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    Assalam o alaikum all,

    I've a question for all you single people out there who have been actively looking tget married

    What's your biggest frustration / fear in getting married , the reason why you haven't gotten married so far?

    I ask cuz I've been happily married for a few years and I love this - I just wonder why my friends (and some of my wife's friends) aren't able to get married.

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    i also think it's something psychological and natural since the women like to show their friends how treasured they are, (like when big brother or dad picks them up from school or college in the best car),
    and also show the future husband that they ain't free and require effort.

    but personally i think it's a bit inconsiderate, as it makes life more of a struggle for them both - and when they end up taking out a haram bank loan to fund it - the blessing is not there.

    my friend who lives a few floors above me got married last year, they spent some 20-30k on a lavish wedding, diamonds, gold etc,
    he was reluctant and would always come to me for advice since he knew i study a lot and practice what i can,
    i told him to say he couldn't and if she was the right person for him, she would be understanding - otherwise it's not worth it from the start,
    however his mum made him and his dad sort it, he took out a big bank loan etc and got married,
    for the first few weeks she told him she was unwell and couldn't uhuuum,
    slowly i noticed some sort of friction, and she would spend as much time as possible at her parents and he was always angry and frustrated,
    then after a couple of months they broke up,
    it turned out that she couldn't uhuum - because she was a hermaphrodite.
    she had just hoped that since he'd stuck by her and told her he loved her, he'd slowly just come to terms with it and accept it, and they'd live happily ever after.
    but she didn't tell him anything about herself, and nor did her parents tell his parents,
    sad,
    he was sooooo depressed, and when he was angry at her deceit and told her he couldn't stay married to her - she took off with all the gold and diamonds etc,
    i couldn't understand her family's demand for the lavish wedding, but i guess it must've been to tie him in.

    well thats 30k "well spent",

    i had even sat with him before the wedding googling and giving him hadiths of the Prophet regarding reasonable weddings, and the fact that he was taking out a haraam bank loan would mean there's no blessing on Allah's part and he agreed with me but couldn't get the women to budge,

    A dower can be a very little amount. At the time of the Prophet, a woman accepted a pair of shoes as her dower. The Prophet asked her whether it was her decision and whether she accepts. She answered in the affirmative and he endorsed the marriage. Another woman came to the Prophet and declared that she makes a gift of herself to the Prophet. A man asked him to marry her to him. The Prophet asked him whether he had anything to give her by-way of dower. The man said that he had nothing except his dress. The Prophet said that if he were to give her his dress, he would have nothing to wear. The man tried to fund something to give her but could come up with nothing. The Prophet said try to send even a ring of iron, but the man could not find anything. The Prophet asked him whether he memorized anything of the Qur'an, the man said he knew several surahs. The Prophet allowed the marriage to go through on the condition that the man would teach his wife the parts of the Qur'an he knew.

    Another story from the time of the Prophet, which has been reported by Anas, says that Abu Talhah made a proposal to marry a woman called Umm Sulaim.
    She said: "You are a man whom no woman would refuse,
    but you are a non-Muslim while I am a Muslim.
    It is not permissible for me to many you.
    If you were to become a Muslim, I will accept that as my dower and I ask you for nothing else."
    He declared that he has accepted the religion of Islam. That was the dower he gave to his wife.
    All these hadiths show that it is permissible to give a small amount of money as a dower or even to pay it in the form of rendering a service, such as teaching one's wife some parts of the Qur' an.

    but again - it seems all down to situation
    The first opinion states that exorbitant dowers are permissible. An evidence for this view is the following verse of the Qur'an, "If you have given one of them a great amount (qintaar), do not take any of it back" (4:20).

    While commenting on this verse, Ibn Katheer stated, "In this verse there is an indication that it is allowed to give a great deal of wealth as a dower." Al-Qurtubi said in his commentary, "This verse is evidence that it is allowed to be exorbitant in dowers as Allah does not give as an example except what is permissible."

    In a public address, Umar stated, "Listen! Do not become exorbitant when it comes to the dowers of women. Verily, if such a thing were noble in this world or an act of obedience to Allah, the first one to demand such would be the Prophet [peace be upon him (PBUH)].

    However, the Prophet (PBUH) never gave in dower to his wives or asked for dower for his daughters anything in excess of twelve auqiyah." A woman stood up to him and said, "O Umar, Allah has give us and you forbid us. Didn't Allah say in the Qur'an, "If you have given one of them a great amount (qintar), do not take any of it back'(4:20)?" Then Umar said, "A woman is correct and Umar is mistaken." Then he stopped his prohibiting them.

    The dower, according to the Shari'ah, is a gift and offering. Thus, it has no prescribed limit. People differ with respect to being rich or poor. So the Shari'ah has left everyone to set its limit according to their ability."

