If the Prophet Mohammad is a true Messenger, you would not want to reject him, for many reasons. First you would not want to be rejecting the guidance of God and be not on the path chosen by him, and you would not want to go to hell. I know sincerely, I don't want to be rejecting the Prophet if he truly was sent by God.
Now having said that, you also don't want to be accepting Prophet Mohammad if he was not sent by God. You don't want to be following an authority that has no real authority over you, but that you give it authority for no reason. You don't want to believe in a book attributed to God when it's not his book either. You want to follow the truth and not something false.
According to the description of Prophets in Quran, is that they would be sent with proofs/signs/miracles. Now people were shown to be arrogant by refusing to accept such Prophets, because they came with clear evidence they were sent from the Creator. Now having said that, what would be a major inconsistency be with narrating such a stories of Prophets and not being a true one yourself? Well a major inconsistency that would result would be that you are unable to perform such miracles.
That would raise eyebrows and people would certainly be wise to ask "Why not a Sign sent with you like those people in the past were sent with?".
And in Quran, we see exactly this objection.
بَلْ قَالُوا أَضْغَاثُ أَحْلَامٍ بَلِ افْتَرَاهُ بَلْ هُوَ شَاعِرٌ فَلْيَأْتِنَا بِآيَةٍ كَمَا أُرْسِلَ الْأَوَّلُونَ {5}
[Shakir 21:5] Nay! say they: Medleys of dreams; nay! he has forged it; nay! he is a poet; so let him bring to us a sign as the former (prophets) were sent (with).
[Pickthal 21:5] Nay, say they, (these are but) muddled dreams; nay, he hath but invented it; nay, he is but a poet. Let him bring us a portent even as those of old (who were Allah’s messengers) were sent (with portents).
[Yusufali 21:5] “Nay,” they say, “(these are) medleys of dream! – Nay, He forged it! – Nay, He is (but) a poet! Let him then bring us a Sign like the ones that were sent to (Prophets) of old!”
In fact this is not the only place this objection was mentioned, and it was a common theme through out Quran. The replies to it seem to be red herrings.
مَا آمَنَتْ قَبْلَهُمْ مِنْ قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا ۖ أَفَهُمْ يُؤْمِنُونَ {6}
[Shakir 21:6] There did not believe before them any town which We destroyed, will they then believe?
[Pickthal 21:6] Not a township believed of those which We destroyed before them (though We sent them portents): would they then believe?
[Yusufali 21:6] (As to those) before them, not one of the populations which We destroyed believed: will these believe?
This reply seems to be a red herring, because it avoids answering why Mohammad was not sent with a sign. It also seems like a really illogical one at that, because, people in the past didn’t believe, but that didn’t prevent God from sending signs per account of Quran.
وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَوْلَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّهِ ۗ إِنَّمَا أَنْتَ مُنْذِرٌ ۖ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ {7}
[Shakir 13:7] And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner and (there is) a guide for every people.
[Pickthal 13:7] Those who disbelieve say: If only some portent were sent down upon him from his Lord! Thou art a warner only, and for every folk a guide.
[Yusufali 13:7] And the Unbelievers say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.
This seems to be another red herring. The reason why is because previous Prophets were just warners, but that didn’t prevent them from being sent a miracle/sign. There being a guide for every people is also irrelevant to the issue. It seems to be another red herring. It seems like it avoids answering the question and objection.
يَقُولُونَ لَوْلَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَيْهِ آيَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّهِ ۖ فَقُلْ إِنَّمَا الْغَيْبُ لِلَّهِ فَانْتَظِرُوا إِنِّي مَعَكُمْ مِنَ الْمُنْتَظِرِينَ {20}
[Shakir 10:20] And they say: Why is not a sign sent to him from his Lord? Say: The unseen is only for Allah; therefore wait– surely I too, with you am of those who wait.
[Pickthal 10:20] And they will say: If only a portent were sent down upon him from his Lord! Then say, (O Muhammad): The Unseen belongeth to Allah. So wait! Lo! I am waiting with you.
[Yusufali 10:20] They say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” Say: “The Unseen is only for Allah (to know), then wait ye: I too will wait with you.”
