Muslim Youths

**Iftikhar** · 08-24-2008

Muslim Youths

Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist because they have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British schooling. Muslim children are confused because they are being educated in a wrong place at a wrong time in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They face lots of problems of growing up in two distinctive cultural traditions and value systems, which may come into conflict over issues such as the role of women in the society, and adherence to religious and cultural traditions. The conflicting demands made by home and schools on behaviour, loyalties and obligations can be a source of psychological conflict and tension in Muslim youngsters. There are also the issues of racial prejudice and discrimination to deal with, in education and employment. They have been victim of racism and bullying in all walks of life. According to DCSF, 56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children has been victims of bullies. The first wave of Muslim migrants were happy to send their children to state schools, thinking their children would get a much better education. Than little by little, the overt and covert discrimination in the system turned them off. There are fifteen areas where Muslim parents find themselves offended by state schools.

The right to education in one’s own comfort zone is a fundamental and inalienable human right that should be available to all people irrespective of their ethnicity or religious background. Schools do not belong to state, they belong to parents. It is the parents’ choice to have faith schools for their children. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim teacher or a child in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. An ICM Poll of British Muslims showed that nearly half wanted their children to attend Muslim schools. There are only 143 Muslim schools. A state funded Muslim school in Birmingham has 220 pupils and more than 1000 applicants chasing just 60.

Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim
culture--the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

**Dawud_uk** · 01-19-2009

this wouldnt work if the school was just the same as the other schools around it, if however it had a better ethos and behaviour of students, exam results and the children were coming out better than the other schools around them then over time non muslims would send their kids.

i have heard this has happened in some inner city islamic schools in america, that the non muslims will send their children to be educated there even though he/she is at risk of becomming muslim because the other schools are so dire.

**Banu_Hashim** · 01-19-2009

When I was younger, I went to a Roman Catholic Primary School, as opposed to the other 'normal' primary schools in the area. This was partly because as a faith school it had more discipline and a respectful ethos. I think me and my sister were the only Muslims at the time, and in hindsight it was quite a good school compared to other ones.

**north_malaysian** · 01-19-2009

Originally Posted by Podarok

Was that in the US? :X
Sorry, I was talking about here where anyone finds anything over which to file a lawsuit.

nope.. in Malaysia...

there are Muslims in Christian missionary schools too...

**Whatsthepoint** · 01-19-2009

Originally Posted by Iftikhar

In my opinion, Multifaith school is not going to be successful because non-Muslim parents would not send their children. In the past, a plan for a Multi-faith secondary school in Westminster for 1000 pupils could not be materialised because faith groups could not come to any agreement. Now even Hindu community has set up state funded school in Harrow. Black community is also thinking of setting up its own school with Black teachers..

That's just stupid and can only lead into further segregation.

**The Ruler** · 01-19-2009

What exactly do they mean by a multi-faith school?

Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

That's just stupid and can only lead into further segregation.

Agreed. Not only that, but the idea of the Black community setting up schools with Black teachers would mean the return of apartheid.

**MO783** · 01-19-2009

I think its good to have multi faith schools. just have to make sure they follow the guidelines set by the goverments just not to give them any excuse

**Al-Zaara** · 01-19-2009

I've attended Swedish speaking schools here in Finland, mixed with Christians and 4-5 Muslims in the whole school.
Us, who were non-Christian (Evangelic Lutheran and Orthodox Christians), were taught this awesome subject, roughly translated, 'Outlook on life'.

I'd recommend every child to attend classes like that.

**Whatsthepoint** · 01-19-2009

Originally Posted by Al-Zaara

I've attended Swedish speaking schools here in Finland, mixed with Christians and 4-5 Muslims in the whole school.
Us, who were non-Christian (Evangelic Lutheran and Orthodox Christians), were taught this awesome subject, roughly translated, 'Outlook on life'.

I'd recommend every child to attend classes like that.

Why did you choose to attend Swedish schools if you don't mind my asking?

**Al-Zaara** · 01-19-2009

Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

Why did you choose to attend Swedish schools if you don't mind my asking?

My parents decided so. To be able to speak both national languages. One of the best things they've ever done to me, elhamdulillah.

**north_malaysian** · 01-20-2009

Originally Posted by Al-Zaara

I've attended Swedish speaking schools here in Finland, mixed with Christians and 4-5 Muslims in the whole school.
Us, who were non-Christian (Evangelic Lutheran and Orthodox Christians), were taught this awesome subject, roughly translated, 'Outlook on life'.

I'd recommend every child to attend classes like that.

in our public schools, all Muslim students must attend religious classes while the non-Muslims must attend "Moral Education" classes... the non-Muslims also can choose to attend "Bible Knowledge" classes too... if it's offered by the school

Every school that has a minimum of 5 Muslim students must have at least one Islamic religious teacher and it's a trend today for the Muslims to send their kids to Chinese schools (Mandarin as medium of instruction)..

