Majority of new Reverts to Islam in western countries are women, in USA non Muslims report that they are 75 % from new revert from the reported about 20 000 yearly reverts to Islam!
And when I say ALL, means everything said about women in Islam, actualy Islam is the only religion that Respect women, and make it Equal with men in front of our Creator, and Protect her and give her freedom!
see those Beautiful inteligent girls revert to Islam:
The Idea of me bringing those links is not to say Islam in fastest growing religion in west or world, but to answer the fake accusation about women in Islam, and maybe this will lead you to discover Islam and not just read the titles on the covers without knowing what is inside!
May Allah (swt) guide us all!
ALLAH
THE MOST MERCIFUL
THE MOST WISE
THE MOST BENFICIENT
THE MOST LOVING
And when I say ALL, means everything said about women in Islam, actualy Islam is the only religion that Respect women, and make it Equal with men in front of our Creator, and Protect her and give her freedom!
Peace
In the countries with the most strickt and purest islamic law, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under taleban, women couldnt go outside home without husband's permission, they couldnt drive cars there or study.Note that most of women who convert to islam, do it to marry a muslim man, and they mostly stay in western countries, so they can stilluse the freedom and rights that those countries give them.When husband takes the wife to muslim country, it often happens that the marriage is broken, because the wife must obey they rules and burdens that she wasnt aware of.I know many examples of this from my country.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
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In the countries with the most strickt and purest islamic law, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under taleban, women couldnt go outside home without husband's permission, they couldnt drive cars there or study.
these countries do not uphold purest Islamic law although they are strict from the cultural perspective.
most of the revert sisters are intelligent enough to understand that these countries do not represent Islam.
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
Note that most of women who convert to islam, do it to marry a muslim man, and they mostly stay in western countries, so they can still use the freedom and rights that those countries give them.When husband takes the wife to muslim country, it often happens that the marriage is broken, because the wife must obey they rules and burdens that she wasnt aware of.I know many examples of this from my country.
not true, most women do not convert to marry Muslim man. most of them marry without converting. freedom and rights doesn't mean anything when the society and culture disrespects and degrades women.
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In the countries with the most strickt and purest islamic law, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under taleban, women couldnt go outside home without husband's permission, they couldnt drive cars there or study.Note that most of women who convert to islam, do it to marry a muslim man, and they mostly stay in western countries, so they can stilluse the freedom and rights that those countries give them.When husband takes the wife to muslim country, it often happens that the marriage is broken, because the wife must obey they rules and burdens that she wasnt aware of.I know many examples of this from my country.
I Agree with you and I dont agree with you!
I agree with you that there is a lot of western women as you say and FACTS say they become Muslims to marry Muslim Men whom they fall in love with, and this also proof how Muslim men generally treat their women (thanks), but those women are three categories to be FAIR enough:
1- Most of them become Muslims because they are convinced of that!
2- A lot of them Become Muslim but their faith is not strong
3- Some just embrace Islam to get Married from whom they love but at least they live Islamic way!
But I don’t agree with you concerning my thread as I were talking about women who choose to Revert to Islam by themselves without knowing any Muslim men, and they are a lot, not only from Muslim and non Muslim reports but because personally I knew a lot of them and to be specific in Russia and Ukraine and America!
Statistics say that one of Higher rate of violence of Husbands towards their wives is in America, did you know that!?
Do you know why are such results in west!?
One of the main reasons is they are DRUNK and no social system to protect women!
FBI report says about 100 000 women RAPED in America EACH YEAR:
See when you talk about ISLAM then lets talk what Islam says and not what Muslims do, because if you begin to talk what some bad Muslims do and we begin to talk about what non Muslim men do, the result at the end will be that ISLAM makes better communities!
And the most interesting that you as Christian defending western system that have nothing to do with Christianity, as if you choose another religion this amazes me actually!
Do you know that Islam is the only religion that gives rights to women !?
Do you know that Islam is the only religion that makes women Equal to men in front of God!?
Do you know that Islam is the only religion that written in it for men: MARY ONLY ONE WIFE (interesting fact).
Do you know that ISLAM is the only religion that makes System and gives solution to protect women!
