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    Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist because they have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British schooling. Muslim children are confused because they are being educated in a wrong place at a wrong time in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They face lots of problems of growing up in two distinctive cultural traditions and value systems, which may come into conflict over issues such as the role of women in the society, and adherence to religious and cultural traditions. The conflicting demands made by home and schools on behaviour, loyalties and obligations can be a source of psychological conflict and tension in Muslim youngsters. There are also the issues of racial prejudice and discrimination to deal with, in education and employment. They have been victim of racism and bullying in all walks of life. According to DCSF, 56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children has been victims of bullies. The first wave of Muslim migrants were happy to send their children to state schools, thinking their children would get a much better education. Than little by little, the overt and covert discrimination in the system turned them off. There are fifteen areas where Muslim parents find themselves offended by state schools.

    The right to education in one’s own comfort zone is a fundamental and inalienable human right that should be available to all people irrespective of their ethnicity or religious background. Schools do not belong to state, they belong to parents. It is the parents’ choice to have faith schools for their children. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim teacher or a child in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. An ICM Poll of British Muslims showed that nearly half wanted their children to attend Muslim schools. There are only 143 Muslim schools. A state funded Muslim school in Birmingham has 220 pupils and more than 1000 applicants chasing just 60.

    Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim
    culture--the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture.
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    Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist because they have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British schooling. Muslim children are confused because they are being educated in a wrong place at a wrong time in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They face lots of problems of growing up in two distinctive cultural traditions and value systems, which may come into conflict over issues such as the role of women in the society, and adherence to religious and cultural traditions. The conflicting demands made by home and schools on behaviour, loyalties and obligations can be a source of psychological conflict and tension in Muslim youngsters. There are also the issues of racial prejudice and discrimination to deal with, in education and employment. They have been victim of racism and bullying in all walks of life. According to DCSF, 56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children has been victims of bullies. The first wave of Muslim migrants were happy to send their children to state schools, thinking their children would get a much better education. Than little by little, the overt and covert discrimination in the system turned them off. There are fifteen areas where Muslim parents find themselves offended by state schools.

    The right to education in one’s own comfort zone is a fundamental and inalienable human right that should be available to all people irrespective of their ethnicity or religious background. Schools do not belong to state, they belong to parents. It is the parents’ choice to have faith schools for their children. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim teacher or a child in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. An ICM Poll of British Muslims showed that nearly half wanted their children to attend Muslim schools. There are only 143 Muslim schools. A state funded Muslim school in Birmingham has 220 pupils and more than 1000 applicants chasing just 60.

    Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim
    culture--the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture.
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    State Funded Muslim Schools

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    British schooling has been mis-educating and de-educating Muslim children for the last 50 years and for the first time the Muslim leadership openly declared that British school is a home of institutional racism where there is no place for foreign culture and languages. Institutional racism is depriving Muslim children of the chance to go to their own faith schools. It leads LEAs to reject or delay approval of Muslim schools. Policy makers like Mr. Graham Lane and others like him do not want to see even a single Muslim school in the United Kingdom. The British teachers have no respect for Islamic faith and Muslim community. Western education system can easily deprogram Muslim children and force them to adopt un-Islamic values. Let the Muslim parents decides how and where to educate their children. According to MORI social research institute on behalf of Bristol LEA, nine out of ten Muslim parents agreed with the model of an Islamic secondary school set up within the state system. I rejected British schooling for Muslim children in the early 70s.

    A child who has English as a second language is seen as having a special need – not as having a skill to be lauded from the rooftops. Bilingual children think in different way. Language has a profound effect in shaping the ways people think and act. Certain concepts are embedded in words that do not translate. There are repertoires of phrases which exist in Arabic or Urdu because there is no English equivalent. State schools are slaughter houses and are not suitable for bilingual Muslim children. Muslim children in the UK may lose out when they join reception classes because the school’s values and language reflect those of the dominant native culture, rather than those of their home. Almost all recent research literature agrees that if you want children whose home language is not English to excel in English –medium schools, it is important to nurture and acknowledge that first language along side their English development. Cultivating bilingualism could and should promote pupil’s linguistic development. Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models.

    Taxpayers’ money spent on schools should be handed to parents as vouchers to be used for their children’s education as they wished. Funds may be given to parents to set up their own schools. Lady Uddin argues strongly for the benefits of faith-based schooling, rejecting claims made in reports on the 2001 riots in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford that polarised schooling contributed to community division. Culturally separate groups, communities and institutions do not have to be the causes of social instability. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools to be managed and controlled by Muslim Educational Trust and Charities.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools



    The Private Islamic School I went to is now State-Funded.

    The best thing they ever did.

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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    The state should not finance religious/ideological education.
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    In 20 years, the UK will be under water, so, no more UK and no more worries
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    The state should not finance religious/ideological education.
    Funny you should say that lol

    I think The state should not finance Atheist/ideological education
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamayun View Post
    Funny you should say that lol

    I think The state should not finance Atheist/ideological education
    I agree with You, but on the other hand, if You see England as one of the best places to live, it is also due to their education and schools (but probably the exclusive, private ones).
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    Don't get me wrong England is an amazing country. I admire the English people.

    I was just trying to make a point that there are always two sides to a story.

    We can agree to disagree but making statements like "The state should not finance religious/ideological education." is imposing ones ideology on the other.

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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamayun View Post
    Don't get me wrong England is an amazing country. I admire the English people.

    I was just trying to make a point that there are always two sides to a story.

    We can agree to disagree but making statements like "The state should not finance religious/ideological education." is imposing ones ideology on the other.