Again, it seems the answer is being avoided. The Unseen belonging to God doesn’t address the issue. It seems like another red herring.
وَأَقْسَمُوا بِاللَّهِ جَهْدَ أَيْمَانِهِمْ لَئِنْ جَاءَتْهُمْ آيَةٌ لَيُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهَا ۚ قُلْ إِنَّمَا الْآيَاتُ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ ۖ وَمَا يُشْعِرُكُمْ أَنَّهَا إِذَا جَاءَتْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ {109}
[Shakir 6:109] And they swear by Allah with the strongest of their oaths, that if a sign came to them they would most certainly believe in it. Say: Signs are only with Allah; and what should make you know that when it comes they will not believe?
[Pickthal 6:109] And they swear a solemn oath by Allah that if there come unto them a portent they will believe therein. Say; Portents are with Allah and (so is) that which telleth you that if such came unto them they would not believe.
[Yusufali 6:109] They swear their strongest oaths by Allah, that if a (special) sign came to them, by it they would believe. Say: “Certainly (all) signs are in the power of Allah: but what will make you (Muslims) realise that (even) if (special) signs came, they will not believe.”?
وَنُقَلِّبُ أَفْئِدَتَهُمْ وَأَبْصَارَهُمْ كَمَا لَمْ يُؤْمِنُوا بِهِ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَنَذَرُهُمْ فِي طُغْيَانِهِمْ يَعْمَهُونَ {110}
[Shakir 6:110] And We will turn their hearts and their sights, even as they did not believe in it the first time, and We will leave them in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
[Pickthal 6:110] We confound their hearts and their eyes. As they believed not therein at the first, We let them wander blindly on in their contumacy.
[Yusufali 6:110] We (too) shall turn to (confusion) their hearts and their eyes, even as they refused to believe in this in the first instance: We shall leave them in their trespasses, to wander in distraction.
وَلَوْ أَنَّنَا نَزَّلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ الْمَلَائِكَةَ وَكَلَّمَهُمُ الْمَوْتَىٰ وَحَشَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ قُبُلًا مَا كَانُوا لِيُؤْمِنُوا إِلَّا أَنْ يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ يَجْهَلُونَ {111}
[Shakir 6:111] And even if We had sent down to them the angels and the dead had spoken to them and We had brought together all things before them, they would not believe unless Allah pleases, but most of them are ignorant.
[Pickthal 6:111] And though We should send down the angels unto them, and the dead should speak unto them, and We should gather against them all things in array, they would not believe unless Allah so willed. Howbeit, most of them are ignorant.
[Yusufali 6:111] Even if We did send unto them angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is in Allah’s plan. But most of them ignore (the truth).
Now this seems like really weak reasoning. With all the red herrings, it’s basically stating they would not believe even if the proof was sent. The odd thing is these people became Muslims later as well. What are they suppose to make out of that? That they would not believe no matter what? And how would they believe that but except by believing him. It seem like this objection bothered Mohammad because it was a very good objection towards him. If we think about, miracles are PROOF of Prophets being Prophets. If some people accepted Mohammad, then showing them miracles would increase their faith, it would also cease the excuse of disbelievers. But without miracles, this gives a pretty solid argument and excuse for disbelievers rejecting. Previous Prophets were sent with miracles per Mohammad’s claim, yet he isn’t sent with any? This is a very good objection. And it’s a reasonable one. The thing is these verses are painting them as people that would never accept Mohammad but turns out most disbelievers ended up becoming Muslim after the victory of Muslims.
وَمَا مَنَعَنَا أَنْ نُرْسِلَ بِالْآيَاتِ إِلَّا أَنْ كَذَّبَ بِهَا الْأَوَّلُونَ ۚ وَآتَيْنَا ثَمُودَ النَّاقَةَ مُبْصِرَةً فَظَلَمُوا بِهَا ۚ وَمَا نُرْسِلُ بِالْآيَاتِ إِلَّا تَخْوِيفًا {59}
[Shakir 17:59] And nothing could have hindered Us that We should send signs except that the ancients rejected them; and We gave to Samood the she-camel– a manifest sign– but on her account they did injustice, and We do not send signs but to make (men) fear.
