black magic/jinni stuff

Your prophet, peace be upon him, the mercy to mankind and jinn, was a human. Not from the jinn.

ah so THAT is how we're more powerful than us?
k make sense

Iblis was told to prostrate to Adam. Does this tell you anything?

iblis has a horrible disease of fourth grade jealousy?

The point I was making, is that the whole foundation of your religion is the Quran. If you can accept what the Quran tells you about Allah (a being that you cannot see in this world), then you should be able to accept what's told about jinn (a set of beings you can't see in this world).

yh but when u think of god you see the world he has created, when u think of jinni u see "those things" people talk bout.

Same difference, lol. If you're not afraid, quit trying to avoid them.

I wanna avoid them from coming true, and i awnna avoid them coming again, well...the bad ones... That prety much is the opposite of scared.

Make something fly? Is that what you imagine, when thinking of magic?

That is not the kind of magic talked about in the Quran. Not the silly Harry Potter stuff. But rather, the things that cause seperation between husband wife, unexplained illnesses etc.

ah so its life things...hm...

where did they learn it to begin with?

Jinns are a rather convenient explanation for a lot of the unexplained mysteries you see/hear about in this world, don't you think?

Yeh i know, but like what? Like a chair falling down with no one there? Could be ALLAH doing it? Why it go back to the jinn instead?

Magic was taught to humans/jinns by the two angels called Harut and Marut. They were sent down by Allah as a test, to see who would trangress. This is mentioned in the Quran.

Ooh, Ook So got one answer.

Just a word of advice, you seem sincere in your quest to learn, mashaAllah, so try and not be sarcastic or speak in a mocking tone when you ask questions relating to Islam. Doing so makes you come across as being insincere, thus you're likely to get negative responses.

Was i being sarcastic or mocking? I didnt mean it. my questions and responses just go out like that.

Jazakallah khair

worrevaaa alpha


i think what happens is we get to much involved in this stuff of jinns and all that, and there is so much more in islaam then the concept of jinns innayy like we should read about them, its obviously interesting and stuff, but the more you think about it the more your mind will be confoosed.

if a chair fallss down, maybe its the wind lol, if some one is actin cockle doo dooo, then mayb they are just high or excited lol, if someone sounds like a robot, maybe they are jus sufferin from diahorea lol all the unexplained stuff dont have to be always be jinn

and in many families especially asian ones, its so common that if anythin goes wrong "omg someone has done black magic on us" the kids dont study @ all, they flop their exams, "erm aunty maybe its cos he didnt study and he naturally got that grade" "NO SOMEONE DONE MAGIC"....

its just people become suspicious and paranoid about things quite a lot, when its not really a jinn or magic

jinns do exist, and we can only say what we have been told of them innayy,

format_quote Originally Posted by ...54M4K4H...

AssalamuAlaykum

Sometimes we need to accept that some things are part of Al-Ghayb and some things we will never know. The keys of the unseen belong to Allah alone. Saying that, if you see a Jinn...all the best. But for now, dont worry about them.

Think about fairies instead.

WassalamuAlaykum

A bit hard for me. Considering im pretty much in the level of the worst muslim?

Btw i hate fairies, im still waiting for my $10 from the toothfairy for 5 yrs. (JOOKING)
alpha:

lol. Funny question. I don't even know how to respond. :blind:

Unexplained phenomenon like chairs falling... people would most commonly attribute this to ghosts, perhaps. We as muslims have a better explanation and that is the jinn. Why would Allah want to scare people by knocking down chairs? *roll eyes*

Why? You got the whole alphabet in ur blood.
It COULD be allah, it could be a jinni, for ME i would say allah.
Maybe he was tryna squish an ant under the chair? Alright well allah is able to do anything, whenever he wants, he's al qadir to eeeverything.
Allah can scare us with jinni's, with dreams, with natural disasters, with bad people around us, why wouldn't he do this? Its all a test, see how scared we can be.

