this is a vid of a game I enjoy playing on the xbox 360 altho I have not played it because I am not sure if it is Haraam or not? I was wondering if you guys could give me your opinion?
Islam is the TRUTH!!
"The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank."- Dante Gabriel Rossetti
As long as you get your priory's straight, there should not be a problem. Its all animated figures at the end of the day. Just dont get too attached to these video games. Inshallah.
I was having my own doubts about animated characters in MMOs...I mean, if you come accross a woman not dressed properly in the outside world, you can keep your eyes away, but in an mmo, if you have to fight that animated character, it's not so easy.
I'm just sticking to good 'ol battlefield 1942 and battlefield vietnam now.
Alright I have gotten many different opinions on games... some even saying that its only Haraam if you play it to much sooooooo what? game content seriously has no bearing on whether something is Haraam? what about this game I have?
their is none in this vid (I think) but the game uses allot of fowl language as well... so by allot of peoples reasoning playing such a game is only Haraam if I play it to much? nothing else?
Islam is the TRUTH!!
"The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank."- Dante Gabriel Rossetti
their is none in this vid (I think) but the game uses allot of fowl language as well... so by allot of peoples reasoning playing such a game is only Haraam if I play it to much? nothing else?
Can you not mute it? Or do you have to listen to the language?
The video reminded me to the Texas Chainsaw massacre. Horrible, horrible movie. Brr.
Really? even if the game has swears and people are blown into bits with blood and crap all over the place?
I just wanted to quickly link this in with a question that INsearch asked in a seperate thread about the perceived evils of music.
It is probable that we should view computer games with FAR more caution than music. Their influence is huge. On children and adults.
Animated they may be, but there is evidence to suggest that computer games like this significantly increase agressive thoughts and feelings. Considering the highly realistic scenes these games present, it must surely be worrying (more so than listening to a bit of Stevie Wonder or the Beatles!) that children and adults alike can put themselves into the position of actually killing another life-like character.
How absolutley awful is that!?!
I don't understand why no-body really seems to be condeming computer games like this?
Last edited by Karina; 10-26-2008 at 01:16 PM.
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I just wanted to quickly link this in with a question that INsearch asked in a seperate thread about the perceived evils of music.
It is probable that we should view computer games with FAR more caution than music. Their influence is huge. On children and adults.
Animated they may be, but there is evidence to suggest that computer games like this significantly increase agressive thoughts and feelings. Considering the highly realistic scenes these games present, it must surely be worrying (more so than listening to a bit of Stevie Wonder or the Beatles!) that children and adults alike can put themselves into the position of actually killing another life-like character.
How absolutley awful is that!?!
I don't understand why no-body really seems to be condeming computer games like this?
I definatly played more games than I should have - and I am very unaggressive imho, as are others who I know who play games a lot. I don't think games are that influential to your behaviour - infact those who do usually pass their time mostly with games seem to be mannered people - as compared to those who are always out hanging out with people - in which I have seen them develop bad manners and habits through. Not saying everyone should start playing games but, I think you are overexaggerating effects of games (or maybe, it is from a few games) - but realistically - I think it is the society which influences those areas of human development in my honest opinion - rather than games. Infact, I feel games, T.V, movies etc are given way too much credit - when the real problems usually are just due to social norms in specific areas.
To give an example, would be some documentary I would watch - showing some children from some rough areas in Scotland, playing games - as if it was probably influencing how they are living their lives. Far from the truth it is however imo, the reason why theirs children with guns and violence being rampant is not due to the games - but due to the gang culture that has existed in those areas for so many years. Why people try to distort the root cause, bewilders me.
I can see it in my own life experiences. I think, being brought up, I have seen it all, but I have never ever got into any of that stuff that others have who may have seen the same things. Like, take those who start leading lives which you can say, fullfill that of the bollywood life style or gang style - I don't think it is because of the films they watched or the songs they listened, but rather the whole culture in the areas they lived in - they were influenced throughout school and so fourth - They had not watched any more or listened to any more than I have. Maybe, myself, being in a society where I could not really relate to others, due to different race and religion - It was harder for them to influence me.
To conclude, playing a range of games or movies - has had no effect on me, nor has watching any films. I am determined it is all down to your upgringing, as to how you play things out, not media outlets.
I definatly played more games than I should have - and I am very unaggressive imho, as are others who I know who play games a lot. I don't think games are that influential to your behaviour - infact those who do usually pass their time mostly with games seem to be mannered people - as compared to those who are always out hanging out with people - in which I have seen them develop bad manners and habits through. Not saying everyone should start playing games but, I think you are overexaggerating effects of games (or maybe, it is from a few games) - but realistically - I think it is the society which influences those areas of human development in my honest opinion - rather than games. Infact, I feel games, T.V, movies etc are given way too much credit - when the real problems usually are just due to social norms in specific areas.