**Silver** · 01-20-2009

I do think that non-muslim parents would not send their children. Where, I live there is a muslim school and it's one of the best schools in the area but there are almost no christians that go to that school. Their parents refuse to let them go to a muslim school even though it has a great academic level...they even refuse to let them go to public schools where most students are muslims. So even if they don't have enough money, they will enroll their kids in private schools...
I went to a catholic school and 60% of the students were muslims! The other christian schools all had a lot of muslim students... When they would go and study things about the christian faith, we'd do other activities. It was ok and I loved my school...

**Al-Zaara** · 01-20-2009

Originally Posted by north_malaysian

in our public schools, all Muslim students must attend religious classes while the non-Muslims must attend "Moral Education" classes... the non-Muslims also can choose to attend "Bible Knowledge" classes too... if it's offered by the school

Just like us, but the other way around. I got the ability to attend Islamic classes aswell, elhamdulillah. Can Muslims attend the "Moral Education" classes? And what does "Moral Education" include?

**Iftikhar** · 01-20-2009

Salaam

The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos.Parents see Muslim schools where
children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel
stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith.
Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities.
There is a belief among ethnic minority parens that the British schooling
does not adequatly address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need
could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded.
Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response.

State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to
bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to
such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of of
studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is
ignored.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslims
have the right to educate their children in an environment that suits their
culture. This notion of "integration", actually means "assimilation", by
which people generally really mean "be more like me". That is not
multiculturalism. In Sydney, Muslims were refused to build a Muslim school,
because of a protest by the residents. Yet a year later, permission was
given for the building of a Catholic school and no protests from the
residents. This clrearly shows the blatant hypocrisy, double standards and
racism. Christians oppose Muslim schools in western countries yet build
their own religious schools.

British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional
racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop
self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leave schools
with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native
child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change
the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. It is not only the
common man, even member of the royal family is involved in racism. The
father of a Pakistani office cadet who was called a "Paki" by Prince Harry
has profoundly condemned his actions. He had felt proud when he met the
Queen and the Prince of Wales at his son's passing out parade at Sandhurst
in 2006 but now felt upset after learning about the Prince's comments. Queen
Victoria invited an Imam from India to teach her Urdu language. He was
highly respected by the Queen but other members of the royal family had no
respect for him. He was forced to go back to India. His protrait is still in
one of the royal places.

Thee are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In
my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools
with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or
a teacher in a Muslim school.

**Dawud_uk** · 01-20-2009

Originally Posted by Iftikhar

Salaam

The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos.Parents see Muslim schools where
children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel
stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith.
Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities.
There is a belief among ethnic minority parens that the British schooling
does not adequatly address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need
could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded.
Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response.

State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to
bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to
such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of of
studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is
ignored.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslims
have the right to educate their children in an environment that suits their
culture. This notion of "integration", actually means "assimilation", by
which people generally really mean "be more like me". That is not
multiculturalism. In Sydney, Muslims were refused to build a Muslim school,
because of a protest by the residents. Yet a year later, permission was
given for the building of a Catholic school and no protests from the
residents. This clrearly shows the blatant hypocrisy, double standards and
racism. Christians oppose Muslim schools in western countries yet build
their own religious schools.

British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional
racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop
self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leave schools
with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native
child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change
the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. It is not only the
common man, even member of the royal family is involved in racism. The
father of a Pakistani office cadet who was called a "Paki" by Prince Harry
has profoundly condemned his actions. He had felt proud when he met the
Queen and the Prince of Wales at his son's passing out parade at Sandhurst
in 2006 but now felt upset after learning about the Prince's comments. Queen
Victoria invited an Imam from India to teach her Urdu language. He was
highly respected by the Queen but other members of the royal family had no
respect for him. He was forced to go back to India. His protrait is still in
one of the royal places.

Thee are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In
my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools
with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or
a teacher in a Muslim school.

asabiyyah live and well on this board it seems,

so english people are inherently racist? this is extremely insulting to every revert and non muslim on this board.

there are those who wish that the muslims should intergrate, intergration meaning we mix all together and some mish mash comes out the other end, but that means giving up some of our islamic indentity.

others say (like the poster here it seems) we should isolate, cut ourselves off from the non muslims, but that means giving up our fard duty to give da'wah and to be frank if you are not going to give da'wah you've got no business living in darul kufr.

finally... there are those who call for interaction, not to lose our own islamic indentity but not to isolate ourselves either, this is the middle path of islam not the moderist intergration or the cultural jahil attitude of isolation.

**Thinker** · 01-20-2009

Originally Posted by Iftikhar

. Multi-faith Schools

In my opinion, Multifaith school is not going to be successful because non-Muslim parents would not send their children.