It does sometimes come across that way. Try and think about how people might perceive and react to your posts, before you hit that submit button.

sorry
I just mean to say something, or regret something, but i guess i make it sound like ima athiest or something

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worrevaaa alpha


i think what happens is we get to much involved in this stuff of jinns and all that, and there is so much more in islaam then the concept of jinns innayy like we should read about them, its obviously interesting and stuff, but the more you think about it the more your mind will be confoosed.

if a chair fallss down, maybe its the wind lol, if some one is actin cockle doo dooo, then mayb they are just high or excited lol, if someone sounds like a robot, maybe they are jus sufferin from diahorea lol all the unexplained stuff dont have to be always be jinn

and in many families especially asian ones, its so common that if anythin goes wrong "omg someone has done black magic on us" the kids dont study @ all, they flop their exams, "erm aunty maybe its cos he didnt study and he naturally got that grade" "NO SOMEONE DONE MAGIC"....

its just people become suspicious and paranoid about things quite a lot, when its not really a jinn or magic

jinns do exist, and we can only say what we have been told of them innayy,

are you thinking the same why i do? DONNNT

But yeh, mayb NONE of the times was a jinni

what ya mean sister twister

are you thinking the same why i do? DONNNT

?? sorry i only speak and understand english of a harvard/oxford/ level

format_quote Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

what ya mean sister twister



?? sorry i only speak and understand english of a harvard/oxford/ level

no u dont, you only sbeek the ghetto englsih (for ppl who hate the english language...like meh)

You sounded like u was sayin why it have to be the jinni, did you also mean jinni dont botha ppl??

format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude™

Chacha, just wait for that extra spicy kebab.

dont make me edit more stuff

and threatening a mod jeez, how low can you go

all im tryna do is my job, make this forum a better place for everyone

appreciate meee

format_quote Originally Posted by truemuslim

no u dont, you only sbeek the ghetto englsih (for ppl who hate the english language...like meh)

You sounded like u was sayin why it have to be the jinni, did you also mean jinni dont botha ppl??

lets act like you didnt write the first sentence

i meaant sister that like you know erm like that i meant that you know

basically like many a times we are paranoid about stuff, like thins are put into our head, for example when we were small we was told, if we go out of the sight of our parents in the park, we will get lost and their will be kidnappers and bla bla, worreva when i used to run away from parents i used to play with the big kids and felt elder until i realised they only used mee as a ball boy

so its like jinns are put in our head innit, or black magic

ok back on topic is this thread solved because its on the verge of bein closed..

any more Qs sistaaa

format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs

what is to prevent a person from doing something horrible and then claiming that he is innocent because he was possessed by a jinn at the time?

And I can tell you, judging from the news... there's of heck of a lot of that going on, but for real!

For the most part, these evil spirits destroy the ones they possess. Once in awhile some clues are left though. For instance the shooter at Virginia Tech... nobody seemed to pay attention to his video, but if they did, they would surely understand that the person who was talking was certainly NOT the kid who he possessed. The person who was talking was another soul, one that had already died, hence the words:

I gave you a million and one chances, but you decided to spill my blood, and now I will spill yours.

I'm beginning to suspect that certain anti-anxiety meds and study buddy drugs leave people wide open for possession. I just can't "prove" it. But I do know there are a number of souls, Jinns and otherwise out and about in the world today. I don't know how they got loose ~ but me thinks someone let them in. I'd be really careful if I were you. This is very dangerous ground.

The Ninth Scribe

its so hard to understand u...(jalebi)

lol

Ok, welllll, Is there ANY way to see a jinni? Other than quran is there any proof they exist?
Is there any proof including quran that they can possess, or form into things?
And for black magic...
Isnt the quran protected by allah so no one can do anything to it? Well in magic the jinn tell the magician to do stuff to the quran, bad stuff, and they do it...

?

So is the quran protected from black magic or not?
Where does it say that jinn can posses us unpowerful humans?

if someone copy and pasted this first, we could have solved the problem asap

anyway check this sister taken from good old islamqa.com


The Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that the jinn exist, and that there is a purpose for their existence in this life, which is to worship Allaah Alone, with no partner or associate. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“And I (Allaah) created not the jinns and humans, except they should worship Me (Alone).” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56].

“O assembly of jinns and mankind! Did there not come to you Messengers from amongst you, reciting unto you My Verses…?” [al-An’aam 6:130]

The world of the jinn is an independent and separate world, with its own distinct nature and features that are hidden from the world of humans. Jinns and humans have some things in common, such as the possession of understanding and the choice between the way of good and the way of evil. The word jinn comes from an Arabic root meaning “hidden from sight”. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… Verily he [Shaytaan] and his qabeeluhu [his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe] see you from where you cannot see them…” [al-A’raaf 7:27]

Allaah has told us in His Book the essence from which the jinn were created. He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame o fire.” [al-Hijr 15:27]

“And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.” [al-Rahmaan 55:15].