[Pickthal 17:59] Naught hindereth Us from sending portents save that the folk of old denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel – a clear portent save to warn.
[Yusufali 17:59] And We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).
Finally the issue is addressed directly. An answer is given as to why he wasn’t sent with signs. Now so far, it looks really bad alone that most of the time, the answer is avoided with red herrings. That makes it look like he couldn’t think of an answer till now. This is what it looks like to people that don’t already believe in Quran. The fact it looks bad this way, is itself a good reason, for God to have sent miracles, instead of making things look really bad.
But let’s investigate the answer. Is it a good one?
The reasoning itself seems poor without even pondering about it, but further investigations shows a real problem. Previous Prophets like Jesus were sent with miracles, and signs being rejected in the past never prevented God from sending Signs in the future.
So why the exception? People have free-will to accept and reject clear evidence. Nothing can force them to make a decision and have an irrational view. At most, something can be a factor to influencing them.
Furthermore, people rejecting never caused miracles to become ineffective in the past so as to not be sent with miracles.
So this seems like very poor reasoning. Even if they were ineffective, sending miracles would make a good case for future readers instead of a bad case for future readers which would like the person couldn’t brings miracles and had to make an excuse for it.
Also it makes no sense that an indirect reason would be stated instead of the direct reason which would have to be guessed.
But essentially, when we read Quran, we see for example, Firon asking a sign/indication/proof from Musa, and Musa brings a miracle right away. Not only that, but even though they didn’t believe in clear evidence the first time, they were followed up with signs after signs, each one according to Quran, was bigger then it’s sister (the one next to it).
It essentially cannot make sense that miracles were always sent, and that the final Prophet would not be sent with miracles. Aside from this issue, is that it seems a miracle was sent with Mohammad per verses of Quran. The moon was split. That seems like a contradiction.
Notice adding your own reasoning, like ‘God didn’t want to punish them’, etc, is giving additional reasons to what is the reason given by Quran. This is what I realized I did all the years of reading Quran, I added my own reasons additional to the reason that is stated in Quran.
But the Quran states the only thing that prevented God from sending signs was that ancients rejected them.
A person once mentioned that perhaps the verse is saying somehow people in the past rejecting signs caused signs to become ineffective to the future.
The first problem I have with this, is that it being ineffective is not the cause stated, and it makes no sense God wouldn’t just state this at the cause. The next problem is to be a direct cause, it has to imply it will be ineffective in the future. But if this was the case, they would’ve been ineffective in the past, and hence not sent for the same reason.
Another problem with this, is that it implies people don’t have free-will to decide to be logical and accept proofs. People actions in the past can’t force people in the future to be illogical, at most it can be a factor and influence.
Also God not giving them excuse and making it look towards future readers that miracles were sent, is a good reason for God to send miracles. God sending miracles would show consistency in his way of Prophets. Also he can strengthen faith of believers by miracles so this provides an alternative purpose.
Another thing to consider is that Quran being a binding proof is not even a factor stated in all this. Why is this important? Well because there needs to some evidence of Islam being true. Whatever it is, be it Quran or Mohammad’s character, or anything, it has to be a factor as to why God would not send miracles. There being already evidence would have to be such a factor. Because in absence of this factor, it would imply that God doesn’t care if there is “evidence” or not. So it must be a factor. It cannot be the cause, because revelations in the past were sent to be guidance as well, yet their Prophets were sent with miracles/signs as well.
This is a missing factor. In other words Quran should definetly be part of the equation as to why God would not sent miracles. There being evidence of Islam being true should be a factor.
Discussing with Muslims, about the issue of not being sent with signs, they always mention how Quran was a sufficient proof. Of course, there needs to be proof in absence of miracles, as a factor as to why God would not send signs, although it would not be a sufficient reason in it self.
So how do you solve this issue which to me seems unsolvable?
To address your doubts/ questions, I am going to put them in points, and each point is a topic in itself.
1. Was the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him a true prophet?? Was he deluded?? or a liar or a true messenger of Allah.