Women in Islam are respectable, have honor, dignity, they are protected and saved by men they have Inner beauty also, for example do you like when men call women chicks!?
And Ironically and amazingly that you consider Nuns are better then normal women, they are considered the highest level of faith among women in Christianity right!?
And I want to ask you a question whom you think better:
A- A women that day and night pray and do nothing else and she dont have any obligation no Husband or children to take care of them!?
B- or a women who believe and pray beside she take care of her home Husband and children and even her old mother etc..
Which women is better!?
See if you are Christian then talk to me Christianity and not FAKE freedom that Christianity have nothing to do with it!
I agree with you that there is a lot of western women as you say and FACTS say they become Muslims to marry Muslim Men whom they fall in love with, and this also proof how Muslim men generally treat their women (thanks), but those women are three categories to be FAIR enough:
1- Most of them become Muslims because they are convinced of that!
2- A lot of them Become Muslim but their faith is not strong
3- Some just embrace Islam to get Married from whom they love but at least they live Islamic way!
you are missing out that many women are persuaded,pressured and sometimes even forced.
Too many times people make out like its the western people doing wrong,converting because they are in love and want to marry,etc and the wrong on the side of th muslim person goes un-noticed.
these countries do not uphold purest Islamic law although they are strict from the cultural perspective.
most of the revert sisters are intelligent enough to understand that these countries do not represent Islam.
I saw an interesting program very recently about Sharia law and whether British Muslims would like to see that introduced in the UK. The investigator, a British Muslim woman, spent time in Nigeria to see how the law was applied and upheld there and what locals thought of it. She was actually dismayed at how the women were treated under this legal system. For instance, A woman’s testimony is not considered valid in adultery cases (except where rape is involved).
The ‘judge’ in the Nigerian Sharia court even condemned the reporter for not wearing a headscarf and for shaking the hand of another man.
The judge, himself a very devout Muslim, would certainly have disagreed if you accused him of not upholding the “purest of Islamic law”. Every ruling he made was with reference to and in accordance with the rules stipulated by the Quran.
format_quote Originally Posted by siFilam
<snip>freedom and rights doesn't mean anything when the society and culture disrespects and degrades women.
It’s easy to say such things when you happen to live in a society whose laws are not governed entirely by religious doctrine isn’t it?
you are missing out that many women are persuaded,pressured and sometimes even forced.
Too many times people make out like its the western people doing wrong,converting because they are in love and want to marry,etc and the wrong on the side of th muslim person goes un-noticed.
Agree with you, and also happens that some of those women feel that they are pressured although their husbands dont pressure but just ask or explain them things related to Islam but they feel that they are pressured!
Peace
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
Holy Qur'an 16:125
I saw an interesting program very recently about Sharia law and whether British Muslims would like to see that introduced in the UK. The investigator, a British Muslim woman, spent time in Nigeria to see how the law was applied and upheld there and what locals thought of it. She was actually dismayed at how the women were treated under this legal system. For instance, A woman’s testimony is not considered valid in adultery cases (except where rape is involved).
The ‘judge’ in the Nigerian Sharia court even condemned the reporter for not wearing a headscarf and for shaking the hand of another man.
The judge, himself a very devout Muslim, would certainly have disagreed if you accused him of not upholding the “purest of Islamic law”. Every ruling he made was with reference to and in accordance with the rules stipulated by the Quran.
It’s easy to say such things when you happen to live in a society whose laws are not governed entirely by religious doctrine isn’t it?
Draco if we begin to take individual stories and bring them here we will not finish, Islam is religion for the benefit of majority of humans, actually it make balance between personal freedom and majority protection!
By the way there is Hijab also for men, it is not only for women!
fact is that those who talk about freedom and especialy freedom of women they dont have what they talk about!
And bringing examples of Poor countries like Nigeria or Afganistan that is faught since in apeard and economicaly faught and surrounded by the whole world is not fair!
May Allah (swt) guide us all!
Peace
Last edited by tarek29; 10-10-2007 at 10:43 AM.
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
Holy Qur'an 16:125
Draco if we begin to take individual stories and bring them here we will not finish, Islam is religion for the benefit of majority of humans, actually it make balance between personal freedom and majority protection!
