A Question, on Wordly knowledge.

Come on. Surely some one should know the answers!

format_quote Originally Posted by Shukria

Salam
However I think da knowledge of deen is worth a lot more than the knowledge of 'wordly' knowledge such as engineering..
Wasalam

sis, ur right. the first question that i posted was so very thoughtless of me. Hope someone brings up the answers to the rest of the questions, insha'Allah.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatu

I think whenever we step out to aquire knowledge it should be with the intention to use it in the way of Allah. Cos remember it's the intention that counts and if that worldly knowledge will help our own and other peoples deen then why not?

format_quote Originally Posted by muslim_friend

I hope evryone is doing well. the Prophet, may peace and blessings be upon him, emphasized the importance of education and seeking knowledge.When seeking wordly knowledge (for eg. like engineering and medecine), Will we get the equivalent blessings and reward as that of seeking knowledge about the deen?

Do all those hadith about education actually refer to education of the deen, or just education regarding both the deen and duniya?

what if we seek worldy knowledge with the intention of helping our ummah and ultimately seeking Allah's pleasure? will we get reward for that?

And what is the ruling regarding those who seek worldy knowledge to become 'big people' in society? I do know this is forbidden when Islamic knowledge is concerned.

thanks, i'm waiting.

salaam
i haven't got an exact answer but i do know this-we learn in tafsir that the first knowledge that Allah taught prophet Adam (p) was the worldly knowledge
(the names of all things) we need to know about the world we live in and how to survive in it and communicate with others then we can use our islamic knowledge to better advantage too insha allah and Allah knows best!

Dear Brother Abd'Majid and Sisters, A sincere thanks for trying to answer.You were short and sweet in ur response.I wish you could have explained more. I'm sorry.. i wasn't very specific and clear enough myself.I forgot to mention a few things too.. Most importantly how can we understand the Qur'an in its full meaning without worldly knowledge?.. i mean, look at the verse in which Allah s.w.t swears "By the Fig and the Olive". i live in India, where its scorching hot right now :grumbling , n there are NO olives here.. and i don't know what they look like, and it saddens me that i miss out a creation that Allah, even swears upon!! (of course i kno what olives look like, but lets assume..). Another example is the alternation of the day and night mentioned in the Qur'an. Only when we look up an encyclopaedia, and see pictures of the orbits et al, do we wonder at Allah's power. I hope you understand what i meant. lets not forget how much the muslims centuries ago, have contributed in all fields of technology.if there were no muslim chemists, people in europe wouldn't be using soap today.

Let's also take the example of two muslims A and B. A is an alim and hafiz of the Qur'an and does dawah. B is an equally good daee, hafiz too, he is also a practising doctor, and attends to the needs of the sick.The muslim B has more chances to do good deeds and pleasing Allah. I recall a hadith in which the Prophet s.a.w.s mentions that whoever intends to do good, then there is a reward for that too, and whoever does the good work gets a higher reward (10 fold more, i think).So if we intend to study those boring equations, and formulas with the intention that someday, we could put it to use in upliftment of the ummah, i think there would be a reward and blessing in it.But you could call this an assumption on my part. A statement from the Prophet s.a.w.s or from the Qur'an on this matter would be best.

Allahu'Alim.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatu

Well said Brother. Islamic knowledge should be our priority but if worldly knowledge increases our Islamic knowledge that must be held in high regard too. It is like rearing a horse for Jihad. The horse benefits us because of our intention and everything it consumes is Sadaqah for us. We can still do Jihad without the horse but the horse will help our Jihad further so Allah rewards us for raising it because of our intention.
Same with knowledge. We can learn Islamic knowledge alone but in some cases worldly knowledge helps us increase our Islamic knowledge.
Salaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by muslim_friend

Dear Brother Abd'Majid and Sisters, A sincere thanks for trying to answer.You were short and sweet in ur response.I wish you could have explained more. I'm sorry.. i wasn't very specific and clear enough myself.I forgot to mention a few things too.. Most importantly how can we understand the Qur'an in its full meaning without worldly knowledge?.. i mean, look at the verse in which Allah s.w.t swears "By the Fig and the Olive". i live in India, where its scorching hot right now :grumbling , n there are NO olives here.. and i don't know what they look like, and it saddens me that i miss out a creation that Allah, even swears upon!! (of course i kno what olives look like, but lets assume..). Another example is the alternation of the day and night mentioned in the Qur'an. Only when we look up an encyclopaedia, and see pictures of the orbits et al, do we wonder at Allah's power. I hope you understand what i meant. lets not forget how much the muslims centuries ago, have contributed in all fields of technology.if there were no muslim chemists, people in europe wouldn't be using soap today.