To give an example, would be some documentary I would watch - showing some children from some rough areas in Scotland, playing games - as if it was probably influencing how they are living their lives. Far from the truth it is however imo, the reason why theirs children with guns and violence being rampant is not due to the games - but due to the gang culture that has existed in those areas for so many years. Why people try to distort the root cause, bewilders me.
I can see it in my own life experiences. I think, being brought up, I have seen it all, but I have never ever got into any of that stuff that others have who may have seen the same things. Like, take those who start leading lives which you can say, fullfill that of the bollywood life style or gang style - I don't think it is because of the films they watched or the songs they listened, but rather the whole culture in the areas they lived in - they were influenced throughout school and so fourth - They had not watched any more or listened to any more than I have. Maybe, myself, being in a society where I could not really relate to others, due to different race and religion - It was harder for them to influence me.
To conclude, playing a range of games or movies - has had no effect on me, nor has watching any films. I am determined it is all down to your upgringing, as to how you play things out, not media outlets.
Ok, but that's your personal experiences and your personal opinion, which is cool.
I'm not saying that computer games are to be blamed for all of the wrongs in society, that would be ridiculous, what I am questioning is why music is shown in such a bad light, but bizarrely computer games (from the reactions so far) seem to be ok!?
Surely if music is "bad", computer games with simulated violence and killing should be altogether intolerable?!
In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Ok, but that's your personal experiences and your personal opinion, which is cool.
I'm not saying that computer games are to be blamed for all of the wrongs in society, that would be ridiculous, what I am questioning is why music is shown in such a bad light, but bizarrely computer games (from the reactions so far) seem to be ok!?
Surely if music is "bad", computer games with simulated violence and killing should be altogether intolerable?!
Music, has been explicitly forbidden in Islam, by the Prophet Muhammad (saw), is why, hence it gets much more spotlight then say movies or games. Not saying, Islam promotes games or movies, but, thats another topic.
I definatly played more games than I should have - and I am very unaggressive imho, as are others who I know who play games a lot. I don't think games are that influential to your behaviour - infact those who do usually pass their time mostly with games seem to be mannered people - as compared to those who are always out hanging out with people - in which I have seen them develop bad manners and habits through. Not saying everyone should start playing games but, I think you are overexaggerating effects of games (or maybe, it is from a few games) - but realistically - I think it is the society which influences those areas of human development in my honest opinion - rather than games. Infact, I feel games, T.V, movies etc are given way too much credit - when the real problems usually are just due to social norms in specific areas.
To give an example, would be some documentary I would watch - showing some children from some rough areas in Scotland, playing games - as if it was probably influencing how they are living their lives. Far from the truth it is however imo, the reason why theirs children with guns and violence being rampant is not due to the games - but due to the gang culture that has existed in those areas for so many years. Why people try to distort the root cause, bewilders me.
I can see it in my own life experiences. I think, being brought up, I have seen it all, but I have never ever got into any of that stuff that others have who may have seen the same things. Like, take those who start leading lives which you can say, fullfill that of the bollywood life style or gang style - I don't think it is because of the films they watched or the songs they listened, but rather the whole culture in the areas they lived in - they were influenced throughout school and so fourth - They had not watched any more or listened to any more than I have. Maybe, myself, being in a society where I could not really relate to others, due to different race and religion - It was harder for them to influence me.
To conclude, playing a range of games or movies - has had no effect on me, nor has watching any films. I am determined it is all down to your upgringing, as to how you play things out, not media outlets.
Music, has been explicitly forbidden in Islam, by the Prophet Muhammad (saw), is why, hence it gets much more spotlight then say movies or games. Not saying, Islam promotes games or movies, but, thats another topic.
But if games or moves had been around in the time of Muhammad surely he would have had a few bad words to say about them, at the very least?
I mean, you are actually simulating the entire process, from start to finish, of taking another persons life in many of these games. Much of the time, this is simulated cold-blooded murder.
How is this remotely permissable?
In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.
Friedrich Nietzsche
But if games or moves had been around in the time of Muhammad surely he would have had a few bad words to say about them, at the very least?
I mean, you are actually simulating the entire process, from start to finish, of taking another persons life in many of these games. Much of the time, this is simulated cold-blooded murder.
How is this remotely permissable?
Thats speculative. Anyway, scholars have not deemed games as haram - I mean it would be haram if you compromise Islam due to it, but thats general, that is, anything you do that compromises your Islam is haram - even if it is a certain job which stops you from doing your prayers.
Yes, I have played shooting games and so fourth - I guess it must be just the type of person really - because, I did not even get slightly affected - as to me - it is just obviously a "game", I don't see it as anything more.
I think, thats like portraying, that as I play war games - I may suddenly have urges to do mass genocide on nations or the such.
I think, theirs a great saying:
"If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. "
In the end, I havn't seen any evidence of, someone commiting anything, having been greatly influenced by a game - and not by real life social circumstances. I see it that, people who are involved in both, that is in a society say which is filled with gun and gang culture, who subsequently play games too, have both labelled as key players, which I don't think is fair.
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