2. Has he been sent with miracles??
To establish the first point we have to look at the life of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. The pagans of Quraish they sent a representative to try and negotiate with the prophet Muhammad, they offered him power, money, and anything he wanted! If the Prophet Muhammad's goal was for all of these things then why didn't he accept it?? The Prophet peace be upon him, lived a simple life and died and he did not own anything. ' Aisha told her nephew Urwa We used to see three crescents in two months, and no fire used to be made in the houses of Allah's Apostle (i.e. nothing used to be cooked).'' Urwa said, ''What used to sustain you?'' Aisha said, ''The two black things i.e. dates and water. The Islamic state that he tried to establish was struggling , was he a liar?? For what gain?
Was he deluded
The prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, had three sons but all of them died. Sun Eclipse occurred at Prophet's time when (his son) Ibrahim died. It was recorded in history that it was Jan 27, 632 CE (Monday). Some people said it is a sign of the sun sadness to the prophet’s son death. What would a deluded or even a liar would do at perfect opportunity like this?? Al-Bukhari and Muslim record from 'Aishah that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "The sun and the moon are two Signs from among Allah's Signs and there is no eclipse due to the life or death of anyone. If you see that [an eclipse] supplicate to Allah, extol His Greatness, give charity and pray."
There is more points to establish that he was true prophet, one been he is less mentioned in the Quran than other prophets including Jesus peace be upon him. There is a great book, regarding this written by Brother Gary Miller the amazing Quran, A true researcher, he read the Quran to find errors but he embraced Islam.
I will not go further than that on the first point.
The second points is that you whole topic you deny that the prophet had any miracles. Well at least things that people actually saw, even the moon split was to a group of people.
Every messenger was sent with miracles that fit with the society that was sent to. For example Prophet Moses was sent with Divine superior magic. Egypt at that time was famous for this kind of things but the magicians of Egypt knew what he has done was not just a magic trick.
In the time of Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, medicine was the thing, so he was sent with healing powers.
The society that prophet Muhammad was sent to, was famous for poetry, and the Quran was the miracle. The Quran challenged them many times to even bring a verse like it, and the challenge is still there, furthermore there is more evidences to why the Quran is miracle.
Apart from the Quran the prophet performed many miracles in front of the Sahaba. you can Google them.
To answer why there was no more miracles. Although the prophet had many to show his followers but his main miracle that he used to spread the message is Quran. There are many reasons for that but I will ask questions in order to answer them
1. How many prophets has been sent to mankind ??
2. How many miracles were performed by the same prophets?
3. If Allah will not send us any more messengers where are our miracles?
1. To answer all these questions, Allah sent us many prophets about 124000, (There never was a people without a Warner having lived among them’ (35:24)
(We would never visit our wrath (chastise any community) until We had sent a Messenger to give warning’ (17:15)
(4.164. And Messengers We have already told you of (with respect to their mission) before, and Messengers We have not told you of)
2. Did Jesus peace be upon his perform one miracle. Two, three?? How many?? Can a certain number of miracles be enough to certain number of people? The answer is NO, people want to see them with their own eyes, I could swear now that I saw a miracle outside my house, only few people might believe me if any.
That why the prophets did more than one, in the case of Prophet Moses peace be upon him, The pharaoh gathered everyone, it was like a big show for his miracle.
Allah sent us all these messengers, so that mankind will have no argument against Allah after the messengers in the day of judgement ((We sent] messengers as bringers of good tidings and warners so that mankind will have no argument against Allah after the messengers. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.)4:165
3. Allah sent many messengers, and all came supported by miracles. Some people still want to see miracles now to believe. Allah has stopped sending more messengers but for us to believe he has left us with the miracle the holy Quran. If I talk about why the Quran is miracle, I don’t think the pages in this forum will be enough.
a. The main miracle is the promise Allah made to preserve the Quran
"We revealed the Reminder (the Quran) and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." [Quran 15:9] This is a fact, the Quran is still preserved, if someone doubt our written form we have the oral form. They can’t doubt the authenticity of the book. The Quran has been memorized since it was revealed.
b. Another promise in the Quran (We made the Quran easy to learn)"54:17] the Quarn is memorized all over the world even by children, even if people do not speak Arabic. Who can memorize a whole book of 30 chapters in different language?? And it is not the odd person here or there. It is million of people doing this, also there are global competitions for memorizing the entire Quran, if that was not a miracle, I don’t know what it is!! who could memorize a decent size novel in another Lagrange?
