would a brother mind a sister who is studying...i mean say he proposed and she was in the middle of a degree...would most brothers mind if she continued to finish her degree (whilst she is engaged/married) or would he prefer her to stop for marriage (even if she doesn't intend on working, etc after wards)..
i hope im making sense here...
...desperate for husnul-khitaam...
please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.
Of course, but u twist the truth so its not all correct. At least I admitted, you still think your all right even tho several people said so otherwise.
When will you listen and learn?
Btw I should say ur mostly wrong, but to be on the safe side I'll say half.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Of course, but u twist the truth so its not all correct. At least I admitted, you still think your all right even tho several people said so otherwise.
When will you listen and learn?
i have sister you forgot read the above posts i have admited i was wrong in some aspects
i have sister you forgot read the above post i have admited i was wrong in some aspects
Which aspects do you maintain that are still justifiably correct ?
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‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)
It was not just generalizations but even your own ignorant thoughts you put forth in the of Islam. Try putting these thoughts down to a scholar and see what happens. There was nothing Islamic about your thoughts, only what you would do.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
It was not just generalizations but even your own ignrant thoughts you put forth in the of Islam. Try putting these thoughts down to a scholar and see what happens.
subanllah its the truth but i was wrong my generalizations but i stand by what i said becouses its acording with quran and sunnah to bad some brothers and sisters are straying
The Qur'an and Hadiths of the Prophet both obligate Muslim men and women to acquire knowledge and education. It is a duty for every Muslim. For example, concerning knowledge and education the Qur'an Sura 35 Verse 28 states:
Those truly fear Allah, among His Servants, who have knowledge.
Prophet's Hadiths repeatedly emphasizes the acquirement of education and knowledge for every Muslim male and female. For example, one Hadith states that, " Seeking knowledge is a duty of every Muslim, man or woman." (Ayisha Lemu 1978: 25). Another Hadith states, " Seek knowledge from the cradle to grave." (1978:25). Another Hadith states that, " The Father, if he educates his daughter well, will enter Paradise." (The World Bank Report July 9, 1993: 25). Yet another Hadith states that, " A mother is a school. If she is educated, then a whole people are educated" (1993: 25).
In early of Islamic history there were many women scholars who had very significant roles in the Islamic world. For example Ayisha, the Prophet's wife was one of the most famous Muslim scholars. Not only was she very intelligent, she had an exceptional memory. That is why she was considered one of the most important sources of Hadith. It has been stated in some Islamic reports that the Prophet told the Muslims to go to Ayisha for guidance and learning of religious duties. The Prophet also told the Muslims to trust Ayisha's teaching and guidance( Lemu 1978:: 251).
In the Islamic world, at the beginning of Islam, there were no restrictions or prohibitions toward women to seek knowledge and education. There were many women scholars in the fields of religion, literature, music, education, and medicine. For example, a woman named Nafisa who was related to Ali, the fourth Khalif, had a vast knowledge of and was an expert on the Hadiths of the Prophet. Many famous Muslim scholars of the time, such as Imam Shafi-ai would participate in Nafisa's scholarly discourse and learn from her (1978: 251-253).
‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)
subanllah its the truth but i was wrong my generalizations but i stand by what i said becouses its acording with quran and sunnah to bad some brothers and sisters are straying
What you said was not and will not be according to Qur'aan and Sunnah. May Allah guide you, ameen.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
subannalah read my post i never said a sister carnt seek islamic education infact i said i would be happy if my wife was doing that but my problemn is when sisters follow their deseirs and seek further eduaction and work and think this is up lifting them allhu mustan
But it also says in the early days of Islam women flourished in other aspects of education, medicine for example. This is the example of Islam we should be following. We have in some respects become just as ignorant as were the people in the days of Jahaliyya with topics like education of Women. But it's your call, there's no point forcing you to believe something you don't want to.
Fe Amaanillah.
‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)
But it also says in the early days of Islam women flourished in other aspects of education, medicine for example. This is the example of Islam we should be following. We have in some respects become just as ignorant as were the people in the days of Jahaliyya with topics like education of Women. But it's your call, there's no point forcing you to believe something you don't want to.
Fe Amaanillah.
Ditto! Im gunna try and not reply to him now, going in circles! Yikes!
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
subannalah read my post i never said a sister carnt seek islamic education infact i said i would be happy if my wife was doing that but my problemn is when sisters follow their deseirs and seek further eduaction and work and think this is up lifting them allhu mustan
Where is your proof? Provide proof from the Qur'an and Sunnah and then from the scholars that says a woman isn't allowed to get a secular education and earn money.
