Mixed Marriages...

No, it's not a hadith. Just a book written on religious law by the scholar Ashraf Ali Thanwi. But I think he was just using the Sayyids and Shaykhs as example names to get across the point that the children take the father's name/lineage.

format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude™

I believe that we aren't allowed to give zakat money to sayyids, either.

Really? ....You learn somethin new every day.

''The child is an extension of his father and the bearer of his characteristics. During his lifetime he is the joy of his father's eyes, while after his death he represents a continuation of his existence.''

http://www.themodernreligion.com/fam...ren_rights.htm

^^ If you click on this link and read the rest of it, you'll notice that basically what the author is trying to say is the child continues on their father's lineage, which I was I was trying to get at this whole time.

The rest of it I don't agree with at all, I only agree with the part that I've quoted (well only slightly).

I also had some evidence from a book I had about lineage in Islaam, but it seems I can't find it.

Anyway, I hope this sums up what I've been saying this whole time.



Edit: Check out this link too, it's really interesting. http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2...on-of-lineage/

Yes, a child can be the 'continuation' of the father after he has passed away, but it takes more than just sperm to make a baby. Two sets of chromosomes are in that child, the child could be a mirror image of the mother, in both physical aspects, as well as 'mental qualities and traits'. So no matter how much the father (and perhaps mother) want and expect the child to be a replica of his father, in culture, tradition, mindset, etc. he/she will still be affected by his mother, even moreso than they would by the father i would say, since the mother is the main person who raises the child.

So yeah, what was said in those two links doesn't cite any islamic evidence or sources, it's merely the opinion of whoever wrote it. I'm not saying that it is wrong for a person to take after their father, if the mother wants that, then so be it, but by no means is it "islamically" right that that happen.

Again, maybe we're just disagreeing because we had different ideas of "lineage". Like I said before, lineage =/= cultures and traditions, for me anyway.

I don't think anyone's doubting that biologically, a child is gentically half the mother and half the father, and therefore the child's phenotype will show both side's of his/her's heritage. But the child takes the last name of the father, and is carrying on his family name rather than the mother's. That's all.

I'm not doubting that either, what I am doubting is that islamicallya child must fulfill the traditions and culture of his father while ignoring those of his mother.

Oh ok. Then yeah, I agree. That isn't morally correct or islamic to completely ignore your mother's side/culture/traditions.

From intercultural marriages to genetics, well done dudes

Well okay then, it's just been a misunderstanding based on what the word "lineage" entails.