Last night I watched a news clip showing hundreds of Afghans in Patra Greece climbing over barbed wire to try and get at lorries travelling to Britain. For years there has been permanent camps in Northern France to house thousands of foreigners all trying to get (illegally) into the UK.
France and Germany are as prosperous if not more prosperous than the UK. Most other EU countries have a superior climate than the UK. None of the other EU countries have sent as many troops to Muslim lands or killed as many Muslims as the UK. Muslims in the UK are bombing UK citizens because they have troops in Muslim countries. So, why are these Afghans killing themselves to get to the UK?
Is it because we don’t have ID cards and so easier to get a job etc.? Is it because we have a more generous benefits system? Or, is it because, in words of our alternative national anthem, it is the ‘Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free?’
Welll Ill give u a rep just so u can get back your rep LOL! Just because a bunch of people use that word to imply negativity doesnt mean it is. They(those who began it) obviously don't know what it means....if they had any idea wat it meant they'd realize they aint dissing anyone but rather complimenting lol. Well thats what i think.
I did that! I usually give him positive reps, despite his repeated denials concerng 2nd coming of Hz. Isa A.S. (which is contrary to what my Hanfi teacher told me)
despite his repeated denials concerng 2nd coming of Hz. Isa A.S. (which is contrary to what my Hanfi teacher told me)
Dear Doorster
The denial is something and the questioning of something (for some reasons)is another...
I'm not the first sunni person who questioned such concept I have quoted lots of sunni scholars(among them the 3 most famous grand Imams of Alazhar in the twentieth century) who questioned it.....
you follow hanafi Mazhab, and I follow no mazhab,I'm just a sunni Muslim who studied all mazhabs(Alhamdullilah) and respect all of them (though respect more mazhab Imam Al-Shafi'i,) but follow strictly none.....
If there is a school I may follow ,it would be the one that disagree with the concept that Muslims could only simply rely on the interpretations of texts provided by medieval clerics, as for them though such interpretations to be respected but not to be treated as sacred,or to be called(old is all the way Gold).
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Want to see how profound I reflected the issue of second coming and Mahdi (possibly I got the flawed approach),just open your PM ...and let's discuss it there away from the school (interpretations of texts provided by medieval clerics has to be all the way sacred),and away from being off topic ...:sunny:
If someone tells me he is satisfied with all my ideas but one....
I take that as compliment....
so thanx doorster for your compliment..
and who knows ..may be when you get my research in that point,change your mind? and we stay in accord 100%:sunny:
The denial is something and the questioning of something (for some reasons)is another...
I'mnot the first sunni person who questioned such concept I have quoted lots of sunni scholars(among them the 3 most famous grand Imams of Alazhar in the twentieth century) who questioned it.....
you follow hanafi Mazhab, and I follow no mazhab,I'm just a sunni Muslim who studied all mazhabs(Alhamdullilah) and respect all of them (though respect more mazhab Shafie) but follow strictly none.....
If there is a school I may follow ,it would be the one that disagree with the concept that Muslims could only simply rely on the interpretations of texts provided by medieval clerics, as for them though such interpretations to be respected but not to be treated as sacred,or to be called(old is Gold).
.....
Want to see how profound I reflected the issue of second coming and Mahdi (possibly I got the flawed approach),just open your PM ...and let's discuss it there away from the school (interpretations of texts provided by medieval clerics has to be all the way sacred),and away from being off topic ...:sunny:
Dear Imam, Salam Alaikum
I can not really reply to you in posts because if you remember, last time when I replied to you on this subject, and when I thought that we were nearing the conclusion, a mod namely abd l latif came and deleted everything destroying a weeks worth of work in seconds?
only way I will take part in detail is if another mod comes to this thread and gives assurances that no abuse of mod powers will take place (i.e abdul latif and abdul rahman will be kept away from this thread).
I can not really reply to you post because if you remember, last time when I replied to you on this subject, and when I thought that we were nearing the conclusion, a mod namely abd l latif came and deleted everything destroying a weeks worth of work in seconds?
only way I will take part in detail is if another mod comes to this thread and gives assurances that no abuse of mod powers will take place (i.e abdul latif and abdul rahman will be kept away from this thread).
We stayed offtopic.... so it was a normal procedure......
I don't think the moderators biased ,and have no criticism against any till now...
I invite you again to discuss in PM ...
BTW.
Bro abdul latif is one of the best who moderated comparative religion section ever .
I see two members are entering into a heated debate. It is a very interesting topic and could be a very interesting debate.
Suggestion: Perhaps you can try to conduct the debate by PM, each of you adding me to to get the PMs. After about 2 PMs from each I will try to see if I can find an appropriate place for it as an open forum debate. Perhaps with some input to keep it from becoming sectarian or a fiqh discussion.
The UK has 400 border control staff at the port in Calais, France, in 2007 they stopped 12,000 illegal immigrants trying to get from France to England hidden in lorries. That’s just on port of entry, that’s just one year and they have no idea how many they didn’t find but estimate that there’s over 1 million
Ministers have been alarmed by figures showing the number of migrants caught trying to reach Britain by stowing away on lorries at Calais has doubled over the last year (2008) to more than 2,000 a month.
The count of 6,031 in the first three months of this year compares with 2,919 caught by port security services trying to gain access to trucks queueing for ferries between January and March 2008.
Madame Natacha Bouchart, the mayor of Calais, has announced that her city can no longer cope with the hordes of Africans, Eastern Europeans and Asians who end up in and around her town, and has said that the core of the problem is the “cash that Britain showers on the hordes of illegals.
There are some 2,000 would be invaders sleeping rough in the Pas de Calais area. Referring to their living area, called the “jungle,” Mrs Bouchart said: “It’s not a camp; it’s a village. The municipal workers cannot clean it up; they’re not up to it. It needs an intervention by the army. There are more than 80 shelters, a mosque and shops.
Because the UK is soft. Once you come to the UK you are given free education, health care, immediate employment, benefits, a free house all on the tax payers expense.
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