That’s the conclusion of a small study done by a student at Brigham Young University after watching eight hours of the two most popular Disney “tween” shows featuring families. The results of the research — “Daddies or Dummies?” — are not particularly surprising.
Are “Good Luck Charlie” and “Girl Meets World” any different from previous sitcoms like “Roseanne” or “Home Improvement”? A 2001 study by Erica Scharrer in the Journal of Broadcasting & Electronic Media found that the number of times a mother told a joke at the father’s expense increased from 1.80 times per episode in the 1950s to 4.29 times per episode in 1990.
But what’s interesting about the new research is that the author, Savannah Keenan, also looked at the reaction of the children on screen to their fathers’ displays of cluelessness. At least half the time, children reacted “negatively” to these displays — by rolling their eyes, making fun of Dad, criticizing him, walking away while he’s talking or otherwise expressing their annoyance.
This behavior, especially on Disney shows, has become the norm to such a degree that parents regularly tell me they don’t allow their children to watch the channel. There’s no sex or violence — but there’s only so many times they want their children to watch their counterparts on screen ignore, insult or pretend to humor their parents for laughs.
We should probably be most concerned when dads are the butt of the joke. Decades ago, when the place of men in the family and in the work world was clear, the use of comedy to make the powerful powerless was understandable and helped lighten the mood by humanizing the authority figure.
Sure, kids tried to put one over on their fathers and sometimes they got away with it. But there was a sense that a father’s authority was something you had to work to get around. And that doing so came with real consequences.
Whether you were the teenage girl trying to sneak out on a date with the wrong boy or you were a kid who got caught breaking a vase when you were playing ball in the house and then lying about it, it was Dad’s rules and Dad’s wrath that you feared the most.
Today’s sitcoms, by contrast, often show dads trying to act like mothers have traditionally — and failing miserably. In an episode of “Black-ish,” the mother and father learn that they haven’t been saving as much money as they should have. The father, played by Anthony Anderson, was supposed to be in charge of the finances.
Not only does he prove to be an incompetent money manager, his wife, played by Tracee Ellis Ross, also says that if he doesn’t get his act together, then he’s going to have to start dealing with the children’s lives more — taking them to doctor appointments, worrying about their schedules, etc. — a fate he seems to fear more than death.
Not only has Anderson failed in his traditionally male role, but the assumption is that he would be a total disaster performing his wife’s duties.
He comes off looking like an idiot, and his wife — even though she acknowledges that she doesn’t like to do the family budgeting — looks like superwoman. She’s an Ivy League-educated surgeon running a house with four kids. All she wanted was her husband to be putting aside money for college, and he couldn’t even manage that.
Maybe the problem isn’t simply that men are portrayed as bumbling. Women in popular culture — and also in journalism — are portrayed as the people who can do it all. They’re showing how it’s possible to juggle careers and children, all without missing a beat. Can you imagine a popular comedy in which a woman really is falling down on the job?
The sitcom “Mom” offers viewers this contrast. Allison Janney is the aging recovering addict, a mother who did everything possible to screw up her daughter’s life. But the daughter is managing to raise children of her own, hold down a job, keep her mother’s predilections in check and even date occasionally. She’s got this all covered.
In a recent episode of “Girl Meets World,” the father, Cory, played by Ben Savage, tells his daughter and her friend that a fight between Superman and Batman wouldn’t be fair because one has superpowers and the other one doesn’t. His wife, Topanga, played by Danielle Fishel, gives the punch line: “Sort of like when you and I fight.”
The question is if women are really superwomen, how are men supposed to be anything but buffoons?
How long did it take for you to type all that? I can see that this is your forte. Let me give you some advice. Keep it succinct because ain't nobody gonna read all that.
"When a person sees the road as too long, he weakens in his walk." - Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah
It's not hugely surprising to learn that men in TV shows more frequently act like buffoons than women. I'm not sure how this is a problem though? It's a fairly accurate reflection of real life in my family!
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How long did it take for you to type all that? I can see that this is your forte. Let me give you some advice. Keep it succinct because ain't nobody gonna read all that.
If you're not used to reading, that might seem like a long text. It's a pretty typical length for an article though. I doubt it was typed too. Copy and paste is more likely.
Honestly, has anybody ever watched Peppa Pig with their children? It’s ridiculous how the dad is portrayed as dumb and lazy. In one episode they were learning about vegetables and had to draw one, the main character drew her father because she saw him as a ‘couch potato’. These are shows aimed at 3+ year olds. Downright disrespectful. Needless to say, I soon put a stop to Peppa Pig in our house but why is there even a need for fathers to be portrayed in such a way?!