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    Here I agree with You, as modern radical atheism is no more than fundamentalist ideology.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamayun View Post
    Funny you should say that lol

    I think The state should not finance Atheist/ideological education
    I agree, it shouldn't finance atheist education. What it should finance is secular education. I admit secularism is an ideology, so my statement is inappropriate.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Iftikhar View Post
    State Funded Muslim Schools

    British schooling has been mis-educating and de-educating Muslim children for the last 50 years and for the first time the Muslim leadership openly declared that British school is a home of institutional racism where there is no place for foreign culture and languages.
    Some of my relatives go to a state-funded secondary school where they learn Religious Studies and either French or German (they have a choice, but they must have lessons in one of those languages). Granted, they're European rather than Asian languages, but some schools do indeed offer Urdu/Hindi or Punjabi GCSEs.

    Institutional racism is depriving Muslim children of the chance to go to their own faith schools. It leads LEAs to reject or delay approval of Muslim schools. Policy makers like Mr. Graham Lane and others like him do not want to see even a single Muslim school in the United Kingdom.
    The irony is I live down the street from one.

    The British teachers have no respect for Islamic faith and Muslim community.
    Quite a sweeping statement. All my teachers had respect for Muslims, and Islam was afforded the proper respect in religious education lessons.

    It's other students who might 'lack respect' for Islam and Muslims...

    Western education system can easily deprogram Muslim children and force them to adopt un-Islamic values. Let the Muslim parents decides how and where to educate their children. According to MORI social research institute on behalf of Bristol LEA, nine out of ten Muslim parents agreed with the model of an Islamic secondary school set up within the state system. I rejected British schooling for Muslim children in the early 70s.
    Then send them to an Islamic school. Nobody is stopping this person from doing that.

    A child who has English as a second language is seen as having a special need – not as having a skill to be lauded from the rooftops. Bilingual children think in different way. Language has a profound effect in shaping the ways people think and act. Certain concepts are embedded in words that do not translate. There are repertoires of phrases which exist in Arabic or Urdu because there is no English equivalent. State schools are slaughter houses and are not suitable for bilingual Muslim children. Muslim children in the UK may lose out when they join reception classes because the school’s values and language reflect those of the dominant native culture, rather than those of their home. Almost all recent research literature agrees that if you want children whose home language is not English to excel in English –medium schools, it is important to nurture and acknowledge that first language along side their English development. Cultivating bilingualism could and should promote pupil’s linguistic development. Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models.
    What? If the child's first language is not the dominant language of the country, then by all means, have them taught by bilingual teachers. I don't see how this is a failing of the state school system.

    Taxpayers’ money spent on schools should be handed to parents as vouchers to be used for their children’s education as they wished.
    Huh? If you're getting the money* back in the form of a voucher**, why spend it in the first place?

    *which you can spend in any way you wish.

    **which you can only spend in one way.

    Funds may be given to parents to set up their own schools.
    Private schools are not publically funded.

    Lady Uddin argues strongly for the benefits of faith-based schooling, rejecting claims made in reports on the 2001 riots in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford that polarised schooling contributed to community division. Culturally separate groups, communities and institutions do not have to be the causes of social instability. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools to be managed and controlled by Muslim Educational Trust and Charities.
    Why? By that line of logic, all state schools would be managed and controlled by the dominant religion of their pupils, rather than a uniform curriculum.

    By all means, open faith schools, but asking for them to be state-funded is silly.

    The Private Islamic School I went to is now State-Funded.

    The best thing they ever did.
    Oh? Cool. I did not know they could do that. I'm silly for saying 'asking for them to be state-funded is silly'.
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    Post Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Iftikhar View Post
    [...]for the first time the Muslim leadership openly declared that British school is a home of institutional racism where there is no place for foreign culture and languages.

    1. Muslim leadership?!oh: Quick, somebody tell me what happened over the last ten minutes!!!

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    It seems like they are ranting over nothing and trying to rock the boat. All (or most of) the flaws in the secular education system related to Muslims/Islam either can't be solved (racist kids, people turning into gangsta thugs, bullying), or won't be solved simply due to the secular nature of both the schools and Britain itself. As Muzzein said, for most issues, if you don't like it then go to an Islamic school.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    We Muslims are gonna lose credibility if we keep "Crying Wolf!" all the time!

    We can't just use the "racist"card whenever we feel like

    We Muslims need to stop whining!!!! If you are living in a Western Country be grateful to them for letting you in with open arms.

    Do you spit in the same plate you eat in?

    Rather than being an example for others to follow we spend all our time pointing fingers at the "Kaafirs" and condemning them to death.

    When you are surrounded by darkness, cursing the darkness will not help... you need to become the beacon that spreads light...
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    What's wrong with having an Islamic school which is state-funded?

    It saves alot of money for the parents. It's like £1000+ annual fee if it's private...
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hanz View Post
    What's wrong with having an Islamic school which is state-funded?

    It saves alot of money for the parents. It's like £1000+ annual fee if it's private...
    Why not make every private school public funded? Some parents could save tens of thousands of pounds per year.
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    I don't see your point...?
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    The state should not finance religious/ideological education.
    Might be a bit idealistic but shouldnt all walks be represented in a democracy then people be helped to make an informed desiscion
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hanz View Post
    I don't see your point...?
    My point was that it's the parents choice to send their children to a private school instead of a public one, so they should pay for it themselves.e exceedingly higher
    Besides, if the state decides to publically fund religious schools what's preventing it from funding elite private school, tution fees of which are much higher.
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    Re: State Funded Muslim Schools

    format_quote Originally Posted by TKTony View Post
    Might be a bit idealistic but shouldnt all walks be represented in a democracy then people be helped to make an informed desiscion
    All walks should be represented, however the state shouldn't be expected to pay for them.
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