    The Second Opinion:

    The second opinion is that it is not allowed to have exorbitant dowers. The followers of this view reply to the verse that was used as evidence by the people of the first opinion by saying that the verse is irrelevant to this issue for the following reasons:

    First, the example of a qintaar (a large amount of wealth) is only an exaggerated method to stress the point that even if one had given them a great deal of wealth, he cannot take back any portion of it. It is similar in vein to the Prophet's (PBUH) statement, "For whoever builds a mosque for the sake of Allah the size of a grouse's nest, Allah will build for him a house in Paradise." But there cannot be a mosque the size of a grouse's nest." (Ibn Majah)

    Second, it is not necessary that when one thing is stated as a conditional aspect for something else that the first thing is in itself permissible. Allah's saying, "You had given them," does not indicate that it is permissible to give such an amount. It is like the Prophet's statement, "If someone has a relative killed, he has two choices: either he can be paid the blood money or he may exact retribution." (Bukhari)

    Furthermore, the most that one can say about this verse is that it allows the one who has the ability to pay a large dower to pay such a dower. However, it does not mean that the one who does not have such ability may be forced to pay that amount.

    This is indicated by the Prophet (PBUH) objecting to Abu Hadrad al-Aslami when he came to the Prophet (PBUH) to seek assistance in paying the dower of his wife. The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) asked him, "What is the amount of her dower?" He said, "Two hundred dirhams." The Prophet (PBUH) then said, "If you were to dig out (the silver) in the valley of Bathaan, you would not exceed that amount." Recorded by al-Hakim who said that its chain is sahih although al-Bukahri and Muslim did not record it. Al-Dhahabi concurred with his assessment.

    He also objected to the woman from the Ansar who got married with the dower being four awaaq (of silver) as that was not appropriate for her situation. Muslim recorded in his Sahih from Abu Hurairah who said: "A man came to the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) and said, "I am getting married to a woman from the Ansar". The Prophet (PBUH) said to him, "Have you taken a look at her for in the eyes of the Ansar there is something (unpleasant for those not used to it)?" He said, "I have taken a look at her". He (PBUH) then said, "What was the amount (of the dower) for the marriage?" He replied, "Four uqiyas." The Prophet (PBUH) then said to him, "With four uqiyas? It is as if you dig out silver from the side of this mountain (and that is how you plan on paying this great amount). We do not have anything we can give you. However, we may send you on a military expedition and you may end up getting something (that is, some booty)." The Prophet (PBUH) sent an expedition to Banu Abs and he sent that man along with them.

    Al-Nawawi wrote in his commentary to Sahih Muslim, "The meaning of those words is the disapproval of increasing the dower relative to the situation of the husband."
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    ^That is a truly sad story, he and his family must've been devastated, may Allah make his affairs easy for him and bless him with a pious wife ameen.



    format_quote Originally Posted by kingkong View Post
    The women in my family are just as worse. I don't blame the Pakistanis in Pakistan as such, because the girls and families here are pretty bad too. It's the women in my culture, both in Pakistan and abroad, weddings can never be simple. For some inexplicable reason they've created a system where you have to try and outdo all previous weddings in terms of extravagance.

    The men try to speak out and explain why this is not good, but their wives accuse them of being like Scrooge or very stingy.

    It sounds sexist, but it's the truth, the women are the selfish money wasters and the men just go along to avoid weeks and possibly months even years of headaches about how awful their wedding is.

    I can understand why many brothers are put off marriage.

    What makes it worse is, after all that money spent on the wedding to make the females happy, I mean most men couldn't care less about the wedding. But after all that money spent on the wedding, the girl's family have the nerve and the audacity to ask for a high mahr?
    I know what you mean brother, your post echo's my personal experiences with women so far about how wealth and social status is the most important thing for quite a few women. If you can provide the simple life they don't wanna know, If you can provide a luxury life with holidays cars etc they're interested. And that's why this mentality exists that you must have a good job with good salary before you get married. Even my aunties tell me "no woman wants to marry a man with a crappy job who can just afford a modest life style, so you better do good in education and get a good job" I think I will end up going Pakistan also and finding a village girl who is pleased with little inshaAllah.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    My wedding cost was not so expensive. My wife and her family didn't expect extravaganza wedding. Even we didn't buy our wedding dress, but hired. And the mahr were only Qur'an, sajadah, mukena (salah cloth for woman), and small amount of money as symbol.

    Me and my wife were coming from different background. I came from middle class, and she was not. But she married me not for wealth. My relationship was started from friendship , you can read about it in another thread.

