Is your country of residence worth fighting for?

**Blackpool** · 08-16-2009

When asking this question I'm looking specifically for the responses from those living in the UK,U.S, Australia etc. If an illegal invader decided to blitz your country, an invasion (Iraqi-style) took place by, say, the U.S, Russia, China would you attempt to fight for it if called upon?

**aadil77** · 08-18-2009

I heard at a khutbah that it is even jihad to fight to defend your homes as long as its not against muslims

**Ummu Sufyaan** · 08-18-2009

^even if they are the ones invading your land?

**ardianto** · 08-18-2009

Originally Posted by north_malaysian

not yet... ours is on the 31st of August..

You don't need to forget when Indonesian govt sent troops to border area and made confrontation against Malaysian independence.

But we must leave the past as history and keep in peace forever.

**north_malaysian** · 08-19-2009

Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed

^even if they are the ones invading your land?

good question...

**north_malaysian** · 08-19-2009

Originally Posted by ardianto

You don't need to forget when Indonesian govt sent troops to border area and made confrontation against Malaysian independence.

But we must leave the past as history and keep in peace forever.

Many Malaysians dont care and many dont know about the Indonesia-Malaysia Confrontation...

**abu_musab461** · 08-19-2009

Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed

^even if they are the ones invading your land?

you can defend your self against muslim oppressors but do not transgress agaisnt them.

**syilla** · 08-19-2009

Originally Posted by north_malaysian

is it true that Tok Janggut was a religious teacher?

i don't know...

but most of the pahlawans were pious, aren't they?

**Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн** · 08-20-2009

Not worth it in my book...my home country sure...where I am no...but who knows i might need to.

**S_87** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by Blackpool

When asking this question I'm looking specifically for the responses from those living in the UK,U.S, Australia etc. If an illegal invader decided to blitz your country, an invasion (Iraqi-style) took place by, say, the U.S, Russia, China would you attempt to fight for it if called upon?

you mean like if the US for example attacked the UK? well i hope the UK can whip them. as for fight? no i wouldnt. id be useless TBH

**Clover** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by amani

you mean like if the US for example attacked the UK? well i hope the UK can whip them. as for fight? no i wouldnt. id be useless TBH

The UK beat the US? I hope that is a joke. The SAS are good, but they can't cover for all of the UK lol. Of course, the US and UK ever fighting is a very un-likely thing. They have too much in common, and both are not wanting to fight the other, simply due to ancestral reasons.

No, no one is useless in war. If you work in the factory, your helping supply a product that is going to be either used, or sold for money to help the war effort.

**S_87** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by Clover

The UK beat the US? I hope that is a joke. The SAS are good, but they can't cover for all of the UK lol. Of course, the US and UK ever fighting is a very un-likely thing. They have too much in common, and both are not wanting to fight the other, simply due to ancestral reasons.

No, no one is useless in war. If you work in the factory, your helping supply a product that is going to be either used, or sold for money to help the war effort.

hey britain is great so dont diss :P yeh i know that it seems highly unlikely that was just if as a big if.
and useless meaning the question was, would you fight for your country.

I must say if britain was at war with an islamic country then that would be another matter

but that is unlikely too at this moment in time

**Tony** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by Clover

The UK beat the US? I hope that is a joke. The SAS are good, but they can't cover for all of the UK lol. Of course, the US and UK ever fighting is a very un-likely thing. They have too much in common, and both are not wanting to fight the other, simply due to ancestral reasons.

No, no one is useless in war. If you work in the factory, your helping supply a product that is going to be either used, or sold for money to help the war effort.

Bro Clover its the only thing Brits good at, fighting, we fight anyone anywhere !! We fight each other just for fun, its our biggest problem We would definatley kick usa's ass on a street level, its what we do

**Blackpool** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by amani

hey britain is great so dont diss :P yeh i know that it seems highly unlikely that was just if as a big if.
and useless meaning the question was, would you fight for your country.

I must say if britain was at war with an islamic country then that would be another matter

but that is unlikely too at this moment in time

So do you agree that the war in Afghanistan is against the taliban and not Islam?

I agree, Britain is great

The question was a case of "what if" and not "when." Of course Britain alone doesn't have the capability to take the U.S alone due to the huge difference in size but it has, along with the best trained troops in the world, its commonwealth. Who the bloody hell would like to come face-to-face with a Ghurka in battle?

