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    Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist because they have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British schooling. Muslim children are confused because they are being educated in a wrong place at a wrong time in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They face lots of problems of growing up in two distinctive cultural traditions and value systems, which may come into conflict over issues such as the role of women in the society, and adherence to religious and cultural traditions. The conflicting demands made by home and schools on behaviour, loyalties and obligations can be a source of psychological conflict and tension in Muslim youngsters. There are also the issues of racial prejudice and discrimination to deal with, in education and employment. They have been victim of racism and bullying in all walks of life. According to DCSF, 56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children has been victims of bullies. The first wave of Muslim migrants were happy to send their children to state schools, thinking their children would get a much better education. Than little by little, the overt and covert discrimination in the system turned them off. There are fifteen areas where Muslim parents find themselves offended by state schools.

    The right to education in one’s own comfort zone is a fundamental and inalienable human right that should be available to all people irrespective of their ethnicity or religious background. Schools do not belong to state, they belong to parents. It is the parents’ choice to have faith schools for their children. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim teacher or a child in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. An ICM Poll of British Muslims showed that nearly half wanted their children to attend Muslim schools. There are only 143 Muslim schools. A state funded Muslim school in Birmingham has 220 pupils and more than 1000 applicants chasing just 60.

    Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim
    culture--the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scents of Jannah View Post
    likewise! Britain is a great country and gives ethnic minorities more rights than ethnic minorities in "muslim" countries get. Truth hurts, doesn't it? Education begins at home. It's funny how parents don't teach their children about Islam and culture at home and then moan about them losing their identity in non-muslim schools.

    Well said.

    I have to admit my daughter goes to a Muslim school that is costing us an arm and a leg but I wouldn't expect the Govt to pay for it.

    England is a great country and the people in general are very fair... even though there are some very racist people where I live it doesn't bother me.

    Overall this is a great country! Compare it to France where the Hijab has been banned.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

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    as one of those native born children you consider to have the virus or gene for racism i find your post offensive and bizzare.

    Me too, I am a white English revert. I am sick to the back teeth of both asian and white English people expecting me to be rascist, never have been and never will be. I get white people sying things to me that are rascist when they dont know me but expect me to agree with their veiws and I see the contempt in the eyes of some Muslims who think they are looking at some sort of white devil !!! I think some of it must be the way I look-15 stone, shaved head, 6ft etc. The most bizzarre thing is that the real respect I witnessed face to face with both races has been on the mat in TKD when trying to anihalate each other ! I think all faiths should be available at both mixed faith and single faith schools then we can take out choices on merit of individual familly ethics. What I suggest the thread starter does is examine why he thinks all our kids are born with rascist genes, he may have made a genuine mistake, if not BOO im watching you and your kind.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    And if conditions are so bad and you can't get the education you feel your children deserve and this issue is so important to you why not move to a Muslim country?
    IMHO, I think he's right. Better than having everybody complaining of how we muslims stay in their lands and wear the Niqab and the Hijab and grow beards and do all sorts of muslim stuff, I would say give up the nice living and come back to your homeland and live with dignity.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    Would Muslim countries really offer a better standard of Islamic education than can be provided here?
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    If youre asking me I donnow, but I just was pointing out that you will have to deal with people saying stuff like this :

    Indeed they do, that's one of the benefits you get from living in a country that respects and grants individuals rights and freedom but what makes you think that it must be funded by non-Muslims?
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools



    i dont have an issue with islamic faith schools, but this is the same as other faiths get already.

    what i have a problem with is muslim schools, not islamic schools. schools which follow a particular muslim culture not an overall islamic one.

    its not really relevent to me anyway as i plan on homeschooling inshallah and am opting out of the school system as flawed and messed up as it is.

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    State Funded Muslim Schools

    The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos.Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith.
    Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities.

    There is a belief among ethnic minority parens that the British schooling does not adequatly address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response.

    State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored.

    Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslims
    have the right to educate their children in an environment that suits their culture. This notion of "integration", actually means "assimilation", by which people generally really mean "be more like me". That is not
    multiculturalism. In Sydney, Muslims were refused to build a Muslim school, because of a protest by the residents. Yet a year later, permission was
    given for the building of a Catholic school and no protests from the residents. This clrearly shows the blatant hypocrisy, double standards and racism. Christians oppose Muslim schools in western countries yet build
    their own religious schools.

