Every world religion is hypocritical and false.

**SlipknotGag79** · 07-06-2008

Allaah tells us in the Qur'aan that only Muslims will enter Jannah

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Hahahahaha

So let me guess.. Allah creates humans in the first place and sends to hell those who have never heard of the existence of Allah ?
Is this admitting he wishes to punish those who do not submit to him ? Even if they are unaware of his existence ?
Why did he create them in the first place then ? To gain pleasure from their misery ?
Does that make Allah a favoritist ? a sadistic Creator ? a madosachist ?
Why would he feel the need to test his creations in the first place ? He is omnipotent so he must know the outcome already. If he created the universe why did he not create a utopia ? Surely he wants all those who oppose him to suffer on Earth and burn in hell.
The afterlife is limited to those born to parents of Muslim faith ?

I could think of a lot more when I have time

**Tornado** · 07-06-2008

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

It's like trying to convince an 8 year old using logic and reasoning that Santa Claus is not real. Except 8 year olds don't quote passages from a Holy Christmas book.

You are underestimating kids. I'd say that convincing an 8 year old using logic is easier than convincing an adult! Kids are very inquisitive.

**Fishman** · 07-06-2008

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

So he gives us free will to judge and think about religion but sends us to hell if we choose to disobey him ? Then he is surely a sadistic ruler. Not all humans have been exposed to Islam in their lifetimes, which means he is letting innocent creatures suffer.
We have the choice to disobey Him, but not the right. You can rob a bank, but you don't have the right to do it.

**SlipknotGag79** · 07-06-2008

But humans have existed on Earth before religion. Which means that our ancestors are burning in hell for not believing in Allah, regardless of whether they were born thousands of years before him or not.

**'Abd al-Baari** · 07-06-2008

This should help, I hope.

The reason why God is God is because He is perfect.

In arabic, an illaah is anything which is worshipped. Worship consists of being a slave (abd), and doing anything which your master commands you (ibaadah.)

The only true illaah who can be obeyed is the One who is Perfect, this is why Islam does not permit the worship of the creation.

That's why, God is known as Al-Illaah (Allah) - the One and only true God.

Since God is not like His creation in any way, and He is Perfect. There is none similar or like Him in any way - this is a sign of His Uniqueness. So none shares His Power, Knowledge, Wisdom, or any of His Attributes.

For One to be Perfect, they can not have an equal in any way. So those who claim that God is similar to His creation - they are contradicting this concept.

There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.
[Qur'an Ash-Shura 42:11]

He has many Attributes, but there is none Like Him in sharing these attributes.

So when He is the Seer, Hearer, Knower, Powerful etc. - He is in reality all of these, however - there is none like Him in these attributes in any way. We do not know the 'howness' of these Attributes, but we accept them as they are. We cannot comprehend God, so we accept them without knowing the details.

This is God's Perfection, a perfection which people throughout history have differed about. And this Qur'an was sent down to unite mankind on what they differed.

And Allah knows best.

**Eeman** · 07-06-2008

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

Ok. I won't spam and I won't attack anyone.

Just a couple things i've noticed:

-Allah is omnipotent
-Allah declares than only Muslims may enter Jannah
-Allah created humanity
-The religion of Islam has not existed since the beginning of humanity
-Allah is omnipotent thus he surely realizes this and knowingly lets millions of creatures burn in Hell
-Thus the conclusion = Allah is sadistic

The next question is, why does Allah like Muslims more than others ?
He could have created a world only filled with Muslims constantly praising him if he wanted to. But if he couldn't he is not omnipotent. If he is not omnipotent then he could not have created an immense universe.

Allah swt is omnipotent without a doubt

Allah swt declares that only muslims go to jannah?
No not muslims as in muslims by name but the true believers of His faith yes. Nowadays you have many people that claim to be muslims but are they really???

Allah swt not only created humanity but created EVERYTHING in His creation.

Allah swt's message has always been one. from Adam saw who was the first form of human that Allah swt created. hat a lot of people forget is that islam is merely a name given to Allah swt's final message to differentiate it from the other messages that He sent forth and were fabricated by none us but mankind themelves, so if you think about it adam was a muslim, so was abraham, and musa, and isa and mohammad (pbut) cos they were all trying to convey the SAME MESSAGE to mankind!!!!!!!!! islam the name was only given to Allah swt's religion to distinguish it from judaism and christianity.