It's not hugely surprising to learn that men in TV shows more frequently act like buffoons than women. I'm not sure how this is a problem though? It's a fairly accurate reflection of real life in my family!
Peace
It sounds like your family is identical to my grandma's situation. But you see here is the thing, while my grandpa is an idiot buffoon and weak of character and my grandma kicked his ass every single day and dominated him and stepped on him like a squished bug, my grandma was not happy. She was miserable. Everyone felt sorry for her and felt she suffered and was a victim. Personally, me? I do not. You know why I do not feel sorry for her or felt she is a victim? Because she choose him. Everyone told her to not marry him, he is not good in the mental department, he is slow in the head, he is weak and an idiot. She fought tooth and nail to marry him. Her sister married a smart man and lived richer life than my grandma. You see, women have the power to choose. She choose him.
Your mom whom married your dad and your dad is slow in the head the fault goes to your mother and not your father. Women who choose weak men, women who choose men of mental deficiency, of inferior intellect do it because it makes them feel good about themselves. They LOVE to lure it on their men that they are smarter than their men, better than their men, SUPERWOMAN and he is a weakling, peasant and of lesser than her...because she herself have complete insecurity about herself. By making her man feel a subordinate, unnecessary, redundant, inferior, lack of intellect, stupid, useless it makes her feel all powerful, strong, better, smarter than him and he have to obey her.
Last I checked in the animal kingdom the female bird or any female creature picks the best male of the best gene. You see in the animal kingdom the female want a man to be superior over her in every ounce of way, in the animal kingdom she wants the male to be better than her in intellect, in memory, in beauty, in whatever in the animal kingdom that animal thinks is the best gene to mate and she mates with that super male in hopes that super gene will be imprinted in her offspring and the weaker, inferior male goes instinct and all the best gene moves on. In terms of birds the most beautiful bird get to mate, the one that does the best dance, the one that is best to make sure he can protect the egg in winter, for the dogs the dominant male is the one to get to mate with the female. The weaker less dominant, less aggressive male the male that will not willing to die or get hurt in battle and win the battle will not mate with the female dog.
When we live in a society that glorifies female dominance and glorify female superiority and have media teach boys that this is the norm and then have articles and articles shaming boys for being boys and using history showing how bad women treated to justify women should now be in lead and it is about time women to take over the world and have laws to remove any incentive for males to achieve better at school and get married all together what we are making here is a formula for break up of marriage and breakup of family and separation of social gender all together. Let me explain to you the nature of women for a second.
Women marry up. Simple. WOMEN not little girls here, WOMEN marry up. Women want men to be better than them in every way even in intelligence, memory, comprehension and guess guess...maturity. Women by nature want mature men, not little boys. Women by nature want men to have A+ at school and have long time job and money and be responsible and be able to provide physically, spiritually, financially to the family she in hopes will have with him. She wants to know that this man will protect her and her family she will have with him, she wants to know that this man take responsibility and initiative, will be able to raise the children with her, will bring home the "bacon" sorta to speak. If she finds that majority of men around her are the drones, who sit home and she goes out to make money and he is a buffoon, an idiotic moron....she will recent him. She will hate him. She will disrespect him. She will step all over him. She will feel victim here. She will feel oppressed. She feels he is unnecessary and what is his role here and what is his use here. Big reason why Allah assigned men and not women to the leader and provider and protector and why Allah commanded the women to obey her husband and why she keeps her money to herself and his money is their money. There is a reason to this. Allah knows what he created. He knows the nature of women. Women's nature you see here now in 2018 have not changed since first woman Allah created from the rip of Adam. You can see all these thousands of years and her nature is 100% the same..no evolution or change.
In your case brother, your mother picked him as a husband and your father if you need to blame anyone..blame your mother. Sorry to say.
Also understand, I do not blame the men in the West for how they are. I blame society and feminism and these lesbian, women imitating men society that bread such men. I blame women who go have sex with men without marriage and have her son raised in a feminized society without any male role model or a father to look up too or provide her son with a lineage name or lineage or interaction with a male figure. I blame school that put all focus on girls and have waged war on boys. I blame society who do not care what happens to boys and glorify female supremacy. This bred men like your father mate. Sorry to say, it did not help in breeding healthy men. Now if people are happy with this setting and feel this is normal then I have nothing to say but smile and say whatever makes you happy . I hope your mother and father have a happy life where your mother wears the pant. Just make sure you understand it is your mother and not your father who is both the mom and dad and superwoman and you have to look up to her and not your father. You need to be opposite of your father and everything like your mom.
