In the first part; It first explains how marriages took place normally at a younger age in history throughout the world with sources and quick explanations as to why this occurred.
In the second part; It discusses the marriage of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to Aisha, and how she wasn't really a child at all with quotes from herself to prove her adulthood.
It further explains the concept is totally different to how you imagine. And what really is meant is that some pubescents do not get their periods early [i.e. some young woman may not get their periods uptill their 20s!], however - they have matured physically in every other way. So there will be no harm that will come to them if they were to get married and have sexual relations.
The author is a medical student and on his final stages to be a doctor (insha Allah), so he knows what he's saying.
Here's a list of the contents page if you want to get a brief understanding of the books layout;
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I downloaded it and read bits of it last night. I really liked the parts I read, which concerned the whole argument of, "But remember how she had those dolls?" Thanks for sharing this, brother. I hope more people read it, especially if they are going to be getting into discussions concerning a defense of Islam. It's also good for those who find their faith weakened by hearing things that question Islam profusely.
JazakAllah khair.
Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. But at least the wub is back.
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Another important thing to note is the life expectancy of humans. Back in the olden days, it was uncommon for people to live above 60. Life expectancy is now around 75+ in developed countries, thats why you still see marriages being conducted earlier in less developed societies.
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how do those who make such claims reconcile the fact that their 'god' was a pedophile?.. worst yet after impregnating a child with self (astghfor Allah) she went on to supposedly marry Joseph who was aged.
or or or like Lut sleeping with his daughter or David having a child concubine on his death bed or the fact that their own country made the age of consent for a bride as young as 7 in 1885? ugh.. I am so so sick of kaffirs and their disgusting allegations. Their minds are filthy so they only think filth, concoct it and spread it!
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They will never allow to refute these kinds of lies on their forums. In fact the post will be submitted for "moderation" and then they will delete the post and ban our IP.
They're just blind , deaf and dumb and will never return to the right path whether you warn them or not
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How does this translate to Muslims nowadays? Can 59 years old man (or woman unlikely) marry 9 years old (and I am looking for a no).
Back then it was normal, now it is not normal. Personally I would be disgusted to find any 59 years adult marry a young person under the age of 14 (I don’t care whether they started their puberty or not).
What adult would 13 or under attractive since most these young people don’t even look like a grown adult at that stage and are vulnerable and naive .
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
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format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
How does this translate to Muslims nowadays? Can 59 years old man (or woman unlikely) marry 9 years old (and I am looking for a no).
Back then it was normal, now it is not normal. Personally I would be disgusted to find any 59 years adult marry a young person under the age of 14 (I don’t care whether they started their puberty or not).
What adult would 13 or under attractive since most these young people don’t even look like a grown adult at that stage and are vulnerable and naive .
We can't really judge the unions of other people with labels of disgust.. What may not be good for you might be perfectly acceptable for someone else. Still modern day they pass out BCP to middle school kids as young as 11 as opposed to preaching abstinence. In Illinois you can be emancipated at 12 if you're pregnant and lose such a status upon giving birth.. state laws are sporadic and often times meaningless. One should also note that there are still regions in the world modern day where life expectancy is 44 and where mothers still die in childbirth. I am not by any means advocating marriage at puberty. People should marry when they're ready for it by the conditions set in Islam, financial, psychological, physical etc. It isn't an injunction to marry at a particular age and it is not subject to opinion rather the conditions upon which a marriage is set!
but we can't measure the living standards, life expectancy and medical advancement of modern day to that of millenniums ago, given that even modern day not all regions are equal in having set standards as the norm..
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format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
We can't really judge the unions of other people with labels of disgust.. What may not be good for you might be perfectly acceptable for someone else. Still modern day they pass out BCP to middle school kids as young as 11 as opposed to preaching abstinence. In Illinois you can be emancipated at 12 if you're pregnant and lose such a status upon giving birth.. state laws are sporadic and often times meaningless. One should also note that there are still regions in the world modern day where life expectancy is 44 and where mothers still die in childbirth. I am not by any means advocating marriage at puberty. People should marry when they're ready for it by the conditions set in Islam, financial, psychological, physical etc. It isn't an injunction to marry at a particular age and it is not subject to opinion rather the conditions upon which a marriage is set!
but we can't measure the living standards, life expectancy and medical advancement of modern day to that of millenniums ago, given that even modern day not all regions are equal in having set standards as the norm..