c. The Quran’s language is one of the most amazing style, that the Arab never knew, they could not categories it- it is not a form a poetry or any form they have known. Even though now days there are foolish people who attempt to pick grammatical errors in the Quran, the Arabs at the time of prophet did not dare to do this. Let’s not forget that the prophet was illiterate.
d. The scientific proofs in the Quran for me just the icing in the cake, and not the deciding factors.
e. Finally the challenge still there (Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)
“And if you all are in doubt about what I have revealed to My servant, bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful.” (Quran 2:23)
Allah stopped showing physical miracles, it does not mean that the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did not have any, as I said there are many Hadiths but there were not a mean of converting people
Allah is just, if he wills he will make us all believers without sending messengers or miracles but he sent both. Mankind will have no argument against Allah in the day of judgement. The Quran is the miracle for all times. Allah of course knows best, if miracles were the deciding factors for people believing the messengers, then Jesus peace be upon him should have more followers than the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in his life time. How many did Jesus have as followers?? the 12 disciples and may be few more?? The prophet Muhammad peace be upon him By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam. Allah showed us through history the wisdom of doing that.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) did perform many miracles. We however don't feel the need to consume ourselves with them as we know that with the permission of God all is possible. The pagans called him a sorcerer for being able to "conjure" up the Quran which caused many to convert.
He was also prophesied by the prophets(pbut) before him. He reminded the people that there is only One God and He alone should be worshipped. Intellect, reasoning alone is enough for the people to see the signs that he is a true Messenger of God. Jesus pbuh came with miracles, but that didn't stop the message from being corrupted.
When his son died, there was coincidentally an eclipse. The people said that that was a sign that the sun mourned for his loss. He however explained to them that that was only part of nature. He in fact did away with all the superstitious beliefs.
Miracles die with the death if the messengers. The Red Sea isn't parted nor can we breathe life into dead birds and no proof that it happened. The prophet did indeed perform many miracles but they were for the people of his time and left us with the living miracle which is the noble Quran with the challenge to bring anything like it - in lyricism, transcendance, guidance, logical consistency textual integrity and have it govern every aspect of man's life from politics to economics to social structure to ideology to spirituality to laws of inheritance & jurisprudence to running a state.
I wrote the article. If you find elsewhere on the internet, then it's my work.
People seem to be saying miracles were sent. Well per Quran there was a moon miracle. But the reason "The former people rejected them" would surely have applied tothose miracles, or otherwise, there is an inconsistency. The Quran is stating that nothing prevented him from sending with signs except that the ancients rejected them.
2ndly, people state that the Quran was a sufficient miracle, and that is why God didn't send more miracles, but there is three responses to that:
1) This wasn't stated to be a factor let alone the reason, rather what was stated to be the reason is that ancients rejected them.
2) It still doesn't solve the issue of red herrings responses.
3) Prophets before were sent with "books" that surely had to be a binding proof for future generations or otherwise only the first generation would have proof via physical miracles, but they were still sent with physical miracles.
Now you can come up with all sorts of your own reasoning as to why God didn't send miracles at that point, but the thing is the Quran does state a reason, and states there is no other reason but that reason. And that reason is "The former people rejected them". What has to be addressed is how this statement makes any sense.
I wrote the article. If you find elsewhere on the internet, then it's my work.
People seem to be saying miracles were sent. Well per Quran there was a moon miracle. But the reason "The former people rejected them" would surely have applied tothose miracles, or otherwise, there is an inconsistency. The Quran is stating that nothing prevented him from sending with signs except that the ancients rejected them.
2ndly, people state that the Quran was a sufficient miracle, and that is why God didn't send more miracles, but there is three responses to that:
1) This wasn't stated to be a factor let alone the reason, rather what was stated to be the reason is that ancients rejected them.
2) It still doesn't solve the issue of red herrings responses.
3) Prophets before were sent with "books" that surely had to be a binding proof for future generations or otherwise only the first generation would have proof via physical miracles, but they were still sent with physical miracles.
Now you can come up with all sorts of your own reasoning as to why God didn't send miracles at that point, but the thing is the Quran does state a reason, and states there is no other reason but that reason. And that reason is "The former people rejected them". What has to be addressed is how this statement makes any sense.