    We married at 1994. My wife was working in a bank, and I was a businessman. But I made many mistakes in business. Around two years after our wedding I fell into bankruptcy. I lost my company, my car, one of my house, my money, and I gone depressed. I became a jobless person while my wife still worked as customer service officer in her bank. A position that made her meet many rich men. Some people urged her to leave me and marry a rich man, an even some men tried to approach her. But she refused that, and she still loyal to me.

    August 98. Finally we got a baby, and few months later govt liquidated the bank where my wife was working. Her ex-colleagues tried to find a new jobs and also offered her a job. But she refused it made an amazing decision, became a fulltime house wife and took care our baby.

    We were living in financial difficulty. I was working as freelance salesman in several companies, and gained only small amount of money. But my wife never complain, she knew I didn't have money and she didn't ask me to buy something that expensive. And even she always support me. Finally in 2002 I took over a courier agent that later became our turning point. Alhamdulillah, now we are not in financial difficulty again.

    That's my story.

    And to my unmarried brothers. I hope Allah will gives you a wife who has beauty, patience, loyalty, and obedience like my wife. But my advice, try to accept your wife totally with her advantage and disadvantage. Try to always love your wife, and your wife will always love you with the greater love.

    Now I have been married my wife for 17 years, but sometime when we were perform salah in jama'ah, she wore mukena that I gave as my mahr. And she told me that's because she is very happy to be my wife.




    PS : I believe, women like my wife are exist in everywhere. You can find them in Pakistan too.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    I think my reasons have been discussed here multiple times, but here is a quick recap.

    1. Debt issues.

    2. Family issues.

    3. Personal issues.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    I swear it is like a hundred times harder for a man to get married than a woman and on top of that we're the ones with the higher needs. Its mostly finance reasons for me, I've got my existing family to look after before I can even think of starting a new one.
    People who are having troubles finding pious wifes - you lot need to come to Leicester. I've heard of brothers here having the nikah in the masjid and just a simple dinner with close family/friends for the wedding.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    I heard that in Islam the male is supposed to may for weddings/nikkha. That would be a bigger problem to you gotta be rich....
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    format_quote Originally Posted by PoweredByGoogle View Post
    I heard that in Islam the male is supposed to may for weddings/nikkha. That would be a bigger problem to you gotta be rich....
    the male gives a large gift to the bride, but goes to the brides side to pick her up, and so the brides side has a celebration and invites everyone to a feast, the male then brings the bride back and calls a feast,
    this can be small or large, expensive or cheap, depending on the ability of both parties,

    my family and their's got together and did the wedding and walima together - split halfway.
    my sister wanted to hire a more expensive hall, but the mother in law said: that's nothing to do with her where we choose it, as the main feast is the wedding.
    went low cost and smoothly - other than all the tickets to BD.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    Reading some of these experiences has been quite sad. May Allaah help all of you to find a good spouse very soon.
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    As'Salaamu Alaaykum

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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammad Aseem View Post
    Assalam o alaikum all,

    I've a question for all you single people out there who have been actively looking tget married

    What's your biggest frustration / fear in getting married , the reason why you haven't gotten married so far?

    I ask cuz I've been happily married for a few years and I love this - I just wonder why my friends (and some of my wife's friends) aren't able to get married.


    I have many frustrations, each one as petty as the next. But instead of worrying about these problems, I looked at their wisdoms because after all the decree of Allah is always good.

    Of the biggest wisdom I learnt is to be diligent in keeping my duty to Allah, and not allow marriage to distance me from Him. I know this sounds very odd, but many people are not the same after marriage. I remember attending the weddings of my friends who are dear and beloved to me, and thinking to myself on the day of their wedding "when is it gonna be me?", but subhanAllah these same brothers have changed since. I have seen a change in their mannerisms, laxity in their worship and decrease in their diligence in pursuit of the hereafter. This came to me as a surprise as these were once brothers who were beacons of guidance amongst their peers, but somehow marriage has caused a changed in them.

    I still love these brothers very much, but seeing this has been a lesson for me to stay firm and steadfast upon my duties to Allah - now and after marriage. Marriage will come, but it is not the criteria for success. Success in this life and the next is for those who ...persevere patiently... [3:186]
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    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    I have many frustrations, each one as petty as the next. But instead of worrying about these problems, I looked at their wisdoms because after all the decree of Allah is always good.

    Of the biggest wisdom I learnt is to be diligent in keeping my duty to Allah, and not allow marriage to distance me from Him. I know this sounds very odd, but many people are not the same after marriage. I remember attending the weddings of my friends who are dear and beloved to me, and thinking to myself on the day of their wedding "when is it gonna be me?", but subhanAllah these same brothers have changed since. I have seen a change in their mannerisms, laxity in their worship and decrease in their diligence in pursuit of the hereafter. This came to me as a surprise as these were once brothers who were beacons of guidance amongst their peers, but somehow marriage has caused a changed in them.