There has to be age limit because of the fact in some parts of the world (this is not just Muslim before anyone bite my head off) parents don’t care about their children maturity; they would sell them off to “marriage”. Setting an age limit will protect the most vulnerable and it is always the girls especially since some cultures have preferences for young girls due to virginity.
I ask this question what adult man is attracted to a young person that has not fully grown? Sorry I feel it is disgusting. I hardly see any woman that marries or get with a young man that looks like a boy!
So you would be perfectly happy to see a 50 years man marry a 9 years old girl? Most 9 years around the world look nowhere close to being an adult even if they have started puberty. Plus in Nigeria the highest percentage of woman that dies during childbirth are under 15 years old. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/u...ld/4od#3073084
^^^ You don’t even have to watch the documentary just reading the article highlights the devastating consequences for these young girls because it is “perfectly acceptable for someone else”.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
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^ Are you advocating a universal age limit? I'm not sure if this is practicable since people mature differently depending on their environment.
This topic reminds me of cousin marriages. In the past it was normal. Now it is seen as vile and disgusting from my experience.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Tragic Typos
^ Are you advocating a universal age limit? I'm not sure if this is practicable since people mature differently depending on their environment.
This topic reminds me of cousin marriages. In the past it was normal. Now it is seen as vile and disgusting from my experience.
Yes considering girl under the age of 15 are 88% and five times more likely to die from childbirth and suffer Obstetric Fistulas. It wouldnt kill anyone to wait for few years. would you like to see a 9 years old marriage?
Cousin marriage is not vile but is damaging if the same family goes again and again and again to their offspring.
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format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
There has to be age limit because of the fact in some parts of the world (this is not just Muslim before anyone bite my head off) parents don’t care about their children maturity; they would sell them off to “marriage”. Setting an age limit will protect the most vulnerable and it is always the girls especially since some cultures have preferences for young girls due to virginity.
My dinner isn't sitting well with me and I have no desire to have anyone's head let alone through biting.. Perhaps a root cause analysis of the problem is a better solution than a cosmetic remedy?
I ask this question what adult man is attracted to a young person that has not fully grown? Sorry I feel it is disgusting. I hardly see any woman that marries or get with a young man that looks like a boy!
People don't mature the same way.. some 11 year olds have the intelligence, appearance and maturity of 30 year olds.. the level of maturity isn't determined by age.
So you would be perfectly happy to see a 50 years man marry a 9 years old girl? Most 9 years around the world look nowhere close to being an adult even if they have started puberty. Plus in Nigeria the highest percentage of woman that dies during childbirth are under 15 years old. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/u...ld/4od#3073084
^^^ You don’t even have to watch the documentary just reading the article highlights the devastating consequences for these young girls because it is “perfectly acceptable for someone else”.
Please re-read what I have written. The conditions for marriage in Islam as I have listed some of them, being 9 isn't one of them nor is marrying at ANY pre-set age an injunction, nor even an indication of the success of said marriage.
most women in my family outside of my mother's generation have married in their thirties. I myself am in my thirties and unmarried. obviously if I felt marriage at 9 is the injunction I wouldn't still be single, I'd have jumped on the first offer I received at age 17.
I am not particularly swayed by any program or third party information. Everyone has an agenda. Like I said a root cause analysis and a remedy to that beats a cosmetic solution and show of disgust. Disgust isn't going to stop 11 year olds from taking birth control pills or 12 year old inner city developed country kids from popping them out of wedlock either..
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format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
15 are 88% and five times more likely to die from childbirth and suffer Obstetric Fistulas
older women have their own set of complications plus a host of birth defects and genetic anomalies that run the gamut with advanced maternal age. The number is high in said cases for the exact same reason the marriage age is so young. Health care is simply not available nor is the life expectancy what it is compared to more financially stable and developed parts of the world.