Let's also take the example of two muslims A and B. A is an alim and hafiz of the Qur'an and does dawah. B is an equally good daee, hafiz too, he is also a practising doctor, and attends to the needs of the sick.The muslim B has more chances to do good deeds and pleasing Allah. I recall a hadith in which the Prophet s.a.w.s mentions that whoever intends to do good, then there is a reward for that too, and whoever does the good work gets a higher reward (10 fold more, i think).So if we intend to study those boring equations, and formulas with the intention that someday, we could put it to use in upliftment of the ummah, i think there would be a reward and blessing in it.But you could call this an assumption on my part. A statement from the Prophet s.a.w.s or from the Qur'an on this matter would be best.

Allahu'Alim.

Well said bro mashaallah. U need to have knowledge of this world in order to worship Allah.

Dear Brother and Sisters, thanks once again for ur help.

format_quote Originally Posted by Ayesha Rana

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatu

Well said Brother. Islamic knowledge should be our priority but if worldly knowledge increases our Islamic knowledge that must be held in high regard too. It is like rearing a horse for Jihad. The horse benefits us because of our intention and everything it consumes is Sadaqah for us. We can still do Jihad without the horse but the horse will help our Jihad further so Allah rewards us for raising it because of our intention.
Same with knowledge. We can learn Islamic knowledge alone but in some cases worldly knowledge helps us increase our Islamic knowledge.
Salaam.

mashaAllah, I like the example and it sounds logical. So, it's basically the purpose why we rear the horse that matters.

format_quote Originally Posted by Abd'Majid

brother mashAllah u have answered yourself. If we can benefit the ummah and please Allah then education in this dunya is worth striving otherwise its best to strive for good deeds.
Im sry for misunderstanding

The answers were only deductive bro, i was actually hoping that someone would mention a verse or a hadith that would directly address this matter. that would have been satisfying.. Pls dont apologise, coz ur helping me out, and i should be thanking you instead.

I would have thought that one argument FOR gaining reward for secular education would be the fact that, a lot of the time these days, a person needs a degree, in order to be able to get a job. And of course, there is responsibility on the man, to be able to provide for his family. And of course, Mr Degree Man.......would have a slight better chance at doing so. Not to mention studying with the intention of helping the Ummah, i.e. Being a doctor, and intending to help sick, poor muslims for free?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying, people who don't have degrees are poor, as many of the worlds rich people weren't educated. Nor am I saying that people shouldn't become Aalims because they won't get money, as Allah is the provider. However there is a hadith I heard saying:

"One day Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, noticed a Bedouin leaving his camel without tying it. He asked the Bedouin, "Why don't you tie down your camel?" The Bedouin answered, "I put my trust in Allah." The Prophet then said, "Tie your camel first, then put your trust in Allah" (Tirmidhi)."

So we ARE to leave things in the hands of Allah, but we must also act.

Thanks.May Allah reward all of u.ameen.

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

Historicaly the Islamic nations were the Mother land of most of the Sciences. Mathematics developed in Saudi Arabia, the most common numbering system is Arabic Numerals. Algebra is an Arabic word. Astronomy and Navigation advanced to their highest level under Islam. The majority of the stars and constellations still carry Arab names.

With that said I doubt very much that Islam condemns the study of wordly things. I believe the intent for the study is the important thing.

The Study of the Qur'an should be a wonderfull endeavor, but wouldn't it be wrong if a person studied it for the purpose of impressing friends and/or family?

Yes, people should learn the QUran and more than ever understand it, also the sunnah, the problem with many born-muslim is that they don't have that education of their deen, and that is for many reason they are straying from the religion.

So study in our deen (ISlam) and study of worldy matter is a best way of being a better muslim, as it increases your imann, and lest likely to stray from the path.

format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

"So study in our deen (ISlam) and study of worldy matter is a best way of being a better muslim, as it increases your imann, and lest likely to stray from the path."

Outstanding point.

Are you being sarcastic brother :brother: ?