Allah swt knows of our actions from the day we take our first breath to the day we take our last breath, but has placed upon us what is called FREE WILL!!! the path of right and the path of wrong!!!!!!!!!
and it is upto us His slaves what path we walk on thus this is what we will be held into account for!!!!!!!!

THEREFORE your conclusion is wrong and you need to turn to Allah and ask for forgiveness and repent, go literate yourself read the Qur'an and reflect upon its messageand ask sincerely Allah swt to guide your lost heart!!! When someone's heart is filled with filth and evil this is the result, instead of truning to Him to repent you refute His message and way of life cos of the love of this life and the love and lust for evil in your heart!

It's amazing how when a salve does nothing but wrongs himself over and over again, with no fear of the Almighty but out of His own evil an wickedness thn when calamity befalls him then He starts pointing their finger at Allah swt, with dumb excuses, when it clearly states in the Qur'an that no calamity would befall you other than what your own hands have earned, and
and in the case of the believers it is merely to test them.

You sound like a confused brother or sister i suggest you sit and reflect upon yourself and your own doings in your life, point the finger at yourself maybe things might start making sense to you!

**Fishman** · 07-06-2008

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

But humans have existed on Earth before religion. Which means that our ancestors are burning in hell for not believing in Allah, regardless of whether they were born thousands of years before him or not.

The True Religion has existed since since the first man in various forms. It may have even existed before this, but I'm not sure.

**SlipknotGag79** · 07-06-2008

For One to be Perfect, they can not have an equal in any way. So those who claim that God is similar to His creation - they are contradicting this concept

So since he is the creator he has the right to let millions of lives suffer ? Then we should be comparing him to an eternal dictator.

Allah swt's message has always been one. from Adam saw who was the first form of human that Allah swt created.

So you believe that Allah created the Earth 6,000 years ago ? Or do you believe that he was the cause of the "Big Bang" and the resulting universe ?

THEREFORE your conclusion is wrong and you need to turn to Allah and ask for forgiveness and repent, go literate yourself read the Qur'an and reflect upon its messageand ask sincerely Allah swt to guide your lost heart!!! When someone's heart is filled with filth and evil this is the result, instead of truning to Him to repent you refute His message and way of life cos of the love of this life and the love and lust for evil in your heart!

Heart filled with evil ? What about a mind filled with knowledge ?

You sound like a confused brother or sister i suggest you sit and reflect upon yourself and your own doings in your life, point the finger at yourself maybe things might start making sense to you!

Sounds to me like you're scared of death, and your answer is to praise a God that may or may not exist.

**'Abd al-Baari** · 07-06-2008

Hey slipknot,

Try searching for some of your questions through the search facility. Many of your refutations have been answered already.

**Fishman** · 07-06-2008

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

So since he is the creator he has the right to let millions of lives suffer ?
Yes. The same way that your boss has the right to fire you.

So you believe that Allah created the Earth 6,000 years ago ? Or do you believe that he was the cause of the "Big Bang" and the resulting universe ?
I don't think the earth was created 6000 years ago. We have scientific evidence about things before that, like ancient bone tools found on the bottom of the sea where there would have been land during the ice age.
I don't really know how this is relevant.

Sounds to me like you're scared of death, and your answer is to praise a God that may or may not exist.
If there is no Afterlife then there will be no answer to dread.

Threechars

**Pen Marks** · 07-06-2008

I don’t think this thread is getting anywhere...

PS. try reading the quran it'll answer all ur questions *don't waste ur time trying to debate us cuz anyone who's got the quran and sunnah is gona win*

**Nájlá** · 07-06-2008

spot on

**SlipknotGag79** · 07-06-2008

Hey slipknot,

Try searching for some of your questions through the search facility. Many of your refutations have been answered already

Alright so pretty much you believe religion has always been on Earth, some humans have chosen to disobey Allah and will suffer the consequences for it.

read the Qur'an and reflect upon its messageand ask sincerely Allah swt to guide your lost heart!!!

I agree with the messages of Christianity too, love thy neighbour, etc, but the question is, is it a holy book or a fantasy novel written thousands of years ago ?

Would the world be in chaos without God ? Is God the only hope for a world filled with misery, hunger and violence ? Is he a magical superman with the power to save humanity ? Is he a creation to soothe our minds from the harshness of reality ?