Britain also has its European states.

Again, it was a question of "if."

**Clover** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by amani

hey britain is great so dont diss :P yeh i know that it seems highly unlikely that was just if as a big if.
and useless meaning the question was, would you fight for your country.

I must say if britain was at war with an islamic country then that would be another matter

but that is unlikely too at this moment in time

I am not dissing, I am being logical. The US has a bigger Army, by far, and has more SF soldiers, by far. The Green Berets, Navy Seals, AF SF, Airborne Rangers, and even some of the Marine Units. Then you have the huge amounts of troops.

I don't know, depends on what happens in the future

Originally Posted by Tony

Bro Clover its the only thing Brits good at, fighting, we fight anyone anywhere !! We fight each other just for fun, its our biggest problem We would definatley kick usa's ass on a street level, its what we do

...please. Shut up. I am a boxer, and I am a street fighter, and thats the norm here. This is a redneck town, their not even known for fighting, but they do. If you honestly think you could take a American, then come over, I can't pay for your ticket sadly. I am a poor American. The Majority.

**GuestFellow** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by Clover

I am not dissing, I am being logical. The US has a bigger Army, by far, and has more SF soldiers, by far. The Green Berets, Navy Seals, AF SF, Airborne Rangers, and even some of the Marine Units. Then you have the huge amounts of troops.

I don't know, depends on what happens in the future

I don't think America will remain the strongest nation. They are currently in debt. :/

USA is deteriorating...

**Tony** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by Clover

I am not dissing, I am being logical. The US has a bigger Army, by far, and has more SF soldiers, by far. The Green Berets, Navy Seals, AF SF, Airborne Rangers, and even some of the Marine Units. Then you have the huge amounts of troops.

I don't know, depends on what happens in the future

...please. Shut up. I am a boxer, and I am a street fighter, and thats the norm here. This is a redneck town, their not even known for fighting, but they do. If you honestly think you could take a American, then come over, I can't pay for your ticket sadly. I am a poor American. The Majority.

psyche Clover come on guy, you just talk about fighting constantly on an Islamic forum, nobody cares if your hard or the wet paper bag ur coming across as, who cares whos better at hitting and causing pain to others

**aadil77** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by Clover

...please. Shut up. I am a boxer, and I am a street fighter, and thats the norm here. This is a redneck town, their not even known for fighting, but they do. If you honestly think you could take a American, then come over, I can't pay for your ticket sadly. I am a poor American. The Majority.

arite macho man that's enough now, you've already shown us what a big man you are, how much you can weight lift, what kind of training you do, how much you love fighting and wannabe an army boy seriously wth is the point? this is an islamic forum do you think you're gonna get any attention by comin here and acting the internet warrior?

do you think you've got some upperhand on us cos we're muslims and you're part of the great US of A?

just give it up you're not gonna achieve anythin, we know you're young thats probably why you don't realise how immature it is to come here boastin about irrelevent stuff

**Tony** · 08-20-2009

Clover your a good guy, ok rough at edges but a good guy, we respect you and to a point the fight talk was ok,but lets drop it now my friend, it will only cause bad feelings if it persists, and yes I am to blame aswell. But lets draw the line and talk about peace instead.

**Blackpool** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by Clover

...please. Shut up. I am a boxer, and I am a street fighter, and thats the norm here. This is a redneck town, their not even known for fighting, but they do. If you honestly think you could take a American, then come over, I can't pay for your ticket sadly. I am a poor American. The Majority.

Pffft... sit down! I am Fedor Emelianenko's brother

The best heavyweight fighter in the world...

**S_87** · 08-20-2009

Originally Posted by Blackpool

So do you agree that the war in Afghanistan is against the taliban and not Islam?

I agree, Britain is great

The question was a case of "what if" and not "when." Of course Britain alone doesn't have the capability to take the U.S alone due to the huge difference in size but it has, along with the best trained troops in the world, its commonwealth. Who the bloody hell would like to come face-to-face with a Ghurka in battle?

Britain also has its European states.

Again, it was a question of "if."

I think afghanistan is a war with islam.

and as for your argument on best trained troops etc, most of the world is at war with afghanistan and its a lost war..the taliban are winning and the best equipment and troops cant find one man

so.... military strength isnt always everything.