Many ahiska turks never marry outside their ethnic group as a rule, and i heard one story of a turk and an ahiska getting married in secret. if someone wanted to marry a girl with racist parents, can they marry in secret since the parents are sinful?
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
Many ahiska turks never marry outside their ethnic group as a rule, and i heard one story of a turk and an ahiska getting married in secret. if someone wanted to marry a girl with racist parents, can they marry in secret since the parents are sinful?
What does secret means first kindly elaborate. Second if it means without parents permission then it will be valid marriage but she must not do it. Cuz marriage is not a child play but serious affairs and bear hardships etc.
قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
و قال ايضا:*اذا لم تستحي،فاصنع ما شئت*
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
And do you intend to do the impossible and hide your pregnant wife as well? Because after marriage comes babies insha Allah.
Marriage is an open act of worship and should be a celebration.
If the parents are racist approach the parents, speak to them gently and with compassion, give it time, make dua etc. eventually they will agree. If they don't then speak to your imam to see what the best resolution is.
Mixing amongst different races isn't always about racism. Us humans are programmed to be amongst people of similar values and culture etc. Have an open mind.
Pain and hardships allow you to grow spiritually Alhamdulilah so smile when a so called calamity befalls upon you.
Alhamdulilah Allah swt is the greatest.
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
Marriage is an open act of worship and should be a celebration.
If the parents are racist approach the parents, speak to them gently and with compassion, give it time, make dua etc. eventually they will agree. If they don't then speak to your imam to see what the best resolution is.
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by MazharShafiq
Marriage is an open act of worship and should be a celebration.
If the parents are racist approach the parents, speak to them gently and with compassion, give it time, make dua etc. eventually they will agree. If they don't then speak to your imam to see what the best resolution is.
quit plagiarizing (stealing) people's posts. your not adding anything original to the conversation. youre just taking other peoples answers and rewording them. it's annoying.
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
quit plagiarizing (stealing) people's posts. your not adding anything original to the conversation. youre just taking other peoples answers and rewording them. it's annoying.
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
quit plagiarizing (stealing) people's posts. your not adding anything original to the conversation. youre just taking other peoples answers and rewording them. it's annoying.
Dear zinto if two people answer are the same then i guess its not problem and niether good manners too . As it revokes anger and after war in teror another war starts . WAR IN POSTS
قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
و قال ايضا:*اذا لم تستحي،فاصنع ما شئت*
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
When I was young some people in family of a girl ever offered idea to me to get married secretly. I and the girl from that family loved each other. But there was a problem regarding to custom and tradition. Age of marriage in their community was younger than in my community. That's why they wanted me marry that girl immediately. But my mother very against it since I was still study in university. So they offered idea to marry that girl secretly, and telling my mother later after I finished my study and have a job.
Did I accept this idea?. I could not disrecpect my mother like that. If I got married secretly, soon or later my mothe would know and would feel very disrespected.
Getting married secretly is action of disrespecting parents. So I really do not suggest it. And I very suggest the brothers here to not make a girl disrespecting her parents through secret marriage.
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
When I was young some people in family of a girl ever offered idea to me to get married secretly. I and the girl from that family loved each other. But there was a problem regarding to custom and tradition. Age of marriage in their community was younger than in my community. That's why they wanted me marry that girl immediately. But my mother very against it since I was still study in university. So they offered idea to marry that girl secretly, and telling my mother later after I finished my study and have a job.
Did I accept this idea?. I could not disrecpect my mother like that. If I got married secretly, soon or later my mothe would know and would feel very disrespected.
Getting married secretly is action of disrespecting parents. So I really do not suggest it. And I very suggest the brothers here to not make a girl disrespecting her parents through secret marriage.
Everyone is not same as you dear bro.. u really respected ur mother's words..
Time changed alot. U see alot of differences. Mostly people not respects elders but the this thing occured from elders not to teach them good manners and respect thus as u sow so shall u reap...
By the way thats off topic
قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
و قال ايضا:*اذا لم تستحي،فاصنع ما شئت*
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by فصيح الياسين
Everyone is not same as you dear bro.. u really respected ur mother's words..
Time changed alot. U see alot of differences. Mostly people not respects elders but the this thing occured from elders not to teach them good manners and respect thus as u sow so shall u reap...
By the way thats off topic
I keep having dreams that dream interpretations (including some of my own) indicate I will marry a girl without her parent's consent, at least initially. I interpreted one together with other interpretations as meaning I would wait patiently to legalize a union, but Allahu alem. I fear falling into sin. I also saw a dream whichan interpretation by the diyanet (religious directory of turkey) interpreted as meaning who it would be in particular. but let's not discuss the dreams in particular, as that is banned. EDIT: meaning that I would see a girl and then get married when her parents allow, i presume
Last edited by SintoDinto; 02-24-2019 at 07:32 PM.
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
When I was young some people in family of a girl ever offered idea to me to get married secretly. I and the girl from that family loved each other. But there was a problem regarding to custom and tradition. Age of marriage in their community was younger than in my community. That's why they wanted me marry that girl immediately. But my mother very against it since I was still study in university. So they offered idea to marry that girl secretly, and telling my mother later after I finished my study and have a job.
Did I accept this idea?. I could not disrecpect my mother like that. If I got married secretly, soon or later my mothe would know and would feel very disrespected.
Getting married secretly is action of disrespecting parents. So I really do not suggest it. And I very suggest the brothers here to not make a girl disrespecting her parents through secret marriage.
Did you end up marrying the girl after college? And is she the same girl as that village girl?
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto
Did you end up marrying the girl after college? And is she the same girl as that village girl?
The girl who I mentioned above was that village girl. She came from traditionalist family in traditionalist community. In that community, if a girl had left her teen age, then her value would be reduced. So a girl must get married at least in age 20/21 before her value reduced and reduced, and make her hard to get husband. That girl mother actually had planned to marry off her daughter with another guy. That’s why she rejected me in the beginning. But after long and intense approach, she allowed me to marry her daughter although her daughter must wait until I finished my study.
Did I end up marrying that village girl?. No. Later I married another girl who I knew earlier.
I managed to convince that girl mother to accept me (her father considered outsider since had divorced and remarried). But I failed to get approval from my mother. In my culture the guy mothers have big power. If a mother does not approve the girl who chosen by her son, it will make this girl afraid to marry her son. And if a mother like a girl, then she will force her son to choose this girl. That’s what happened. So that village girl decide d to not marry me, and I married another girl who be liked my mother.
Re: Is it permissible to get married secretly if the girl's parents are racist?
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
The girl who I mentioned above was that village girl. She came from traditionalist family in traditionalist community. In that community, if a girl had left her teen age, then her value would be reduced. So a girl must get married at least in age 20/21 before her value reduced and reduced, and make her hard to get husband. That girl mother actually had planned to marry off her daughter with another guy. That’s why she rejected me in the beginning. But after long and intense approach, she allowed me to marry her daughter although her daughter must wait until I finished my study.
Did I end up marrying that village girl?. No. Later I married another girl who I knew earlier.
I managed to convince that girl mother to accept me (her father considered outsider since had divorced and remarried). But I failed to get approval from my mother. In my culture the guy mothers have big power. If a mother does not approve the girl who chosen by her son, it will make this girl afraid to marry her son. And if a mother like a girl, then she will force her son to choose this girl. That’s what happened. So that village girl decide d to not marry me, and I married another girl who be liked my mother.
Sounds a lot like arab family, where the mother has a lot of power in such decision making. In the subcontinent, it's the father.
And in terms of marrying secretly and eloping, it's overwhelmingly done by girls, not by guys in the indian subcontinent.
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