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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Abu bakr (ra) used to let them off a lot of the time, but was also very harsh when required, his ability to curse was very colorful and his passion for the truth was super-strong, they were qualities that equipped him in his task....
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Abu bakr was a confirmer of the truth and close companion and confidant of the prophet pbuh.
    there is no prophet called "al 'iisa" (the 'iisa)
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    I think the brother is referring to Nabi `Eesaa عليه السلام.

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    @Zamtsa : Hadhrat Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه was a Sahaabi (companion of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم).

    Nabi `Eesaa عليه السلام was a Rasool (Messenger) and Nabi (Prophet) of Allaah.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    I think there's a confusion here.

    Abu Bakr (r.a) was prophet Muhammad's best friend, strongest support or, his father in law, and first of Caliph after the demise of the Prophet.

    Ali r.a. was the cousin of the Prophet(s.a.w), his son in law and the 4th Caliph of Islam.

    Isa aka Jesus (a.s.) was the last prophet sent to the Jews by God.

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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Note: Whenever a person says or writes the name of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, he must make sure to add the Durood, In Shaa Allaah. If speaking, say it out. If writing, write it out (in full. No abbreviations.)
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    Note: Whenever a person says or writes the name of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, he must make sure to add the Durood, In Shaa Allaah. If speaking, say it out. If writing, write it out (in full. No abbreviations.)
    Source please, qul haatoo burhaanakum in kuntum suaadiqeen
    i accept the fact that "pbuh" specifically means: peace be upon him in english, though the arabic translates as something like "prayers of Allah be upon him and eternal peace" , however, the latter becomes impractical when handwriting or sending short messages.
    Bear in mind that B] صلى الله عليه وسلم[/B] is itself an abbreviation which just about passes the literal response to the verse,
    and that the prophet
    صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ، اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِي
    gave a much longer version when he

    صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ، اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَآلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِي
    , was asked about the aayah.

    If you want to be accurate to the letter, you would have to return to the Qur-aanic verse which states:


    إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا
    {56*033:056*Khan:
    Allah sends His Salat (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad SAW) and also His angels too (ask Allah to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salat on (ask Allah to bless) him (Muhammad SAW), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islamic way of greeting (salutation i.e. As-Salamu 'Alaikum).

    033:056*Maulana:
    Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet. O you who believe, call for blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.

    033:056*Pickthal:
    Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.

    033:056*Rashad:
    GOD and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and regard him as he should be regarded.

    033:056*Sarwar:
    God showers His blessings upon the Prophet and the angels seek forgiveness for him. Believers, pray for the Prophet and greet him with, "Peace be with you."

    033:056*Shakir:
    Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.

    033:056*Sherali:
    ALLAH sends down HIS blessings on the Prophet and HIS angels pray for him. O ye who believe, you too should invoke HIS blessings on him and salute him with the salutation of peace.

    033:056*Yusufali:
    Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.
    And then look up the tafseer if available in hadeeth first:

    Messenger*» Hadith
    كتاب الصلاة على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم15

    The Book of Supplicating Allah to Exalt the Mention of Allah's Messenger

    Abu Muhammad Ka'b bin 'Ujrah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:The Prophet (ﷺ) came to us and we asked him, "O Messenger of Allah, we already know how to greet you (i.e., say As-salamu 'alaikum), but how should we supplicate for you?"

    He (ﷺ) said, "Say: 'Allahumma salli 'ala Muhammadin, wa 'ala 'ali Muhammadin, kama sallaita 'ala 'ali Ibrahima, innaka Hamidum Majid. Allahumma barik 'ala Muhammadin, wa 'ala 'ali Muhammadin, kama barakta 'ala 'ali Ibrahima, innaka Hamidum Majid*

    [O Allah, exalt the mention of Muhammad and the family of Muhammad as you exalted the family of Ibrahim. You are Praised and Glorious. O Allah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad as You blessed the family of Ibrahim. You are Praised and Glorious."'

    [Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

    وعن أبي محمد كعب بن عجرة رضي الله عنه قال‏:‏ خرج علينا النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقلنا‏:‏ يا رسول الله، قد علمنا كيف نسلم عليك، فكيف نصلي عليك‏؟‏ قال‏:‏ ‏*"‏قولوا‏:‏ اللهم صلِ على محمد، وعلى آل محمد، كما صليت على آل إبراهيم، إنك حميد مجيد‏.‏ اللهم بارك على محمد وعلى آل محمد، كما باركت على آل إبراهيم، إنك حميد مجيد‏"‏ ‏(‏‏(‏متفق عليه‏)‏‏)

    ‏‏.‏Sunnah.com reference*:*Book 15, Hadith 9

    Arabic/English book
    reference*:*Book 15, Hadith 1405
    Report Error*|*Share


    See also:

    https://islamqa.info/en/219312


    Then we'd have to understand the practicality of sending a twitter measage....