Well, it does not seem that you even read my reply!
You say that miracles stopped because “the reason is that ancients rejected them”. Yes it is true.
Since you have not read my full reply, let’s say it again. Allah of course knows best, if miracles were the deciding factors for people believing the messengers, then Jesus peace be upon him should have more followers than the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in his life time. How many did Jesus have as followers?? the 12 disciples and may be few more?? The prophet Muhammad peace be upon him By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam. Allah showed us through history the wisdom of doing that.
In regards of miracles, prophet Muhammad did perform miracles, many of them but as I said there were not a way of conveying the message, it is more like a gift, as it was showed to his followers they did not need more proofs he was the messenger. For example Moses peace be upon him, when he performed his miracle of splitting the sea, that was not a miracles to convince people, it was a gift from Allah to save him. Although, he performed his main miracles in front of the magicians.
The fact remains, all these miracles we know about them, because the last prophet has told us about them. He could have denied them if he was a false prophet.
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Btw if a miracle akin to that of parting the sea were all you required why is your lifestyle choice 'other' and not Jewish or the religion whose miracle you deem most worthy of notice?
Allah swt brings people what's best for their situation. Moses (P) happened upon people who dabbled in sorcery, thus his miracle when the pharaoh brought his men was of the same nature only to be recognized as superior. Jesus (p) happened upon people who value medicine thus his miracles were of the same nature, healing lepers, curing blind. it is a step above the rest for folks to so recognize it. with prophet Mohammed (p) he came upon people who loved poetry and prose and verse, thus his ultimate miracle and so remains with us.
In fact I disagree completely with what you've posted for a thread title. Signs/miracles/ and proofs galore were given, from the splitting of the moon to Israa and Miraj.. the problem truly lies with you not with what we consider a miracle/sign or proof..
best,
Last edited by جوري; 09-29-2012 at 06:43 PM.
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Your response is kind of a good example of how those people would have responded if a miracle was performed out of their request. a pre-concluded response. You have already decided what your response will be.
You see, people are coming up with own reasons now. For example, stating well the reason why Moses was sent with his type of signs was because people valued magic and Jesus was sent with his type of signs because people valued medicine, and Mohammad was not sent with miracle of Quran, because people valued poetry and hence there was enough proof, etc, but don't you see, that this opposes what the Quran states?
The Quran states "nothing prevented from sending the signs except that..." which so far means there is one reason and one reason only that signs are not sent, and what is it? Does it have anything to do with poetry or Quran being a miracle and people having their own type of miracles...no, this is not mentioned, instead what is stated refutes that, and states it's because and only because the ancients rejected the signs.
And again, if miracles were sent AFTER this verse, then why isn't the reason then not preventing miracles later but prevented them till that time?
Actually those reasons are well documented in tafsir wa khwatir al'Quran if you'd spend some time reading and doing proper research than taking excerpts in isolation. The fact that all of us aren't taking your post seriousely I myself typed the lasts posts and this one from my phone shows how silly your argument is:
Wama tateehim min ayatin min ayati rabbihim illa kanoo AAanha muAArideena
6:4 But never did a single one of the signs of their Lord reach them, but they turned away therefrom.
If you don't like the responses, signs, miracles etc. as they're repeatedly provided, exampled and quoted then what exactly do you want from us? You're convinced of your own version of the truth عن دون الناس جميعا.
Waminhum man yastamiAAoona ilayka afaanta tusmiAAu alssumma walaw kanoo la yaAAqiloona
10:42 Among them are some who (pretend to) listen to thee: But canst thou make the DEAF to hear,- even though they are without understanding?
The Qur’an when heard has an ecstatic, almost hypnotic and overwhelming of emotion effect to those who understand it, and even to those who don’t! to the extent that the antagonists who heard it from the mouth of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon) accused it of being magic, due to its influence and power on the people when they heard it.
The Qur’an is unique in its layout, it defines its own structure as; Ayah, Surah, Qur’aan, giving the Qur’an a structural uniqueness in comparison to other texts.
