Could you tell me why the Palestinians have to recognize the zionist state's right...

we don't accept them, and generally won't until that big war sis..
I suppose that is what the problem is.. they are hoping this would just go away and the palis dissolve into neighboring states.. but that is not how it will go down..

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

Because they should take a more pragmatic approach.
If they want suffering, blockades etc, so be it.

:rolleyes:

''give me all your allowance or im gonna kick your .....''

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

No, it's more like don't throw bombs and we won't throw ours.

lol sure thats what the bully generally does say when the victim defends itself with a few stones. they bring in the big guys to 'show him his place'

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

Yes, but as I said the reality is that Israel is there and won't disappear for a long time, so why fight an endless war when you can have peace at least until Isa returns to Earth and smashes the zionists.
And siarel won its share of wars so imho it should be allowed to stay where it is. And it is a democracy, a liberal one.

so if it wasnt liberal then thered be a problem?

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

There is a problem already, practically guiltless people were expelled by foreigners, but srael has grown into a succesful, liberal, strong and an alltogether lovely state so I want it to stay there.

Ah so the means justify the ends huh? I'll kick you child out of school and have mine take their place so he can grow into a lovely educated person.

Oh and drop the bomb argument WTP.

You and I well know the statistics behind the attacks. Around 60-80 people have been killed by Palestinian rockets throughout Israels entire history.

Israeli tanks, jets, and military has killed thousands of times more.

What's interesting is that you've revealed your true reason for support of Israel. Your opposition isn't moral, you just like the state.

Guess what? Your neighbors are eyeing your house right now. After they've kicked you out, I hear they're gonna turn it into a lovely residence with fancy furniture and a green lawn.

May Allah guide you.....

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

There is a problem already, practically guiltless people were expelled by foreigners, but srael has grown into a succesful, liberal, strong and an alltogether lovely state so I want it to stay there.

oh so because its a lovely state its a case of 'too bad' for thsoe practically guiltless people?

salaam

The irony is that Isreal has never accepted the Palestianian state - such as bulidng illiegal settlements on land that was meant to make palestine is definitly stupid and is clearly hindering the peace process. Its also odd that america kept Vetoing for Isreal. Pity realy.

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

I am against the settlements, not only do I think all construction should be cease, i believe tehy should be dismantled the same way they were dismantled in Gaza. Oaba isn't really offering a lot to Muslims.

I agree maybe he should have listened to the international commuinty more - if amerixca did that - there actually would have been peace in the region.

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

Both parties need to make sacrifices.

maybe - but dont you think the palestinains have made enough - they only need 3 regions

1 - Gaza
2 - west bank
3 - east Jerusalem as the capital

The thing is that the palestinians have to do is stop blowing themselves and firing the rockets which do nothing what so ever - they actually give Isreal the reasons to invade.

format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint

East Jerusalem is the greatest problem-
Exactly, I've beens aying that for years. Israelis are unwilling to give up west bank ebcause they are afraid to have another Gaza, with Hamas government and rockets and all.

I agree - the right wing governmnet doesnt help. we'll just have to see what happens.