    ....isn't it better to tell people to try and make it lengthy where practical and possible whilst seeking to please and obey Allah, and not legislate something totally letter based that's far from the spirit?

    If you're concerned about corrupt mischiefmakers trying to pervert the abbreviation, know that such mischiefmakers have even called him "prophet muhammad" and then claimed that he wasn't a prophet, and Allah's curse is upon such mischiefmakers unless and until they repent and turn to Allah and accept all of Allah's messengers, we don't need to go all OCD, we need to obey Allah as Allah wants us to obey Him and seek Allah's pleasure in our deeds and intentions.

    لاَّ يُؤَاخِذُكُمُ اللّهُ بِاللَّغْوِ فِيَ أَيْمَانِكُمْ وَلَكِن يُؤَاخِذُكُم بِمَا كَسَبَتْ قُلُوبُكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ

    {225*002:225*Khan:

    Allah will not call you to account for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will call you to account for that which your hearts have earned. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most- Forbearing.

    i.e. Allah will see how strong our intention is to obey or disobey Him and reward us accordingly.

    And Allah knows best.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    When Sahaabah-e-Kiraam took the name of Nabi صلى الله عليه وسلم, they said just that:

    صلى الله عليه وسلم

    Sallallaahu `Alayhi wa Sallam.

    They did not recite the full Durood-e-Ibraaheem which you have mentioned.

    It is the same for writing as it is for speaking it.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    We should be careful when legislating brother, especially when laying shackles and burdens which can turn into snares.

    *On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
    I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say:What I have forbidden for you, avoid. What I have ordered you [to do], do as much of it as you can. For verily, it was only their excessive questioning and disagreeing with their Prophets that destroyed [the nations] who were before you.
    [Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

    There is another narration for this hadith that gives a deeper understanding of its meaning:

    The Messenger of Allah (sas) addressed us and said,

    O people! Hajj has been made obligatory upon you, so perform the Hajj. A man asked, "Is that every year, O Messenger of Allah?" The Prophet (sas) remained silent while the man repeated his question three times.
    Then he said, "If I had said 'yes' then it would have become obligatory upon you [i.e. every year], and you would not have been able to do so. Do not ask me about that which I have left unspecified, for verily the nations before you were destroyed by their excessive questioning and argumentation with their Prophets. If I order you with something then do as much of it as you are able, and if I forbid you from something then keep away from it."

    In both of these narrations, the prophet (sas) commands us to avoid what he has forbidden and to follow what he has ordered us to do according to the best of our ability.The Prophet (sas) also asks us to follow his guidance without asking too many questions, and to pay attention to the types of questions we ask.

    Stay Away from What is Prohibited

    "What I have forbidden for you, avoid.” We have to follow this command all the time, and in all situations. This order has to be followed except under dire circumstances, such as when one is starving and there is no food available except for some meat that was not properly slaughtered. In conditions other than that of necessity, however, all Muslims have to avoid what is forbidden.

    Obligations are According to Ability

    "What I have ordered you to do, do as much of it as you can" is an important principle of Islam. The Prophet (sas) is indicating that we won’t be able to do all what is required, but we have to do as much of it as we can. Based upon this principle are countless other rulings. Prayer, for example: the Prophet (sas) said, 'Pray standing; if you are not able to; pray sitting, if you are not able to; pray (while lying) on your side."

    The scholars have differed over the meaning of a command by the Prophet to perform an action - does it imply repetition? That is, if we are ordered to do something then does that automatically imply that we must do it repeatedly? Or does it mean that doing it once is sufficient unless otherwise specified?

    For example, we are commanded with Hajj once in a lifetime, but we are also commanded with Salah five times every day. Most of the scholars decided that a command does not automatically imply repetition, while others said that we should rule on whether it implies repetition or not without further evidence.

    http://40hadithnawawi.com/index.php/...diths/hadith-9


    When one is aware of the impracticality of application and it is not a case of clear cut haraam, it is usually better to recommend than to rule, especially by saying "must" lest a person falls short.
    The Prophet pbuh was very careful of such issues.

    I was shocked when i heard someone say that not keeping a beard is a major sin and thereby putting the congregation to trial despite it being a recommendation based on Muslim identity, just as prayer with shoes, khifaaf and sandals is.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Someone posted this on a Facebook page:

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/islam...1619682558982/

    Relates to the issue at hand.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Maulana Zakariyyah Kandhlawi mentions in his "Fazaail-e-Amaal" that one person was in the habit of using abbreviations instead of the full Durood, and as a result of that, Allaah Ta`aalaa caused his hand to become paralysed.