“Do not argue with your Lord on behalf of your soul, rather argue with your soul on behalf of your Lord.” - Dhul-Nun
"It is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness." - Victor Frankl
subannalah read my post i never said a sister carnt seek islamic education infact i said i would be happy if my wife was doing that but my problemn is when sisters follow their deseirs and seek further eduaction and work and think this is up lifting them allhu mustan
what on earth is wrong with that ...what is wrong with following your desires if its something permitted? i can tell you as female, i love learning whether its secular or otherwise...i don't understand what the problem is?
and dont you men do "dunya" things which you consider uplifting as well? flips sake, go pick on them!
...desperate for husnul-khitaam...
please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.
I wouldn't really care, it's her choice. I am not gonna go to her and say "stop that woman!" now, if I am wanting to get married right then, and she is too, then we could do it, and then she can go back to college the next day, and we can have our honey moon later, but really, I don't believe the guy should be the one calling the shots on when and where, I think they should do it together.
I am not a Muslim, but just wanted to put my in-put.
I have been reading some of the comments in this thread and I find it rather interesting to see the different views. I for one couldn't care less about the educational qualifications of a woman, often women are forced not into pursuing education for various reasons and more often many families cannot afford to send daughters to higher education institutes.
One thing that really does bother me, is free mixing of students, allow your men to study, allow your women to study, but surely in seperate establishments?
I used to find ways to avoid walking passed females, in fact I avoided going to the library and sending my non-muslim friend to get books purely to avoid looking upon shameless girls who socialise with shameless boys.
We as Muslims need to discourage our men and women from studying in mixed establishments.
As for women working, we should again have no issues with that surely so long as it's in a halal environment. But what we see in this day and age is women who have no such shame and openly working in mixed environments. In most cases it's inexcusable, as for men, often to support their family in the west, they have no choice to work in such environments and lower their gaze, but the women have the choice.
I have been reading some of the comments in this thread and I find it rather interesting to see the different views. I for one couldn't care less about the educational qualifications of a woman, often women are forced not into pursuing education for various reasons and more often many families cannot afford to send daughters to higher education institutes.
One thing that really does bother me, is free mixing of students, allow your men to study, allow your women to study, but surely in seperate establishments?
I used to find ways to avoid walking passed females, in fact I avoided going to the library and sending my non-muslim friend to get books purely to avoid looking upon shameless girls who socialise with shameless boys.
We as Muslims need to discourage our men and women from studying in mixed establishments.
As for women working, we should again have no issues with that surely so long as it's in a halal environment. But what we see in this day and age is women who have no such shame and openly working in mixed environments. In most cases it's inexcusable, as for men, often to support their family in the west, they have no choice to work in such environments and lower their gaze, but the women have the choice.
Yes that right brother a singe mother such as myself has a choice. And it is completely okay for Muslim women not to be part of medical, social and private settings. I just hope people don’t ask for a Muslim women when they are seeking medical and any other advise. Shameless sisters like myself should be utterly ashamed.
Hadith - Bukhari 1:824, Narrated Ibn 'Umar ...The Prophet said, "If your women ask permission to go to the mosque at night, allow them."
Hadith - Bukhari 1:832, Narrated Salim bin Abdullah ...My father said, "The Prophet said, 'If the wife of any one of you asks permission (to go to the mosque) do not forbid her."
Allahu A'laam, but I see these two hadiths as evidence that a women whom wishes to seek knowledge concerning Islam, should never be restricted by it from her husband.
Furthermore;
"Whosoever relieves from a believer some grief pertaining to this world, Allah will relieve from him some grief pertaining to the Hereafter. Whosoever alleviates the difficulties of a needy person who cannot pay his debt, Allah will alleviate his difficulties in both this world and the Hereafter. Whosoever conceals the faults of a Muslim, Allah will conceal his faults in this world and the Hereafter. Allah will aid a servant (of His) so long as the servant aids his brother. Whosoever follows a path to seek knowledge therein, Allah will make easy for him a path to Paradise. No people gather together in one of the houses of Allah, reciting the Book of Allah and studying it among themselves, except that tranquility descends upon them, mercy covers them, the angels surround them, and Allah makes mention of them amongst those who are in His presence. Whosoever is slowed down by his deeds will not be hastened forward by his lineage."
“If a friend among your friends errs, make seventy excuses for them. If your hearts are unable to do this, then know that the shortcoming is in your own selves…” [ibid]
We should be making excuses to how great our sisters and brothers are rather than increasing the flame by leaving sarcastic, irresponsible, responses.
Allah (saw) has taught us to swallow our anger, not to threaten each other, fight amongst one another, and follow Shaytan.
Either way everyone here knows this: so my response is:
Mashallah, if I had 50 PhD's i could not remotely match the natural intelligence Allah (saw) has given some women in my family!
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...what is wrong with following your desires if its something permitted? i can tell you as female, i love learning whether its secular or otherwise...i don't understand what the problem is?
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