Do you know how to save someone's life?

format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist

I have no CPR certification as of yet.

Since we are at it, what would Islamic ethics dictate if the victim is a non-mehram female and the only available help is a religious Muslim male? Is he allowed to strip open her tops for giving CPR in such an emergency situation? hmmmm.

Necessity overrides prohibition but that is in fact if you know what you are doing is going to save someone life and not simple cater to a quick perversion!

you should read this on Islamic medical ethics..

http://www.emro.who.int/morocco/docs...mic_Ethics.pdf

and Allah swt knows best..

format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

Necessity overrides prohibition but that is in fact if you know what you are doing is going to save someone life and not simple cater to a quick perversion!

you should read this on Islamic medical ethics..

http://www.emro.who.int/morocco/docs...mic_Ethics.pdf

and Allah swt knows best..

jazakAllah for that. That is what I thought too because we are humans first, and then Muslims. Some brothers although say that we are Muslims first and then humans.

The counter-argument is that maybe its a test from Allah (swt) to put a Muslim religious male in that situation to see if he will have inappropriate glances. How do I counter that?

format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist

jazakAllah for that. That is what I thought too because we are humans first, and then Muslims. Some brothers although say that we are Muslims first and then humans.

The counter-argument is that maybe its a test from Allah (swt) to put a Muslim religious male in that situation to see if he will have inappropriate glances. How do I counter that?

you should read the PDF I included insha'Allah in full and then ask questions as pertain to medical ethics which doesn't differ all that much from Islamic medical ethics:

Al-Ghazali considered the profession of medicine as (fardh - Kifaya), a duty on society that some of its members can carry in lieu of the whole. This is natural since the need of health is a primary need and not a anything in life remains enjoyable.
That it is permissible for the purpose of treatment to look at hidden and private parts of the body, derives from the rule of jurisprudence 'necessities override prohibitions' and complies with the Ooranic excuse when "compelled to do something but without ill- intention". Since the early days of Islam the Lady- Healer's corps joined the Prophet's army to battle caring for the casualties and dressing their wounds on whatever part of the body. This provoked no dispute or divergence of opinion.
To import medical expertise and to treat Muslims by non-Muslim physicians should be decided only by the condition of the patient and the capability of the doctor.
Since an early time the Muslim State employed Christian doctors from Jundishapur and treated them Very generously. In this context it is also worthy remembering that the Prophet's guide on the journey of Hijra was Abdullah Ibn Uraikit, a non-Muslim, chosen by the Prophet on account.

format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless

What alternative is there? Test or not, Muslim first or not, if the person dies and you could have helped prevent it, its going to be worse than anything - I mean both religiously and personally.

Interesting. I understand that it could be worse from religious point of view if Allah (swt) holds you accountable for it.

As salaam mualaikum.

No, I have absolutely no idea what to do. JazakuLLah for the information.

One other thing, from the little that I have learned about Islam, a Muslim is always a human being. To save the life of another human being is not a choice. It is a duty. There are many things which are haram in general but are allowed in specific situations. For example, it is forbidden to eat pork but if it is a choice between eating pork and dying of hunger, then eating pork is allowed.

Likewise in a life and death situation. It doesn't matter whether the victim is a muhrim or not. Saving a life takes precedence. Whether or not the victim can be saved is all entirely up to Allah but since Allah placed us there in a position to do something about it, it is our duty to do what we can. Insha Allah.

Assalaamu Alaaykum

This is a great thread, i learnt how to perform CPR at college , but i guess i tend to forget easily.

But the information was indeed helpful, Jazakallaahu Khaair

I learnt it through videos and books and there is no certificates...

assallam i think theres new ways of doing other than cpr...the modern ways would not use mouth to mouth technique

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Salaam,

I'll just call the paramedics. Seriously, I might kill someone.

format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos

Salaam,

I'll just call the paramedics. Seriously, I might kill someone.

Wa Alaaykum AsSalaam,

I'm sure if you keep practicing it will get better, inshaa'Allaah,

as they say 'practice makes perfect' ..

If I had any power I would make it mandatory for basic first aid to be taught in every school and for every pupil to reach a set standard in it before progressing.

format_quote Originally Posted by Salahudeen

If I had any power I would make it mandatory for basic first aid to be taught in every school and for every pupil to reach a set standard in it before progressing.

Salaam,

If I'm about to die, just call the paramedics!!! If I die, oh well.

format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos

Salaam,

I'll just call the paramedics. Seriously, I might kill someone.

You can't kill someone through doing CPR. The person is most likely very nearly dead anyway. If they aren't, they might be in the next few minutes (before the paramedics arrive), unless you do something that is. Even if you do, it's not guaranteed to work, but it gives them a chance, which they otherwise won't have. Even if you do it badly, it still gives them a chance. At most, you might break a rib of theirs doing CPR. Most people I know would rather be alive with a cracked rib (and any problems that it might cause), than dead. And remember, mouth to mouth does not need to be done now for basic CPR, just chest compressions. Everyone should learn CPR as Br Salahudeen said. It is one of the single most important skills a person can have.

Muhsin Khan
Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.. (5:32, part)

format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah

You can't kill someone through doing CPR. The person is most likely very nearly dead anyway. If they aren't, they might be in the next few minutes (before the paramedics arrive), unless you do something that is. Even if you do, it's not guaranteed to work, but it gives them a chance, which they otherwise won't have. Even if you do it badly, it still gives them a chance. At most, you might break a rib of theirs doing CPR. Most people I know would rather be alive with a cracked rib (and any problems that it might cause), than dead. And remember, mouth to mouth does not need to be done now for basic CPR, just chest compressions. Everyone should learn CPR as Br Salahudeen said. It is one of the single most important skills a person can have.

I think I rather die than have broken ribs...