    Allaahu A`lam regarding the authenticity of the story.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Imaam An-Nawawi appears from his teachings and sayings to have been a very wise man who was familiar with the concepts of legislation. He was careful to say "mustahab" (recomended/liked/loved/preferable) rather than "must" (obligatory) which is "fardh" in Arabic.
    The person who quoted him appears to have taken it out of context.
    The difference is easy to perceive when one is/or has been in or put through a position of authority and the relevance becomes essential.

    When i say "i.e" i mean "in essence"

    After reading this article, you won’t ever mix up i.e. vs. e.g. again.

    I.e. Meaning, E.g. Meaning

    To start off, what does i.e. mean and what does e.g. mean?They are both abbreviations for Latin terms, i.e. meaning*id est*and e.g. meaning*exempli gratia. The English translations are “that is” and “for example.”There are a few good ways to keep their meanings separate from one another. One is to remember that, since i.e. begins with an “I,” it means “InEssence” or “In other words.” These two aren’t exact translations, but they can communicate the meaning to you so you don’t mix up the abbreviations in your writing.Remembering e.g. can be done by thinking of it as meaning “Example*Given” or by remembering that it means “Example,” which also starts with an “E.”
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    Maulana Zakariyyah Kandhlawi mentions in his "Fazaail-e-Amaal" that one person was in the habit of using abbreviations instead of the full Durood, and as a result of that, Allaah Ta`aalaa caused his hand to become paralysed.

    Allaahu A`lam regarding the authenticity of the story.
    I thought you were a student of knowledge but I am doubtful of that now, a student of knowledge should know the "Fazaail-e-Amaal" is a deviant book full of shirks. Unless this one is different than the one the tablighi people use. Regardless, Quran and Sunnah is our source of knowledge.

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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by aaj View Post
    I thought you were a student of knowledge but I am doubtful of that now, a student of knowledge should know the "Fazaail-e-Amaal" is a deviant book full of shirks. Unless this one is different than the one the tablighi people use. Regardless, Quran and Sunnah is our source of knowledge.
    Brother, I know exactly what is written in Fazaail-e-Amaal (I've read it cover to cover many times) and of all the refutations which have been written against it, as well as the problem the Ahl-e-Hadeeth have with it that majority of the Ahaadeeth quoted therein are Dha`eef. I wasn't addressing those issues. I quoted a story he narrates (which has nothing to do with Shirk or any Hadeeth) - perhaps he knew this person himself - and mentioned it here as a reminder and something people can take lesson from.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Let me ask you a question:

    Do you accept Imaam ibn al-Qayyim رحمة الله عليه? What do you think of him and his writings? Is he trustworthy? Reliable?
    Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

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    Also, as a side note: If you've kept up to date with the Fazaa'il-e-Amaal issue, you would know that it has been revised many times (since the refutations were written), and a lot of those stories have been removed and no longer exist in the new prints.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Brother aaj, one can get knowledge from anywhere, even from observing a baby, it is a case of processing it correctly and comparing it with what is known to be solid and or stable.
    I get knowledge from schwarznegger movies too, and also when i am compelled to sit at a place that has secular mainstream news, i have to filter it in a way that i recognize what they are trying to project to the psyche of the masses.
    I too have read some wierd things in the book fazail e a'maal, and also some good information.
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    Brother,

    That book is not reliable. The fact it had so much shirk and biddah in it to begin with and the so called "scholars" and "alims" and the "imams" in asia use that more so than the Quran and hadith is troublesome. It doesn't matter how many times it was revised. They should be referencing the Quran and Sunnah, not that book as their one and only source. Also, why would you share unverified stories? what benefit is in that? If we want people to take lessons from stories outside of the Quran and Sunnah then why not make one up yourself?

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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

    A Hadeeth to be kept in mind:


    عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ الْكَلِمَةُ الْحِكْمَةُ ضَالَّةُ الْمُؤْمِنِ فَحَيْثُ وَجَدَهَا فَهُوَ أَحَقُّ بِهَا
    2687 سنن الترمذي كتاب العلم باب ما جاء في فضل الفقه على العبادة

    المحدث السيوطي خلاصة حكم المحدث حسن

    Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, "The wise saying (wisdom) is the lost property of a Mu'min. Wherever he finds it, he is most rightful (entitled) to it." [Narrated in Sunan at-Tirmidhee.]

    So we accept whatever stories are in conformity with Qur'aan and Sunnah and reject whatever is not in conformity.

    Remember that Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, "Narrate from Bani Israa'eel wa laa haraj" (i.e. as long as there is nothing in the story which contradicts Islaam).
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    Re: Who's Al Abu Bakar RA , Is That The Prophet Al 'Iisa AS ?

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    Sister aaj
    Sister aaj? I thought it was brother aaj?
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