Do NOT agree with you there. It depends on where the school is and what is available but I believe most British parents would choose the school offering the best education no matter what the religion was. When I was younger I knew of people sending their children to the jewish school for that very reason. It wasn't that the teachers were any better, it was because they filtered out disruptive children from applicants.

**Iftikhar** · 02-06-2009

The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos.Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith.
Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities. There is a belief among ethnic minority parens that the British schooling does not adequatly address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response.

State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslims have the right to educate their children in an environment that suits their culture. This notion of "integration", actually means "assimilation", by which people generally really mean "be more like me". That is not multiculturalism. In Sydney, Muslims were refused to build a Muslim school, because of a protest by the residents. Yet a year later, permission was given for the building of a Catholic school and no protests from the residents. This clrearly shows the blatant hypocrisy, double standards and racism. Christians oppose Muslim schools in western countries yet build their own religious schools.

British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop
self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leave schools with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. It is not only the common man, even member of the royal family is involved in racism. The father of a Pakistani office cadet who was called a "Paki" by Prince Harry
has profoundly condemned his actions. He had felt proud when he met the Queen and the Prince of Wales at his son's passing out parade at Sandhurst in 2006 but now felt upset after learning about the Prince's comments. Queen Victoria invited an Imam from India to teach her Urdu language. He was highly respected by the Queen but other members of the royal family had no respect for him. He was forced to go back to India. His protrait is still in one of the royal places.

There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

**Iftikhar** · 03-20-2009

The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos.Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith.
Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities.
There is a belief among ethnic minority parens that the British schooling
does not adequatly address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response.

State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslims
have the right to educate their children in an environment that suits their
culture. This notion of "integration", actually means "assimilation", by
which people generally really mean "be more like me". That is not
multiculturalism. In Sydney, Muslims were refused to build a Muslim school,
because of a protest by the residents. Yet a year later, permission was
given for the building of a Catholic school and no protests from the
residents. This clrearly shows the blatant hypocrisy, double standards and racism. Christians oppose Muslim schools in western countries yet build
their own religious schools.

British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional
racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop
self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leave schools with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. It is not only the common man, even member of the royal family is involved in racism. The
father of a Pakistani office cadet who was called a "Paki" by Prince Harry
has profoundly condemned his actions. He had felt proud when he met the
Queen and the Prince of Wales at his son's passing out parade at Sandhurst
in 2006 but now felt upset after learning about the Prince's comments. Queen Victoria invited an Imam from India to teach her Urdu language. He was highly respected by the Queen but other members of the royal family had no respect for him. He was forced to go back to India. His protrait is still in one of the royal places.

There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

**Dawud_uk** · 03-21-2009

Originally Posted by Iftikhar

The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos.Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith.
Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities.
There is a belief among ethnic minority parens that the British schooling
does not adequatly address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response.

State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslims
have the right to educate their children in an environment that suits their
culture. This notion of "integration", actually means "assimilation", by
which people generally really mean "be more like me". That is not
multiculturalism. In Sydney, Muslims were refused to build a Muslim school,
because of a protest by the residents. Yet a year later, permission was
given for the building of a Catholic school and no protests from the
residents. This clrearly shows the blatant hypocrisy, double standards and racism. Christians oppose Muslim schools in western countries yet build
their own religious schools.

British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional
racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop
self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leave schools with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. It is not only the common man, even member of the royal family is involved in racism. The
father of a Pakistani office cadet who was called a "Paki" by Prince Harry
has profoundly condemned his actions. He had felt proud when he met the
Queen and the Prince of Wales at his son's passing out parade at Sandhurst
in 2006 but now felt upset after learning about the Prince's comments. Queen Victoria invited an Imam from India to teach her Urdu language. He was highly respected by the Queen but other members of the royal family had no respect for him. He was forced to go back to India. His protrait is still in one of the royal places.

There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

as one of those native born children you consider to have the virus or gene for racism i find your post offensive and bizzare.

**Thinker** · 03-21-2009

Originally Posted by Iftikhar

Muslims have the right to educate their children in an environment that suits their culture.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Indeed they do, that's one of the benefits you get from living in a country that respects and grants individuals rights and freedom but what makes you think that it must be funded by non-Muslims?

And if conditions are so bad and you can't get the education you feel your children deserve and this issue is so important to you why not move to a Muslim country?

**Snowflake** · 03-21-2009

Originally Posted by Dawud_uk

as one of those native born children you consider to have the virus or gene for racism i find your post offensive and bizzare.

likewise! Britain is a great country and gives ethnic minorities more rights than ethnic minorities in "muslim" countries get. Truth hurts, doesn't it? Education begins at home. It's funny how parents don't teach their children about Islam and culture at home and then moan about them losing their identity in non-muslim schools.