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Honestly, has anybody ever watched Peppa Pig with their children? It’s ridiculous how the dad is portrayed as dumb and lazy. In one episode they were learning about vegetables and had to draw one, the main character drew her father because she saw him as a ‘couch potato’. These are shows aimed at 3+ year olds. Downright disrespectful. Needless to say, I soon put a stop to Peppa Pig in our house but why is there even a need for fathers to be portrayed in such a way?!
Because when children learn to disrespect their father and glorify their mother, to make children know and feel fathers are unnecessary and useless and the mom is the super women it helps in real life situation where a divorce happens it can be justified why women only should have full custodial rights and fathers only purpose is to pay child support and no one in society not the children, mother and anyone would care if she cut ties between children and father and the good dads who crying for their rights will be muted by everyone. People and court will say, mothers are better suited at raising children, fathers cannot raise children and we will use science to justify it by saying women have two sides of the brain light up while men have only one side of the brain light up, thus men are inferior in intellect and not suitable to raising children.
It is a very convincing, isn't it? Children also grow up disrespecting their father and the one with the final say is the mother alone and when women dominate also in the house hold where husband must obey their wives and husbands are terrified to anger their wives and they cower like little children, women are the one to wear the pants, the children follow her like baby chicks and the husband is at the back seat to obey and submit. Pretty much the perfect incentive for me NOT TO GET MARRIED AND TELL every man out there AVOID MARRIAGE at all cost. Men..do...not....get....married. You WILL suffer. Yesterday, wallahi, Allah is my witness and after Allah my mom saw me and I did it right in front of her. I raised my hand high and with my inner heart I thanked Allah at the bottom of my heart and I said, "AL-HAMDILILLAH I AM NOT MARRIED!" and I thanked Allah like ten times and repeated Al-hamdillilah, Al-hamdolillah and I will say it here, "AL-HAMDOLILLAH I AM NOT MARRIED AND I DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN!!" . This is what I saw through the window. A Philippine woman screaming at her husband, pointing finger at him and shouting and screaming at him and going on and on and on and on and on and on and on at him wagging her finger. as she is moving toward him.....and he moved back cowering in the corner like a little dog, and their son watching all of this. Excellent image this will bring the son. Perfect, because you see now that boy will marry JUST THAT woman will be emotionally abusive and physically abusive to him..repeating the cycle. Anyways, ones the shouting and shaming is finished, she placed both her hands in her pockets, like a rooster, put her hood on and strutted back home. Her son like a baby chicken followed his mother and her husband came later after a while with a basket looking down like a boy being scolded by his mom. Yeeeeah...beautiful! Very incentive for me to lose all what I have for THAT!
Beeeautifulll!! Nice! Nice! Nice! Nice!
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I don’t really think it’s as deep as you say, you sound like a conspiracy theorist. I agree that dads are not always portrayed in the best light but that’s as far as I’ll go in agreeing with you. You need to speak to a professional about your thoughts and feelings surrounding marriage and the roles of men and women. Sounds as though you have some personal issues to resolve. All the best
@ op
You seem to be going too in depth about this kinda stuff. Really, practically all your posts are about women/girls. We get it, us women/girls are evil tyrants who want to destroy the fabric of society.
this was very amusing to me sorry, granted you will marry someday and realize the rewards, blessings and even beauty it holds to be a married man that has a caring, loving wife and partner. Men may be inferior or weaker than woman mentally as I think you have mentioned, though that is not always the case or entirely so. But you must know that our greatest Prophet and Beloved of Allah the Messenger married and his women could also express their feelings i.e. jealousy etc. but that did not make our prophet any less of a man. He was the best and Blessed ever upon mankind. We take inspiration and lessons from his life and the beautiful qualities in which his wives have now, for men and women.
I found this awesome hadith; Narrated by Anas bin Malik
A group of three men came to the houses of the wives of the Prophet asking how the Prophet worshipped (Allah), and when they were informed about that, they considered their worship insufficient and said, "Where are we from the Prophet as his past and future sins have been forgiven." Then one of them said, "I will offer the prayer throughout the night forever." The other said, "I will fast throughout the year and will not break my fast." The third said, "I will keep away from the women and will not marry forever." Allah's Apostle came to them and said, "Are you the same people who said so-and-so? By Allah, I am more submissive to Allah and more afraid of Him than you; yet I fast and break my fast, I do sleep and I also marry women. So he who does not follow my tradition in religion, is not from me (not one of my followers)." sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72 #1
Females may not all be actual superwomen but they do carry their spouse children for 9 months, endure child labor and the extra love and effort dedicated to the kids. They are very feeling and do care for their life-partner husband and enjoy all the good nd joy it brings, you cannot entirely compare them to the motherhood and femininity animal birds or polar bears have for instance, because humankind are the crown of creations. And the caring Muslim woman will treat you as Islam teaches, so please dont be too persistent in remaining unmarried such as for the rest of your elderly years i.e. 80+ and there is nothing to be frightened about at all.. Maybe it is your calling to focus and bring more attention to your interests, hobbies etc. and Allah will show you later when it is the perfect time for you as well. The more you care and focus on your 'perfect incentive' you may see through only* in that light and lose sight of the actual reality and truth marriage is. Let us say al-hamdulilla for everything and what He could bless you with in future.
