that God tell us and command us.
Starrynight, I feel the same as you. I am not gay, and I have a neice and nephew that are both gay. I would never turn my back on them. And my good friend is a gay guy. I understand what the others are saying, but I have to say this, I believe that God created each and every person gay or straight and I believe that a gay person is born gay and everyone is unique in their own way. I will not change my views on gay people. I accept them for who they are and the way God made them.
Its acting on those homosexual feelings that is not ok.
''Let the days do as they please,
And be optimistic when destiny decrees,
Do not despair due to the events of nights past
For the events of this world were not meant to last.”
Regarding the first issue, any and every homosexual act is forbidden in Islam. Such acts are considered sinful and we can't argue otherwise because it is explicitly mentioned in Quran. Denying these acts as being sinful is not being true to what we claim to follow.
A Muslim person who has homosexual desires has to curb them and not give in to them in order to avoid doing sinful homosexual acts.
Having such desires whilst acknowledging them to be wrong and striving to avoid them is not wrong nor sinful in and of itself.
Fornication is a sin, even between heterosexual men/women, which means even a straight person who can't get married must curb his sexual desires. Just like how a person with homosexual urges must do in Islam, in order to avoid sin.
Last edited by Alpha Dude; 07-01-2011 at 10:08 PM.
I have a lot of questions about Islam. Firstly, I believe that homosexuals are not evil or bad or sinful. I want them to have rights just like everyone else. I know this goes against Islam, but my opinion won't change. Would I not be able to be Muslim if I disagree with one of the teachings? I'm not gay, but I would still support my loved ones who are gay.
Second, would I ever have to sacrifice an animal? haha, sorry if this is a dumb one. But someone told me that I might have to.
I'll just start with these ones
Thanks in advanced for any feedback. I hope my questions don't seem offensive or rude. I'm truly just curious.
Have a nice day!
Well, I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on that. A few days after I asked this question I felt very frustrated and upset because I felt I could not be Muslim if I disagreed strongly with one of its standpoints. I spoke to two Muslims I know and although they tried to calm me, I still felt restless. That day, I decided to give up on Islam. That day I also came across a book in the library and for some reason decided to check it out even though I'd chosen to turn my back on the religion. Inside this book on Islam (written by Muslims) the argument about Homosexuality was presented. I saw the usual arguments, but then I saw an argument by an Imam that thought Homosexuality was not what Muslims have interpreted it as. In his research, he had concluded it was not a sin to have a homosexual relationship with someone you had pledged yourself to.
Anyways, I won't go into that here because I do not wish to argue. I'd gladly share with others like myself who felt very stuck on this topic. I don't want anyone turning away from Islam like I almost did because of the majority opinion.
God gave my a heart to feel right and wrong and I will use it. If after I die God says I was wrong on this topic, well. I guess God and I will have a very interesting conversation.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." --Martin Luther King Jr.
Well, I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on that. A few days after I asked this question I felt very frustrated and upset because I felt I could not be Muslim if I disagreed strongly with one of its standpoints. I spoke to two Muslims I know and although they tried to calm me, I still felt restless. That day, I decided to give up on Islam. That day I also came across a book in the library and for some reason decided to check it out even though I'd chosen to turn my back on the religion. Inside this book on Islam (written by Muslims) the argument about Homosexuality was presented. I saw the usual arguments, but then I saw an argument by an Imam that thought Homosexuality was not what Muslims have interpreted it as. In his research, he had concluded it was not a sin to have a homosexual relationship with someone you had pledged yourself to.
Anyways, I won't go into that here because I do not wish to argue. I'd gladly share with others like myself who felt very stuck on this topic. I don't want anyone turning away from Islam like I almost did because of the majority opinion.
God gave my a heart to feel right and wrong and I will use it. If after I die God says I was wrong on this topic, well. I guess God and I will have a very interesting conversation.
Could you tell me who this imam is? What are his credentials? Im guessing that he is a 'modernist' (or a seculariser if you want to be blunt about it).
I apolojize before hand for being blunt but this seems like one of those discussions where one has to be.
Everyone who says he is an imam isn't one.