According to a hadeeth narrated by ‘Aa’ishah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The angels were created from light, the jinn were created from fire, and Aadam was created from that which has been described to you.” (Reported by Muslim, 5314).

Types of jinn

Allaah has created different types of jinn. Among them are some who can take on different forms, such as dogs and snakes; some who are like flying winds with wings; and some who can travel and rest. Abu Tha’labah al-Khushani said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The jinn are of three types: a types that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey.” (Reported by al-Tahhaawi in Mushkil al-Athaar, 4/95, and by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 22/214. Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Mishkaat (2/1206, no. 4148): al-Tahhaawi and Abu’l-Shaykh reported it with a saheeh isnaad).

The jinn and the sons of Aadam

Every individual among the sons of Aadam has a jinn who has been appointed to be his constant companion (qareen). Ibn Mas’ood said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘There is not one of you who does not have a jinn appointed to be his constant companion.’ They said, ‘And you too, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, ‘Me too, but Allaah has helped me and he has submitted, so that he only helps me to do good.’” (Reported by Muslim, 2814). Al-Nawawi said in his commentary on Muslim (17/175): “‘He has submitted’ … he became a believing Muslim. This is the apparent meaning. Al-Qaadi said: Know that the ummah is agreed upon the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was protected from Shaytaan, physically and mentally, and with regard to his speech. This hadeeth contains a reference to the warning against the fitnah (temptation, trial) and whispers of the qareen (constant companion from among the jinn). We know that he is with us so we should beware of him as much as possible.”

Their powers

Allaah has given the jinn powers that he has not given to humans. Allaah has told us about some of their powers, such as the ability to move and travel quickly. An ‘ifreet from among the jinn guaranteed to the Prophet Sulaymaan (peace be upon him) that he would bring the throne of the Queen of Yemen to Jerusalem in a moment faster than that needed for a man to get up from where he was sitting. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“An ‘ifreet (strong one) from the jinns said: ‘I will bring it [her throne] to you before you rise from your place (council). And verily, I am indeed strong, and trustworthy for such work.’ One with whom was knowledge of the Scripture said: ‘I will bring it to you within the twinkling of an eye!’ – then when Sulaymaan saw it placed before him, he said, ‘This is by the Grace of my Lord…’” [al-Naml 27:39-40].

The food and drink of the jinn

The jinn eat and drink. Ibn Mas’ood said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Someone from among the jinn called me, and I went with him and recited Qur’aan for them.’ He took us and showed us the traces of where they had been and the traces of their fires. They asked him for food and he said, ‘You can have every bone on which the name of Allaah has been mentioned that comes into your possession, as meat, and all the droppings as food for your animals.’ The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘So do not use [these things] for cleaning yourselves [after relieving oneself], for they are the food and provision of your brothers.’” (Reported by Muslim, 450). According to another report: “A delegation of jinn from Naseebeen came to me, and what good jinn they are! They asked me for food and I prayed to Allaah for them, so that they would not pass by bones or droppings, but they would find food on them.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3571). The believing jinn may eat any bone on which the name of Allaah has been mentioned, because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not permit them to have anything on which Allaah’s name has not been mentioned – those are for the kuffaar among the jinn.

The beasts of the jinn

According to the hadeeth narrated by Ibn Mas’ood, that we have quoted above, the jinn asked the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for provision, and he said to them: “…and [you can have] all the droppings as food for your animals.”

The dwelling-places of the jinn

The jinn live on this earth where we do. They are mostly to be found in ruins and unclean places like bathrooms, dunghills, garbage dumps and graveyards. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us to take precautions when entering such places, by reciting the adhkaar (prayers) prescribed by Islam. One of these was reported by Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: “When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered the toilet, he would say, ‘Allaahumma innee a’oodhu bika min al-khubuthi wa’l-khabaa’ith (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from the evil ones, male and female).’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 142; and Muslim, 375). Al-Khattaabi explained that khubuth is the plural of khabeeth (evil or dirty – masculine form), and khabaa’ith is the plural of khabeethah (evil or dirty – feminine form), and that what is meant is male and female shayaateen.