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Edit: also pls take a second look at the hadith I added, its certainly a great one masha Allah
Unfortunately, I am broken. Result of society construct where all men are evil and all women are good. I am a damaged good. Because I do not hate women and don't want evil intend happen to them, I am protecting them by not marrying me. I am not marriage material anymore. I cannot give her, her rights and the last thing I want to do is harm a sister where her family went through so much to raise her and take good care of her and then she end up with a person like me. They say that every man have his soulmate. Well if my soulmate is out there to forget me and to find a strong man who can give her all her rights. I have lived with my mom all my life and never had a male role model at all and my dad died when I was a little boy. Then I left middle east and came to the West where they bash men day in and day night all day long and seek female dominance and superimacy that formed me the way I am. I am not going to change or able to change at all so I am not fit for marriage and I am ok with it, really. I have my brothers and my mom to live with and as I age older and older whatever marriage desire disappears even more and more. I do not have the maturity for marriage or the responsibility instilled in me to be able to get married or handle marriage or stay in marriage (in the end the wife will step all over me and repeat cycle and I refuse to be dominated at or told what to do. The second the wife would raise her voice at me or wag her finger at me or shout at me I will run back home, and send divorce papers and go through legality and done. I will not stay one second when dealing with verbal abuse. Sorry. If she is pregnant and acted bad at me I will leave her and disappear from her sight and let her raise the kids alone. I am not fit and best I do not open a door I cannot handle). As I was never taught by a male figure what marriage is all about because I never had one, I have never seen an example of how wife and husband act, was never taught Islamically how to act and even if I read ahadith it is hard for me to instill it at this age when it should have being second hand nature when taught to me as a little boy, you best make dua I never do get married. I am protecting the sisters from me.
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One does not know what's good for him unless he tries and trusts in Allah. May Allah make everything easy and bless a good marriage with an aware, caring and content wife for you,
You need to be opposite of your father and everything like your mom.
You have made an enormous number of assumptions about what my mother and father are like, despite knowing basically nothing about them. My father is in fact a very impressive man in several different ways. I can't imagine anyone doing a better job of being a father than he has, and I admire him immensely. He also has an excellent sense of humour; that's all I was referring to earlier.
xboxisdead, you need to stop putting so much focus what you perceive is unfair treatment of men due to women or society. You are here for one purpose, to worship Allah. Your goal is Paradise, so utilize your time and effort and obtaining beneficial knowledge and righteous actions to get you there. These posts of your suggests a lot of obsessed time wasted that are only demoralizing you, i.e. "I am damaged goods" "I'm not marriage material anymore" and feeling that you have to "protect sisters from me". Stop for a moment and ask yourself, "Is all this time and effort helping me get to point A to point B?" Because I don't think its working for you.
xboxisdead, you need to stop putting so much focus what you perceive is unfair treatment of men due to women or society. You are here for one purpose, to worship Allah. Your goal is Paradise, so utilize your time and effort and obtaining beneficial knowledge and righteous actions to get you there. These posts of your suggests a lot of obsessed time wasted that are only demoralizing you, i.e. "I am damaged goods" "I'm not marriage material anymore" and feeling that you have to "protect sisters from me". Stop for a moment and ask yourself, "Is all this time and effort helping me get to point A to point B?" Because I don't think its working for you.
Well I will be accounted for how I treat the sisters when I marry one of them and you know what, rightfully so. If I know I will not be able to be the man of the house and give her right it is best I do not marry her period and let her either be treated the way she deserves to be treated by her family or by a man who can give her what I can't. I already am failing in protecting myself and improving myself how do you expect a person like me to take care of someone else. Sorry. I would rather have die virgin, single and no family than harm someone else because of my incompetence. I am too old to change mind you. The amount of white hair in my head supercede the black hire and I am 38 year old. Old. Old.
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Greetings,
You have made an enormous number of assumptions about what my mother and father are like, despite knowing basically nothing about them. My father is in fact a very impressive man in several different ways. I can't imagine anyone doing a better job of being a father than he has, and I admire him immensely. He also has an excellent sense of humour; that's all I was referring to earlier.