Everyone who says he is a muslim , isn't either unless he practises islam with sincere intentions, we offcorse are free to believe whatever we wish. But that does not mean that all our wishes will/should be granted, and we are free from accountability.
Just because some people say they ARE homosexual, doesn't mean they were created as one, Just as a person who thinks that they are the most beautiful or ugly person in the world, doesn't mean they are.
If homosexuality was indeed natural, all female gays wont have uteruses to produce children and all gay men wont have sperms, sorry but thats basic biology for you. Women who insist on being gay should remove their ovaries and female reproductive organs if they mock and dis-honor the nature so much that they were created with, and NEVER utilize the option to be artificially inseminated, because hey! they're born gay, and born gay means you cant have sexual intercourse with a man or even use artificial methods to impregnate yourself with a male sperm! Same for gay men, they should sterile themselves because they were not born to impregnate females, why dis-honor the nature you were born with? Thats absolutely ridiculous of homosexuals.
Its almost like one insisting that we eat from the nose because thats a hole too right? so as long as I like eating from the nose, thats my right and no-one should have the ability to pint out that you might just be abusing your natural organs for some weird fantasy of yours.
No-one is born gay, I encourage you to read human biology for that. It is the most sense-less, base-less assertion of modern times, which is funded by satanist to pay to scientists to write articles in support of homosexuality. And the most intelligent argument homosexuals have in their favor is that animals in the lowest order of species ( like insects) do it too? they mean , like those insects who are born biologically hermaphrodite? with both male and female sex organs? What rubbish. Boils my blood.
Actually, there is a lot of support that being gay IS biological. Of course, this is a disputed area of science.
Anyways, as I've said on another forum regarding homosexuality, I will never agree that it is wrong. You will never agree that it is right. So I will not waste time arguing it. We can both simply live our lives in peace and leave the judgment up to God.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." --Martin Luther King Jr.
I agree, it is no use discussing when a person has already made up their mind about it...i'd just have one more thing to say, although I'm not specifically addressing it to one person, just a point of view, maybe someone might agree with it.
If anyone thinks that Allah (swt) is the Most kindest of all , and that, His kindness and mercy extends the perception of Human minds, Do some humans feel/think , that by feeling sympathetic towards homosexuality, the sympathy and kindness they feel inside their hearts surpasses that of the Creator? just a simple question.
If they feel that way then I don't really think they've attempted to understand what God is all about. If a person at any time feels that " I will be kinder to these people and I don't care if God is kind to them, might have more to do with feelings of disillusion than anything else, because God actually is kinder to his creations than anyone else, and although Islam does not condone slander/hurtful treatment making fun of them or calling them names, it does stress on calling a spade a spade, and it does stress on trying to atleast condemn in our hearts what is wrong and trying to make it right in the best manner possible.
It is a huge disillusionment for a man to think that he is capable of loving anything, anyone, more than the Creator loves his creation, and Allah swt Loves his creation 70 times more than our own mothers, Human love is conditional to likeness/appearance, attraction compatibility and choice, But Allah's love is the Only Love that is unconditional, and equal for all creation, it is the creation who choose who reject it, and it is they who choose to consider the Creator's love insignificant as compared to a person's love and make choices in life that are not only extremely un-natural, but baseless and based on grave error.
Reminds me of the discussion on another forum, where people were insisting that incest (astaghfirullah) should be legalized. If this is the moral picture of love, of a society, it would be no shock that they demand to make love to animals too in the near future, to honor their feelings of respect and love to them, because oh well animals can do everything and what we do, is out of pure love,so 'let this Love spread' : P Let immorality spread, cuz Immorality wont stop at homosexuality, It has to stoop lower, and I can bet there'd be scientists who'd soon come up with examples of human and animal love with supporting sick strawman, pretending to sound all educated and knowledgeable, more so than the creator.
If homosexuality was a biological truth, Allah swt would not only allow it, he would have no issue , No reason of severely condemning it.
If people think they have more mercy in their hearts and more knowledge in their grasp than the Creator, they are way too deluded with their sense of reality and humanity, and they should snap out of it soon.