I could write a book myself with the answers to every imaginable question and pass it off as the work of a Holy Deity, and be worshipped by millions of people in the future.

**Eeman** · 07-06-2008

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

Alright so pretty much you believe religion has always been on Earth, some humans have chosen to disobey Allah and will suffer the consequences for it.

I agree with the messages of Christianity too, love thy neighbour, etc, but the question is, is it a holy book or a fantasy novel written thousands of years ago ?

Would the world be in chaos without God ? Is God the only hope for a world filled with misery, hunger and violence ? Is he a magical superman with the power to save humanity ? Is he a creation to soothe our minds from the harshness of reality ?

I could write a book myself with the answers to every imaginable question and pass it off as the work of a Holy Deity, and be worshipped by millions of people in the future.

Why dont you try...
infact Allah swt as challenged mankind and jinns to do so so go on bro give it a try.

**SlipknotGag79** · 07-06-2008

I don't think the earth was created 6000 years ago. We have scientific evidence about things before that, like ancient bone tools found on the bottom of the sea where there would have been land during the ice age.
I don't really know how this is relevant.

It's relevant in the sense that you believe that religion has always existed, but you believe the Earth is older than 6,000 years old ? The first human was then created by Allah millions of years ago ? Or did the first humans not have language, not know anything about "Allah" or "Islam" and are frying in hell right now as a consequence ?

PS. try reading the quran it'll answer all ur questions *don't waste ur time trying to debate us cuz anyone who's got the quran and sunnah is gona win

Other than quote passages from a book you have no way to debate with me. It's exactly the same thing as Christianity. I could write a book myself and have it answer every question about death,etc wouldn't matter if i'm telling the truth as long as I make some money !

**Uthman** · 07-06-2008

Hi Slipknot,

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

I could write a book myself with the answers to every imaginable question and pass it off as the work of a Holy Deity, and be worshipped by millions of people in the future.

But would your book be as miraculously eloquent as the Qur'an? Would it be contain prophecies that would come to be fulfilled later on? Would it be free from scientific error, such that science would not contradict it even 1400 years after it is written?

Regards

**Abdul Fattah** · 07-06-2008

Slipknot, you aren't asking questions, so what's with the question marks behind all your sentences? If you genuinely want to learn, then ask questions rather then passing judgments. If you genuinely want to debate; then follow the rules of debate, meaning give your opponents the benefit of the doubt, construct arguments, don't pass baseless comments and so on. If you genuinely want to waste our time, then goodbye.

**SlipknotGag79** · 07-06-2008

But would your book be as miraculously eloquent as the Qur'an? Would it be contain prophecies that would come to be fulfilled later on? Would it be free from scientific error, such that science would not contradict it even 1400 years after it is written?

Eloquence is subjective. Add in some poetic language, morals and people will think it is amazing. Science can definitely contradict the Koran. Science can prove that Allah didn't create the first human for example.

Slipknot, you aren't asking questions, so what's with the question marks behind all your sentences? If you genuinely want to learn, then ask questions rather then passing judgments. If you genuinely want to debate; then follow the rules of debate, meaning give your opponents the benefit of the doubt, construct arguments, don't pass baseless comments and so on. If you genuinely want to waste our time, then goodbye.

I haven't seen you say anything to contradict my arguments. Don't have any insightful philosophy to prove me wrong ?

**Tornado** · 07-06-2008

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

is it a holy book or a fantasy novel written thousands of years ago ?

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...atheist-4.html

I'd like to know and the discussion is in that thread.

Originally Posted by SlipknotGag79

Science can prove that Allah didn't create the first human for example.

I don't think science can prove that. What if this god created humans through evolution? If you say that Adam and Eve are the very first ancestors and are in absolutely no way related to other creatures, then I'd have a problem.

**SlipknotGag79** · 07-06-2008

What if this god created humans through evolution?

That is a possibility. That an infinitely superior God programmed our bodies, DNA, immune systems, etc. Something had to be created at some point by something.

Thanks for the link anyways I was looking for some good debates

**snakelegs** · 07-06-2008

skipnot,
if i may ask, what are you doing here and what do you hope to gain?
it seems like you already know all the answers and your questions about islam are not asked in the manner of a person seeking knowledge, but rather a person wanted to mock.