Even at a literary level – it does not contain exaggerations or unnecessary words like poetry may. Rather it does the exact opposite of accurately choosing the best and most suited words which will describe in the most detail with the fewest of words.
The Qur’an contains meaningful, reflective, beneficial, practical and unmatched literary gems in Every Ayah, in comparison to poetry which may contain only a handful of literary gems in the entire poem.
The Qur’an contains linguistic Scientific marvels which describe modern science embryology in extreme detail and accuracy.
The Qur’an being the mother book of Arabic grammar has provided new levels of advancement in the Arabic language which were not found prior to it in any other language. Examples include; Maqaam – whereby one would use different parts of a book to gain contextual understanding of the overall picture. Tammam Hassan points out that when scholars of balagha [in Arabic rhetoric] recognized the concept of maqam (contextualisation), they were one thousand years ahead of their time. (in comparison to other languages of the world.)
The Qur’an also achieved an all-rounder success in using or introducing all the tools used for a piece of literature to have a powerful effect on all audiences (the experts of language and non-experts alike.)
The Qur’an uses; Sounds, Visuals, Movie-effects, word-play, human psychology, and rhetoric in the strongest of forms to target and influence the deep inner psyche of the listener.
We have seen an outline of how we can extract gems from the Qur’an ourselves.
Whoever reads through the Qur’an will realize that it contains various levels of superiority through both the apparent and hidden meanings that it mentions… So the expressions in the Qur’an are perfect and its meanings are explained. Further, every word and meaning in the Qur’an is eloquent and cannot be surpassed…
The Qur’an is true, just and full of guidance. It does not contain exaggerations, lies or falsehood, unlike Arabic and other types of poems that contained lies. Sometimes, one would find a long poem that mainly contains descriptions of women, horses or alcohol. Or, the poem might contain praise or the description of a certain person, horse, camel, war, incident, fear, lion, or other types of items and objects. Such praise or descriptions do not bring any benefit, except shed light on the poet’s ability to clearly and eloquently describe such items. Yet, one will only be able to find one or two sentences in many long poems that elaborate on the main theme of the poem, while the rest of the poem contains insignificant descriptions and repetitions. As for the Qur’an, it is entirely eloquent in the most perfect manner, as those who have knowledge in such matters and understand Arabic methods of speech and expressions concur. When one reads through the stories in the Qur’an, he will find them fruitful, whether they were in extended or short forms, repeated or not. The more these stories are repeated, the more fruitful and beautiful they become. The Qur’an does not become old when one repeats reciting it, nor do the scholars ever get bored with it.
(Extract from: Tafsir ibn Kathir – Surah al Baqarah 2:24)
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People seem to be saying miracles were sent. Well per Quran there was a moon miracle. But the reason "The former people rejected them" would surely have applied tothose miracles, or otherwise, there is an inconsistency. The Quran is stating that nothing prevented him from sending with signs except that the ancients rejected them.
2ndly, people state that the Quran was a sufficient miracle, and that is why God didn't send more miracles, but there is three responses to that:
1) This wasn't stated to be a factor let alone the reason, rather what was stated to be the reason is that ancients rejected them.
2) It still doesn't solve the issue of red herrings responses.
3) Prophets before were sent with "books" that surely had to be a binding proof for future generations or otherwise only the first generation would have proof via physical miracles, but they were still sent with physical miracles.
Now you can come up with all sorts of your own reasoning as to why God didn't send miracles at that point, but the thing is the Quran does state a reason, and states there is no other reason but that reason. And that reason is "The former people rejected them". What has to be addressed is how this statement makes any sense.
I have looked it up even further, to see the tafseer for verse you quoted. Your question seems to be based on it, and not if prophet had any miracles but the fact the translation you brought which says no more miracles because they have been rejected before { وَمَا مَنَعَنَآ أَن نُّرْسِلَ بِٱلآيَاتِ إِلاَّ أَن كَذَّبَ بِهَا ٱلأَوَّلُونَ وَآتَيْنَا ثَمُودَ ٱلنَّاقَةَ مُبْصِرَةً فَظَلَمُواْ بِهَا وَمَا نُرْسِلُ بِٱلآيَاتِ إِلاَّ تَخْوِيفاً } 17:59
· The first point so let’s say that the your translation is wrong, are you going to believe and accept all his miracles?? There are huge difference between translation and tafseer.