Some jinns are Muslims and some are kaafirs

Allaah tells us that some of the jinn said (interpretation of the meaning):

“ ‘And some of us are Muslims, and of us some are al-qaasitoon (disbelievers – those who have deviated from the Right Path). And whosoever has embraced Islam, then such have sought the Right Path. And as for the qaasitoon, they shall be firewood for Hell.’” [al-Jinn 72:14-15]

The Muslims among the jinn are of different levels as regards righteousness and taqwa. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“[Some jinn said:] ‘There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups, each having a different way (religious sects, etc.)’” [al-Jinn 72:11]

The story of how the first jinn of this ummah became Muslim was narrated by ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas, who said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out with a group of his Companions heading for the marketplace of ‘Ukaaz. This was when the shayaateen were prevented from getting any news from heaven, and shooting stars had been sent against them. The shayaateen went back to their people, who said, ‘What is the matter with you?’ They said, ‘We cannot get news from heaven, and shooting stars were sent against us.’ Their people said, ‘Nothing is stopping you from hearing news from heaven except some new event that must have happened. Go and look in the east and the west of the earth, and see if you can find out what it is that is stopping you from hearing news from heaven.’ Those who went out in the direction of Tihaamah came upon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in Nakhlah, when he was on his way to ‘Ukaaz, and found him leading his Companions in Fajr prayer. When they heard the Qur’aan, they listened to it and said, ‘By Allaah, this is what is stopping us from hearing news from heaven.’ When they went back to their people, they said, ‘O our people, we have heard a wonderful Recital (the Qur’aan). It guides to the Right Path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allaah). [al-Jinn 72:2 – interpretation of the meaning]. Then Allaah revealed to His Prophet peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the words (interpretation of the meaning): “Say (O Muhammad): ‘It has been revealed to me that a group of jinns listened (to this Qur’aan)…’ [al-Jinn 72:1], and Allaah revealed to him what the jinn had said.” (reported by al-Bukhaari, 731).

Their reckoning on the Day of Resurrection

The jinn will be called to account on the day of Resurrection. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, concerning the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “… but the jinns know well that they have indeed to appear (before Him) (i.e., they will be brought to account)” [al-Saffaat 37:158]: “They will be brought to judgement.” Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Baab Dhikr al-Jinn wa Thawaabihim wa ‘Iqaabihim.

Protection from the harm of the jinn

Because the jinn can see us while we cannot see them, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us many ways to protect ourselves from their harm, such as seeking refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan, reciting Soorat al-Falaq and Soorat al-Naas (the last two Soorahs of the Qur’aan), and reciting the words taught by Allaah in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Say: ‘My Lord! I seek refuge with You from the whisperings (suggestions) of the shayaateen (devils). And I seek refuge with You, my Lord, lest they may attend (or come near) me.’” [al-Mu’minoon 23:97-98]

Saying Bismillaah (in the Name of Allaah) before entering one’s home, before eating or drinking, and before having intercourse will also keep the Shaytaan from entering the house or partaking with a person in his food, drink and sexual activity. Similarly, mentioning the name of Allaah before entering the toilet or taking off one’s clothes will prevent the jinn from seeing a person’s ‘awrah or harming him, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “To put a barrier that will prevent the jinn from seeing the ‘awrah of the sons of Aadam, let any one of you say ‘Bismillaah’ when entering the toilet.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 551; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3611).

Strength of faith and religion in general will also prevent the jinn from harming a person, so much so that if they were to fight, the one who has faith would win. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “A man from among the Companions of Muhammad met a man from among the jinn. They wrestled, and the human knocked down the jinn. The human said to him, ‘You look small and skinny to me, and your forearms look like the front paws of a dog. Do all the jinn look like this, or only you?’ He said, ‘No, by Allaah, among them I am strong, but let us wrestle again, and if you defeat me I will teach you something that will do you good.’ The human said, ‘Fine.’ He said, ‘Recite, ‘Allaah! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Ever-living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists…’ [Aayat al-Kursi – al-Baqarah 2:255 – interpretation of the meaning]. The human said, ‘Fine.’ He said, ‘You will never recite this in your house but the Shaytaan will come out of it like a donkey breaking wind, and he will never come back in until the next morning.’” (Reported by al-Daarimi, 3247).

This is a brief summary about the jinn, and their nature and characteristics. Allaah is the Best of protectors and the Most Merciful of those who show mercy.

Jazakallah khair bro

NOW you can close the thread.
Jazakallah khair and jannah

hopee your Qs were answered

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