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I don’t really care whether 11 years old mature quickly. It won’t kill for that 11 years old to wait nor would it kill grown ass adult to wait for that 11 years old to reach the appropriate age.
This is about protecting those that don’t mature emotional and physically quickly, vulnerable and naive! If there is no age limit how do you assess that child is now fully an adult and is able to marry and have children of their own? Look to the parents whom may not have the best interest of their children!
I still don’t get how a grown adult ever is attracted to 11 years old most of whom don’t even like women or men!
btw your answer seem to be different to Answar's one when he posted on this topic on the forum!
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
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format_quote Originally Posted by ßlµêßêll
older women have their own set of complications plus a host of birth defects and genetic anomalies that run the gamut with advanced maternal age. The number is high in said cases for the exact same reason the marriage age is so young. Health care is simply not available nor is the life expectancy what it is compared to more financially stable and developed parts of the world.
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So then how comes death amongst under 15 is alot higher then those that are 15 + who also live in the same environment and have the same healthcare?
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one.." [Bukhaari].
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format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
How does this translate to Muslims nowadays? Can 59 years old man (or woman unlikely) marry 9 years old (and I am looking for a no).
Back then it was normal, now it is not normal. Personally I would be disgusted to find any 59 years adult marry a young person under the age of 14 (I don’t care whether they started their puberty or not).
What adult would 13 or under attractive since most these young people don’t even look like a grown adult at that stage and are vulnerable and naive .
From what I was told, it is permissible according to some scholars, the marriage contract can be drawn up when the girl is young, then when she reaches puberty she goes and lives with the man, however if she doesn't like him then she leaves the marriage at puberty.
I was told there is wisdoms behind this, for example if a father is dying and he is worried about who will look after his young daughter when he dies, he can do marriage contract with trustworthy person even if the girl hasn't reached puberty but physical relationship isn't allowed until puberty, and if once she reaches puberty she decides she doesn't want to be in the marriage then she leaves it.
The scholars who say it's allowed base it upon the fact that many of the companions had child brides while they themselves were old.
But there are scholars who also say that the marriage contract can only be drawn up once the girl reaches puberty and her consent must then be sought.
In some parts of the world this still happens, I have a distant relative who was 51 and he married a 20 year old girl from pakistan, here in my town, a few years ago, a 27 year old man married a 14 year old girl. They're both still married, I guess it depends because what one person finds hard to accept another person finds normal.
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format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
I don’t really care whether 11 years old mature quickly. It won’t kill for that 11 years old to wait nor would it kill grown ass adult to wait for that 11 years old to reach the appropriate age.
This is about protecting those that don’t mature emotional and physically quickly, vulnerable and naive! If there is no age limit how do you assess that child is now fully an adult and is able to marry and have children of their own? Look to the parents whom may not have the best interest of their children!
I still don’t get how a grown adult ever is attracted to 11 years old most of whom don’t even like women or men!
btw your answer seem to be different to Answar's one when he posted on this topic on the forum!
Indeed however given the number of sexually active and children out of wedlock born to well 'children' I'd say it seems to be killing them alot to wait?.. and imposing statutory rape charges hasn't curbed on the pre-marital appeal nor on the percentage of teenage pregnancies in the developed world. So what do you propose? Because I think I summed it up perfectly with a root cause analysis and a solution that isn't mere cosmetics.. I am not sure who you mean by 'Answar's' but we're all allowed to have our own opinion. Also I don't know the secrets of attractions. people marry for all kinds of reasons. Some people marry for mere companionship, there was a singer who died in the late eighties and it was discovered on autopsy that he was a woman, his wife never knew because they never had sex. So I can't be made to comment on what attracts people to one another at any age!
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format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
So then how comes death amongst under 15 is alot higher then those that are 15 + who also live in the same environment and have the same healthcare?
for the same reasons the number of Down Syndrome cases increase in children born to women above 35 and yet the most amount of down syndrome cases are born to women in their twenties.
Research it!
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