· قوله تعالى : وما منعنا أن نرسل بالآيات إلا أن كذب بها الأولون وآتينا ثمود الناقة مبصرة فظلموا بها وما نرسل بالآيات إلا تخويفا.
The tafseer for this verse or the reason for it, as most verses in Quran came with a reason, a story on incident at that time. The context behind the verse, Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "The idolators said: `O Muhammad, you claim that before you there were Prophets, among whom was one to whom the wind was subjugated, and another who could bring the dead back to life. If you want us to believe in you, ask your Lord to turn As-Safa' into gold for us.' Allah conveyed to him by inspiration (Wahy): `I have heard what they have said. If you wish, I will do what they say, but if they do not believe after that, the punishment will come down upon them, because after the sign has been sent, there is no room for speculation. Or if you wish, I will be patient with your people and give them more time.' He said: (O Lord, give them more time.)'' This was also narrated by Qatadah, Ibn Jurayj and others. Then Allah revealed the verse above., and tafseer this verse Qatadah, Ibn Jurayj say, nothing stopping is stopping us from bringing down what they ask for except that, when we do and they reject it like the others did, we will destroy them and punish them. The miracle was not done in mercy of the pagans, because they would have been wiped out had the miracle been carried out because they still would have disbelieved. So we see that Allah denying miracles to the prophet peace be upon him was conditioned, it does not mean he will not support him with any miracles at all.
The Tafseer in Arabic, if anyone see that I miss something please add.
قوله تعالى : وما منعنا أن نرسل بالآيات إلا أن كذب بها الأولون في الكلام حذف ، والتقدير : وما منعنا أن نرسل بالآيات التي اقترحوها إلا أن يكذبوا بها فيهلكوا كما فعل بمن كان قبلهم . قال معناه قتادة وابن جريج وغيرهما . فأخر الله - تعالى - العذاب عن كفار قريش لعلمه أن فيهم من يؤمن وفيهم من يولد مؤمنا . وقد تقدم في [ الأنعام ] وغيرها أنهم طلبوا أن يحول الله [ ص: 253 ] لهم الصفا ذهبا وتتنحى الجبال عنهم ; فنزل جبريل وقال : ( إن شئت كان ما سأل قومك ولكنهم إن لم يؤمنوا لم يمهلوا وإن شئت استأنيت بهم ) . فقال : لا بل استأن بهم . وأن الأولى في محل نصب بوقوع المنع عليهم ، وأن الثانية في محل رفع . والباء في بالآيات زائدة . ومجاز الكلام : وما منعنا إرسال الآيات إلا تكذيب الأولين ، والله - تعالى - لا يكون ممنوعا عن شيء ; فالمعنى المبالغة في أنه لا يفعل ، فكأنه قد منع عنه .
تفسير الطبري » تفسير سورة الإسراء
يقول تعالـى ذكره: وما منعنا يا مـحمد أن نرسل بـالآيات التـي سألها قومك، إلا أن كان من قبلهم من الأمـم الـمكذّبة، سألوا ذلك مثل سؤالهم فلـما أتاهم ما سألوا منه كذّبوا رسلهم، فلـم يصدّقوا مع مـجيء الآيات، فعوجلوا فلـم نرسل إلـى قومك بـالآيات، لأنَّا لو أرسلنا بها إلـيها، فكذّبوا بها، سلكنا فـي تعجيـل العذاب لهم مسلك الأمـم قبلها .
· Finally, let’s say that the verse is not conditioned but it meant as general rule, what is wrong with that? They will ask, a prophet without a miracle?? We will ask, how about prophet Noah peace be upon him what are his miracles?? If they say the flood, that will be the wrong answer, as the flood killed all the unbelievers, so which miracles he used to convert the non-believers?
May Allah guide you if you are truly searching for the truth
If the Quran was not from God Islam would have died long ago, as it is there are a billion plus followers today.
In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship
Eric
I would respectfully disagree with your conclusion here, even though I am a Muslim but there are so many religions which are still alive, it does not mean they are right too. We don’t judge a religion by the number of its followers. In fact the Quran tell us that
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