By the way there is Hijab also for men, it is not only from women!
fact is that those who talk about freedom and especialy freedom of women they dont have what they talk about!
And bringing examples of Poor countries like Nigeria or Afganistan that is faught since in apeard and economicaly faught and surrounded by the whole world is not fair!
May Allah (swt) guide us all!
Peace
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. I'll respond to the bits I can understand.
I have never seen a man wearing a hijab. Let's not try and make claims that really aren't true in practice. You know as well as anyone that men do not wear it, whether they're supposed to or not. In anycase, why should your women need protecting? Shouldn't Islam teach respect for women? Why is it necessary for them to wear protective clothing just to protect them from lustful men who cannot master self control?
What baffles me most is the Muslim women who actually feel happy to wear the hijab. It's oppressive.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. I'll respond to the bits I can understand.
I have never seen a man wearing a hijab. Let's not try and make claims that really aren't true in practice. You know as well as anyone that men do not wear it, whether they're supposed to or not. In anycase, why should your women need protecting? Shouldn't Islam teach respect for women? Why is it necessary for them to wear protective clothing just to protect them from lustful men who cannot master self control?
What baffles me most is the Muslim women who actually feel happy to wear the hijab. It's oppressive.
Perhaps you do not know the difference between a hijab and a niqaab? the Head ware typically worn in Saudi, Palestine and other countries is very similar to a Hijab. As far as the niqaab(face veil) goes it is commonly worn among the Taureg men of North Africa.
Yes, we are taught respect for women. The Hijab is a physical reminder of the respect we have for women. To use an analogy if you had a billion dollars in gold would you keep it in a bank vault or on a table in your front yard? Shouldn't you trust the will power of your neighbors to leave it alone. Any woman is worth many times a billion dollars, why should a billion dollars be treated with more respect than a woman?
A woman is proud and happy to wear a hijab, because she knows she is doing it for Allaah(swt) No man has the right to force a woman to wear it.
I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. I'll respond to the bits I can understand.
I have never seen a man wearing a hijab. Let's not try and make claims that really aren't true in practice. You know as well as anyone that men do not wear it, whether they're supposed to or not. In anycase, why should your women need protecting? Shouldn't Islam teach respect for women? Why is it necessary for them to wear protective clothing just to protect them from lustful men who cannot master self control?
What baffles me most is the Muslim women who actually feel happy to wear the hijab. It's oppressive.
Hijab is more then Just wearing some kind of cloths, see cloths are just part from Hijab!
It is well know that what you wear SHOWS your personality, Muslims (MEN/WOMEN) should were cloths that when someone see them say they are, MUSLIMS and DECENT and RESPECTABLE people, thats why as well as women have to wear some cloths and cover herself, ISLAM says what men should wear and cover themselves also, like for example you cannot pray wearing SHORTS!
If you go to any western (supposed free) country and you walk in streets with your girl friend in very hot day, then you both take of your cloths and walk only with shorts and your chests are naked (man equal to woman) then believe be the police will come to you both and they will arrest HER and not you!
Simply this because MEN are Different then WOMEN thats why their cloths are different and Hijab are different!
So as you see Men and women in ISLAM are equal concerning HIJAB which again means more then only cloths!
And really I dont understand what is the problem if women want to wear Hijab, so that when people see her say this is MUSLIM and DECENT women, not only that she will be treated differently, for example you will not be able to call her names like in (supposed free) countries use words like CHICKS for example, you will not tell her lets go to my home to have some beer etc...!
See there is difference between two women or girls who wake up in the morning:
One chose her closes so that she look decent and respectable and men dont look at her outside beauty!
And Another who wear cloths so that she attract as mush as she can eyes of men etc.... !
feel the difference!?
May Allah (swt) guide us all!
Peace
Last edited by tarek29; 10-10-2007 at 11:24 PM.
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
Holy Qur'an 16:125
Shouldn't Islam teach respect for women? Why is it necessary for them to wear protective clothing just to protect them from lustful men who cannot master self control?
It is illegal in the UK for anyone to rob your house, steal you car or take your wallet.
Why dont you sleep with your doors unlocked and wide open then? Why dont you leave your car unlocked? Why dont you just leave your wallet lying around?
