Where I live, there's loads of houses with gardens, their trees and flowers overflow over the fence and into the street. Whenever I see jasmines I can't help but pick one. It's not like I go into their gardens and take one, they're right between the house and street. Is this haram? I've always wondered, because technically, they don't belong to me, right? Or is it looked at some other way in Islam?
otherwise, not really, unless they object, or it makes their garden look bad, or something like that. if you really feel bad just ask the 'ammo who lives there. just tell him you're Rapunzil or something,,
Where I live, there's loads of houses with gardens, their trees and flowers overflow over the fence and into the street. Whenever I see jasmines I can't help but pick one. It's not like I go into their gardens and take one, they're right between the house and street. Is this haram? I've always wondered, because technically, they don't belong to me, right? Or is it looked at some other way in Islam?
Input is appreciated, jazakum Allah khair.
This happened to me, too before. I picked up a rose off someone's driveway and I was told that it's better to put it back, even though I picked it off the ground (it would've prolly got run over by a car), since it belonged to someone else.
I think if the flower/fruit etc overhangs the bounderies of the property then you can pick it, otherwise it's stealing. I can't actually remember, I might be wishing it were like that. But I will check for you as this question is covered in a Islamic Jurisprudence book I have.
I have Jasmine that overflows my wall into the street and like most people I am quite happy to share the exquisite smell and am quite happy for passers by to pick some. Seems to be an unwritten rule with gardeners - share whatever is outside your fence, but what is inside is strictly off limits. After all, that is why humans grow flowers - to share their beauty and their fragrance.
I'd just like to point out I'm simply stating an opinion and posing a question (for I have limited knowledge on the matter). So of the record, no I don't know if that act you stated is haraam, sorry sister.
Ok but...
Why pick the flowers in the first place? Judging by your post, you have no valid reason/s for picking them. If you truly admire their beauty, killing them sure is a funny way of showing it. It seems wasteful to me.
back in afghanistan, once when i went visit, me and a relative took some fruits from someone else's place..lol. we climbed this kind of poll that was near the wall, and took maybe one or two. but i think other times, in this place behind my relatives house, there was trees with fruits on them that didnt belong to anybody. we took a bunch of grapes from them..lol. we were quite small though, but not that small. ah miss there so much.
Where I live, there's loads of houses with gardens, their trees and flowers overflow over the fence and into the street. Whenever I see jasmines I can't help but pick one. It's not like I go into their gardens and take one, they're right between the house and street. Is this haram? I've always wondered, because technically, they don't belong to me, right? Or is it looked at some other way in Islam?
Input is appreciated, jazakum Allah khair.
Technically it is theft (but I am sure under the circumstances you describe it would not be pursued) –
Stealing land or things forming part of land . . . . it is theft if taken by a person
when he is not in possession of the land and appropriates anything forming part of the land by severing it or causing it to be severed, or after it has been severed
Please bear with me. I have looked but I can't remember which catagory the ruling came under. I def remeber reading something about it though. Until I find something, it is best to leave something if there is doubt about it. And Allah knows best.
I have Jasmine that overflows my wall into the street and like most people I am quite happy to share the exquisite smell and am quite happy for passers by to pick some. Seems to be an unwritten rule with gardeners - share whatever is outside your fence, but what is inside is strictly off limits. After all, that is why humans grow flowers - to share their beauty and their fragrance.
Yup, that's pretty much how I see it as well, I don't think most people would mind if I took an occasional jasmine from their hundreds of jasmines.
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Why pick the flowers in the first place? Judging by your post, you have no valid reason/s for picking them. If you truly admire their beauty, killing them sure is a funny way of showing it. It seems wasteful to me.
Wa alaikum asalam
I guess I want to take one with me wherever I go, to have their beauty with me always?
I guess your way is one way of looking at it, but at the same time, why does one pick a flower from their garden and put it in a vase in the house? To make wherever they are put a little more beautiful.
But you make an interesting point, I never thought of it like that. Jazak Allah khair for mentioning it.
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Technically it is theft (but I am sure under the circumstances you describe it would not be pursued) –
Stealing land or things forming part of land . . . . it is theft if taken by a person
when he is not in possession of the land and appropriates anything forming part of the land by severing it or causing it to be severed, or after it has been severed
I'm guessing that's the legal term for theft? Then I guess it may be considered that, yes. I was wondering about the Islamic perspective, though.
I have similar situation every year but by apples and neigbour; they have two apple trees and partly they branches are growing to my side of garden. So long than those apples are on tree, I don´t touch them (not even usually) but when they fall on my side, I pick them up and eat them.
If I don´t, sooner or later they will rot in my garden and I have to collect them and throw away. Or maybe better to put them back to other side (even they are already rotten?).
Very tastefull apples, by the way.
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interesting thread.. when I was a kid in the old country we had this rare flower, my uncle told me its name but I forgot it, anyhow it was so fragrant and had an interesting character in that every flower had tons of little minute flowers in it.. I used to stuff em up my nose I can't tell you how many times my parents took me to the docs for foreign body aspiration amongst other things, but I learned that it can just as easily come out of your mouth if you inhale it fast enough... lololol
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I guess I want to take one with me wherever I go, to have their beauty with me always?
I guess your way is one way of looking at it, but at the same time, why does one pick a flower from their garden and put it in a vase in the house? To make wherever they are put a little more beautiful.
But you make an interesting point, I never thought of it like that. Jazak Allah khair for mentioning it.
I see and understand what you mean. It's just one of those petty things that peeves the heck out of me I guess.
Usually, I only pick flowers at the local organic farm and that's so I can eat them. Mmm, (some) flowers are incredibly tasty!
Perhaps you should look into gardening- I think it would be a well suited hobby. I would too, if I wasn't so lazy.
Sister harb- Ahh I can imagine, that would be so cool mashaAllah.. but you're right, they would rot in your yard anyway. I guess one way to do it is to ask them if what you're doing is okay? Since it's only that one neighbor.
Goss- SubhanAllah! That flower sounds so beautiful! What color was it?
And lol @ stuffing them up your nose.. Exploring your environment is fine and all that, but not everything has to go up your nose to be discovered. :P
eHafiz- Ah. I see. Yeah, that's not cool. Unless she previously had permission from them, which maybe she did?
Detri- I agree, flowers can be delicious! Where I'm from, a common breakfast food is rose petal jam (just had some hehe)- it's absolutely exquisite. You'd never think you were eating a flower, it's a weird concept, but interesting. I was googling it just now, and found this written about it on a blog
"Of all the foods I’ve discovered in my travels, rose petal jam is probably the one that has captivated me the most. There is something magical about eating a mouthful of flowers, and the taste is sweet and thick with a slightly-squeaky texture of petals and a fragrance unmatched by any perfume." http://desertcandy.blogspot.com/2007...-of-roses.html
As for gardening- definitely inshaAllah! The house we just moved into has a huge garden. Most of it is filled with grass, but there's a big enough place to plot things. I'm thinking simple veggies (spring onions, mint, tomatoes, etc.), and loads and loads of flowers. I'm so excited!
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back in afghanistan, once when i went visit, me and a relative took some fruits from someone else's place..lol. we climbed this kind of poll that was near the wall, and took maybe one or two
. but i think other times, in this place behind my relatives house, there was trees with fruits on them that didnt belong to anybody. we took a bunch of grapes from them..lol. we were quite small though, but not that small. ah miss there so much.
I can't tell you how many times my parents took me to the docs for foreign body aspiration amongst other things, but I learned that it can just as easily come out of your mouth if you inhale it fast enough... lololol
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