Peace
Sorry. I assumed wrong because you said your family is like the sitcom in TV and those have no positive image to fathers and husband and usually those men are buffon who will hit the wall when they walk and can't even know how to pee alone. My mistake
This is a very strong message this guy is saying right here:
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xboxisdead, you need to stop putting so much focus what you perceive is unfair treatment of men due to women or society. You are here for one purpose, to worship Allah. Your goal is Paradise, so utilize your time and effort and obtaining beneficial knowledge and righteous actions to get you there. These posts of your suggests a lot of obsessed time wasted that are only demoralizing you, i.e. "I am damaged goods" "I'm not marriage material anymore" and feeling that you have to "protect sisters from me". Stop for a moment and ask yourself, "Is all this time and effort helping me get to point A to point B?" Because I don't think its working for you.
As hard as this advice is Bro Misbah is right, you need a bit of this
I actually agree with you on some points, the destruction of the family system particularly in modern societies has led to dysgenic outcomes. Compare and contrast with traditional (Islamic) societies where you have at least a standard of behaviour.
Dont let the media poison your mind.
Having said that the behaviours your displaying are not attractive to women, you have to be manly, masculine, like somebody else said
A man does not have to be good looking, just fit, energetic, confident, productive, and goal oriented. Those are the characteristics that will make any man attractive to just about any woman.
I think your going through your 5 stages of grief. It can be hard when reality hits, its painful, its nasty but you will get through it eventually.
Remember our history the Prophet and his companions, did they have it easy? Did they complain all the time?
If you need help on how to handle women etc, come to brothers section or if you need proper advice there are plenty of books that are compatible with Islam that can help you get through your predicament.
And dont forget there are plenty of Good well brought up women out their, you just have to look.
As hard as this advice this Bro Misbah is right, you need a bit of this
I actually agree with you on some points, the destruction of the family system particularly in modern societies has led to dysgenic outcomes. Compare and contrast with traditional (Islamic) societies where you have at least a standard of behaviour.
Dont let the media poison your mind.
Having said that the behaviours your displaying are not attractive to women, you have to be manly, masculine, like somebody else said
I think your going through your 5 stages of grief. It can be hard when reality hits, its painful, its nasty but you will get through it eventually.
Remember our history the Prophet and his companions, did they have it easy? Did they complain all the time?
If you need help on how to handle women etc, come to brothers section or if you need proper advice there are plenty of books that are compatible with Islam that can help you get through your predicament.
And dont forget there are plenty of Good well brought up women out their, you just have to look.
Were here to help you don't give up .
You know what? I will do that! I will linger in the brothers section. I seriously need masculine influence and be surrounded by brothers to recharge myself. There is no place for a man in the West and all feminized it does literally destroy you as a man, to have a place where Muslim brothers can meet everyday is very needed healing process. I will be posting there majority of the time until my characters are all fixed up or at least majority of the time Insha'Allah.
You know what? I will do that! I will linger in the brothers section. I seriously need masculine influence and be surrounded by brothers to recharge myself. There is no place for a man in the West and all feminized it does literally destroy you as a man, to have a place where Muslim brothers can meet everyday is very needed healing process. I will be posting there majority of the time until my characters are all fixed up or at least majority of the time Insha'Allah.
I will be joining you Insha Allah in that forum but have to wait another 3 months before I am qualified. We can shoot the breeze with man talk.
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You also have to have at least 200 posts besides being a member for 6 months. So you have another 79 posts to go xboxisdead. Please keep them short and about something other than man oppression...
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. I hope your mother and father have a happy life where your mother wears the pant. Just make sure you understand it is your mother and not your father who is both the mom and dad and superwoman and you have to look up to her and not your father. You need to be opposite of your father and everything like your mom.
this was very amusing to me sorry, granted
you will marry someday and realize the rewards, blessings and even beauty it holds to be a married man that has a caring, loving wife and partner. Men may be inferior or weaker than woman mentally as I think you have mentioned, though that is not always the case or entirely so. But you must know that our greatest Prophet and Beloved of Allah the Messenger
married and his women could also express their feelings i.e. jealousy etc. but that did not make our prophet any less of a man. He was the best and Blessed ever upon mankind. We take inspiration and lessons from his life and the beautiful qualities in which his wives have now, for men and women.
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I will linger in the brothers section. I seriously need masculine influence and be surrounded by brothers to recharge myself. There is no place for a man in the West and all feminized it does literally destroy you as a man, to have a place where Muslim brothers can meet everyday is very needed healing process. I will be posting there majority of the time until my characters are all fixed up or at least majority of the time Insha'Allah.
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