    I still love these brothers very much, but seeing this has been a lesson for me to stay firm and steadfast upon my duties to Allah - now and after marriage. Marriage will come, but it is not the criteria for success. Success in this life and the next is for those who ...persevere patiently... [3:186]


    Depending of what kind of wives who they married. If they married Good wives they would become better persons. If they married Bad wives they would become worse persons.


    PS : Good and Bad in this post is not physical appearance, but character, behavior, personality and religious level.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post


    Depending of what kind of wives who they married. If they married Good wives they would become better persons. If they married Bad wives they would become worse persons.


    PS : Good and Bad in this post is not physical appearance, but character, behavior, personality and religious level.
    As far as I know, all of these women are religiously committed.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    As far as I know, all of these women are religiously committed.
    Are you sure ?

    I know some brothers who become worse after they married women who focus on dunya matter such as wealth and luxury. I know some brothers who become better after they married religious women. But this is the first time I hear someone becomes worse after married a religious woman.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    Are you sure ?

    I know some brothers who become worse after they married women who focus on dunya matter such as wealth and luxury. I know some brothers who become better after they married religious women. But this is the first time I hear someone becomes worse after married a religious woman.
    Yes I am sure. But I only mentioned all of this to highlight the real goal in life.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post
    Of the biggest wisdom I learnt is to be diligent in keeping my duty to Allah, and not allow marriage to distance me from Him. I know this sounds very odd, but many people are not the same after marriage.
    Ditto. People change after marriage, either for the best or worse, but never use marriage as a means of moving away from Allah swt. Singles should make dua they marry a righteous spouse who will help them become more religious inshAllah.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Ghazalah View Post
    Ditto. People change after marriage, either for the best or worse, but never use marriage as a means of moving away from Allah swt. Singles should make dua they marry a righteous spouse who will help them become more religious inshAllah.


    Well, this single prays that he will become a better man first and foremost. I'll worry about the rest later.
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    One frustration is i didnt want to be a old dad, well im nearly 30, so there goes that lol.

    My family just want me to get married, borrow money, its not that easy , firstly i have to pay that money back , and secondly after that one big day, im going to be the one left at the end of the month struggling because i have no disposable income,


    And all us singletons, we should remember , once we get married, it doesnt mean we are going to be happy, sure it will take the lonliness,. but its a lot of responsibilty, so im dont knw why me or anyone else are running for it.

    I wont be able to nap or be able to leave my socks on da floor and have to share my sweeties
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    format_quote Originally Posted by noorseeker View Post
    One frustration is i didnt want to be a old dad, well im nearly 30, so there goes that lol.

    My family just want me to get married, borrow money, its not that easy , firstly i have to pay that money back , and secondly after that one big day, im going to be the one left at the end of the month struggling because i have no disposable income,


    And all us singletons, we should remember , once we get married, it doesnt mean we are going to be happy, sure it will take the lonliness,. but its a lot of responsibilty, so im dont knw why me or anyone else are running for it.

    I wont be able to nap or be able to leave my socks on da floor and have to share my sweeties
    Of course it's not easy you have to feed your family since its the males job. Imagine having four wifes eh?
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    my dream is to finish my degree then get married .. however i've been facing the pressure of society since i've got in college.. all my relatives ask me when will you get engaged and stuff .. i simply say : i don't want to meanwhile ! ..
    to my society this is not a logic reason/answer .. and i can understand .. but it's very logic for me coz i don't want to fail in marriage .. i must be prepared .. coz marriage has a lot of responsibility .. besides i believe when my Nasib comes! nothing will stand in between .. so no need to hasten anything .. and one must be careful in choosing his/her partner ..
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    Re: Frustrations in getting married

    i don't think marriage in general reduces ones good, some spouses motivate each other to good,
    and each spouse also sees doing good as a way of pleasing Almighty God AND their spouse at the same time,
    as can be seen from the Quran, Prophet Zakariya and his wife would rush or race to do good,

    the words are;

    innahum kaanoo yusaari'oona fil khayrat

    verily they would rush/race in good deeds


    89.
    And (remember) Zakariya, when he cried to his Lord: "O my Lord! leave me not without offspring, though thou art the best of inheritors."

    90. So We listened to him: and We granted him Yahya: We cured his wife's (Barrenness) for him.
    These (three) were ever quick in emulation in good works;
    they used to call on Us with love and reverence, and humble themselves before Us.

    91. And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.
    92. Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore serve Me (and no other).

    Quran: 21:89-92


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