    British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional racism. The result is that Muslim children are unable to develop self-confidence and self-esteem, therefore, majority of them leave schools with low grades. Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different. It is not only the common man, even member of the royal family is involved in racism. The
    father of a Pakistani office cadet who was called a "***" by Prince Harry has profoundly condemned his actions. He had felt proud when he met the Queen and the Prince of Wales at his son's passing out parade at Sandhurst
    in 2006 but now felt upset after learning about the Prince's comments. Queen Victoria invited an Imam from India to teach her Urdu language. He was highly respected by the Queen but other members of the royal family had no respect for him. He was forced to go back to India. His protrait is still in one of the royal places.

    There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools with bilingual Muslim teachers. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    all religious schools should be private funded.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    i did a really long and tedious essay on this subject.

    There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school
    i really disagree! why do u feel this?
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools



    i know you are well intentioned by your efforts to keep reposting this article over and over to get publicity for your cause but could i please ask you to change the part where you say every native child is born with the seed of racism?

    this society is racist and corrupt i agree, but to say every british child is born racist is not only incorrect but going against the principles of the deen where we are told every child is born upon the fitrah, being muslim.

    it is also a very offensive comment to make to any revert reading it and i know plenty of arabs, pakistanis, bangladeshis etc who are racist but i wouldnt say they are born this way, just raised by ignorant parents who didnt know better and just taught them to hate the gori out of ignorance.

    we are muslims because of our way of life, not because of skin colour or language or culture.

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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by burdenofbeing View Post
    all religious schools should be private funded.
    Agreed. Thanks
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sahabiyaat View Post



    i really disagree! why do u feel this?
    So do I. Also any idea how many non Catholics go to catholic school?
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    Greetings,
    format_quote Originally Posted by burdenofbeing View Post
    all religious schools should be private funded.
    Absolutely right.

    Muslim funded Muslim schools should be the aim. Personally I disagree with any religiously motivated schooling, but I accept that many people want it. If they want to put their children through that, then who am I to stop them? Just don't expect me and other taxpayers to be happy about paying for it.

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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    whilst i agree that it is nice to have state funded muslim schools, they way you have written this article to make it seem like muslims should live in a cocoon in a school is wrong. no non muslim teachers or students? yet you say:

    Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities.
    that wont create a bridge unless the bridge has a whole in the middle.

    and what is going to happen when these kids go into the big bad world and are sorrounded by non muslims in college/university and work etc?
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    i agree with state funded Muslim schools. i go to one 2
    the thing with some of the private ones are, the education with regards to the national curriculum is not always up to standards and nor are the facilities.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Iftikhar View Post
    State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children.
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    Why must my taxes pay for a foreigner to learn English?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Iftikhar View Post
    This notion of "integration", actually means "assimilation", by which people generally really mean "be more like me". That is not
    multiculturalism.
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    Multiculturalism has been recognised as divisive and no longer a policy of any political party; the new policy is ‘integration.’

    format_quote Originally Posted by Iftikhar View Post
    British schooling and the British society is the home of institutional racism.
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    What utter rubbish and Islam and Muslims are not a race.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Iftikhar View Post
    Racism is deeply rooted in British society. Every native child is born with a gene or virus of racism, therefore, no law could change the attitudes of racism towards those who are different.
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    That statement is racist; hence you are racist.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Iftikhar View Post
    There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.
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    You can’t have a state funded school that refuses entry to a child of any other religion, you can show preference to those who are of the religion of that school but the school MUST include children of other religions; that’s the law. I have a friend who works in the education department of a city in the UK who told me about a Jewish school under his jurisdiction where the non-Jewish children out-number the Jewish children and a sizeable number of the non-Jewish children are Muslim.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by ATHEISTofPEACE View Post
    So do I. Also any idea how many non Catholics go to catholic school?
    In the UK the majority of Muslims attend Catholic schools
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
    In the UK the majority of Muslims attend Catholic schools
    do you have any evidence for that statement or did you just hear it somewhere?

    it has never been my experience living here to find muslims attending catholic schools, church of england schools yes, as they dont really teach religion but i know only a handful of muslim families who send their kids to catholic schools.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk View Post
    do you have any evidence for that statement or did you just hear it somewhere?

    it has never been my experience living here to find muslims attending catholic schools, church of england schools yes, as they dont really teach religion but i know only a handful of muslim families who send their kids to catholic schools.
    I do . . . . . as I stated I have a friend who works in the department of education and he told me that because Catholic schools have some single sex schools they are often the preferred placings for Muslims.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    I wonder whether the majority of Muslims living in the UK are actually religious? I strongly doubt that there are any statistics on this though.
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