I can prove it to you that human biology does not support homosexuality at any cost, at any given time, but people who don't understand the classification of species or haven't read biology are very easily duped by neo athiest scientists trying to support one lame sexual behavior or the other, I wont be shocked with their newer theories. But I understand that your issue could be deeper than biology, it could be related to kindness, compassion ,sympathy, freedom of choice and mercy.
And that concept can only be understood when one goes into the depth of understanding. Of corse on the face of it, it is an act that you understand as permissible because it doesn't bother you personally at all, but does not mean that people who are undergoing it are not disturbed and are pretty fine with it too.
Most homosexuals go through disturbed lives before they choose to tilt towards their own gender to look for approval, love and confirmation of their self, and most of them are missing the genuine love of their both parents and in most cases one parent. All the gay women that I have come across have had none or abusive/alcoholic control freak mothers that they didn't get along with, and longed for a motherly female companionship and felt attracted to any mature attractive polite woman who was nice to them, and they mistake that strong longing for motherly love as sexual love( thanks to their society and the indoctrination by their media who label same sex platonic attraction as compulsory sexual).
Same for boys, most homosexual boys have had very disturbing pasts, some even been sexually abused by a male member of the family, and they cannot get out of it from there on, the list of deficiencies in their lives is beyond HUGE. And don't question me on it, I'm in the health field, I get this everyday.
True that some of them are the nicest people around, but what is wrong is wrong and you are not helping them truly by letting them go the wrong way.( not you, just addressing anyone) If one wishes well for the homosexuals, the best they can do is by inviting them towards cure, healing and out of the satanic spell of fantasy. And by praying for them too.
I came across this report in US that almost 1 in 6 person is involved in incest, If people think homosexuality for the sake of love is fine, how do they support immorality if a father and daughter or a son and a mother are sexually involved? Most people were totally against it, the only people not against it, were homosexuals, because they feel all kinds of sexual relations are allowed because if you feel like it, you feel like it and its real. There is no sense of morality, shame or mercy in their hearts for little girls who get raped by their own fathers, and they project it in such a way that the daughters start accepting it too, since some weird group of people is supporting it too. I have no doubts that the neo scientists will prove it too that hey, its completely normal to do that, don't fret, go ahead!
In a nut shell, I do think that it is the extremely destructive social makeup and lifestyle of the western society that has deeply disturbed the minds of the young people, who doesn't know how many kids are abandoned or given up for adoption all over the west? Who doesn't know the rising number of alcoholic mothers giving birth to babies (with compromised health and deep pyschologic deficiencies) and dropping them at shelters for being unable to take care of them? Most of these kids have no clue how or why they end up this way, it just takes so much courage and patience to realize that they are born in a society , without any love, even thought the things most shoved in their faces is love, but of sexual nature.
They are taught that to express same sex admiration, you have to be physically involved in the relationship, inspite of the fact that they can just become good friends and control the physical urge if there is any(which is usually anxiety and a deep desire longing for stability/being loved).
They Take the indoctrination from there, and go on to fill their hollow by following vain deceptions, with temporary satisfactions. Ask any gay person, they are deeply mortified by their strong feelings and cant get enough of them, it is like an addiction for them, there is no sense of peace/stability in them even if they have it all that they want.
And lastly, if homosexuals had a sense of contentment with their relationships, a staggering number of them wouldn't be drug addicts, alcoholics with aggression and depression in their personalities and the highest ratio of suicide among any group of people. You can go check it out yourself. Their self image and self esteem is so low that they are mostly unable to face normal worries that other people come across. My friend who is psychiatric specialist, recently dealt with a gay who was unable to understand why his boyfriend wont respond to his calls, for only one day and he reacted to that by trying to commit suicide, seriously if anyone loves these people so much, please help them save themselves from their inner destruction and stop buying the happy facade that they face you with.
iv read many times that muslims should hate the action and not the person. i think that its harder to put into practice than it is to put into writing.
the only reason we should do this is that ignorance can be overcome, if it is not ignorance than it is a lack or care.
bad things are put into the head by something that is not of this world, it is up to you if you embrace them or reject them..if you become them or not.
but to believe in the above you would have to believe in many things.
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