By your logic that is what we should all be doing.
Islam DOES teach respect for women, but that doesnt mean that every male is a Muslim (and therefore wont follow Islamic teachings) and not all Muslims follow the Islamic legislation!
In the countries with the most strickt and purest islamic law, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under taleban, women couldnt go outside home without husband's permission, they couldnt drive cars there or study.
What? Women in Saudi ARE allowed to study! Where on earth are you getting your facts form? As for driving in Saudi, it is a ruling that they made that suites their culture and society, it is not an Islamic ruling.
you are missing out that many women are persuaded,pressured and sometimes even forced.
Too many times people make out like its the western people doing wrong,converting because they are in love and want to marry,etc and the wrong on the side of th muslim person goes un-noticed.
I certainly agree with you sister.
A lot of revertion has happened in USA, and for once im a American revert Alhmdulilah. Im proud of it.. But majority of reverts in USA do get punished for reverting (speaking from my own personal)..
All i want to say is im proud to be a muslim now!!!
I have never seen a man wearing a hijab. Let's not try and make claims that really aren't true in practice. You know as well as anyone that men do not wear it, whether they're supposed to or not.
Really? You've never seen a man with a Islamic cap on his head? A man with long beard? A man with his trousers above the ankles? Or even man wearing Khamis?! Could it perhaps be that you’re ignorant of what a male Hijab acutally is? Hijab is not merely the piece of cloth on Muslim women head! There is more to the Hijab.
In anycase, why should your women need protecting? Shouldn't Islam teach respect for women? Why is it necessary for them to wear protective clothing just to protect them from lustful men who cannot master self control?
Islaam recognizes that there is a difference between men and women. We are not the same physically etc Allah is our creater thus knows what is best for us after the Creator knows His creation the best. We as believers hear and obey. The Hijab is a commandment from Allah, High above is He. The man has his Hijab and likewise the woman.
What baffles me most is the Muslim women who actually feel happy to wear the hijab. It's oppressive.
This is laughable. Us Muslim are not complaining. So why don't you leave us alone to our so called "oppressive Hijab" and concern yourself with yourself. It is people who are knowledge produces of us, we (muslim women) certainly have not produced this.
To add to what has been said. I would not be responsible for what my daughter would do to any man who tried to make her take her hijab off.
My 7 year old grand daughter cries when she can not find a hijab to wear to school in the morning. In spite of what most non-muslims think, Muslim women are proud to wear the hijab. It even goes beyond cultural pressure. My daughter and grand daughter are under no pressure to wear it. Just the opposite there is very much pressure for them not to wear it.
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In the countries with the most strickt and purest islamic law, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under taleban, women couldnt go outside home without husband's permission, they couldnt drive cars there or study.Note that most of women who convert to islam, do it to marry a muslim man, and they mostly stay in western countries, so they can stilluse the freedom and rights that those countries give them.When husband takes the wife to muslim country, it often happens that the marriage is broken, because the wife must obey they rules and burdens that she wasnt aware of.I know many examples of this from my country.
Seriously, are they still allowing stupidity to roam free? Ramadan's not even over yet, and I'm already starting to feel the brunt of idiocy again.
What baffles me most is the Muslim women who actually feel happy to wear the hijab. It's oppressive.
You think that Muslim women are oppressed because they wear hijab? And I suppose you think that American women, many of whom wear immodest clothing, are "liberated"? So the more clothing one takes off, the more "liberated" one is? I suppose that means that porn stars are the most liberated women.
Covering the head is not just an Islamic custom. Christians used to do it, too. Tertullian wrote a whole book about this, called On the Veiling of Virgins. In it he exhorts women to cover their heads whenever they go out, as does John Chrysostom, one of the great Church Fathers. Some Russian Orthodox Christian women cover their heads all the time when they go out. The reason that Christian women don't cover their heads now is due to fashion. Christianity is just a religion, not a complete way of life like Islam is. While their Bible tells women to dress modestly, and Deuteronomy 22:5 condemns women wearing men's clothes, most Christians don't take these commandments seriously and disregard them. The average Christian woman in the West would be virtually indistinguishable from the average atheist woman.
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