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    Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

    This is a waste of thread but I need an answer.

    My mother keeps insisting that I get a citizenship of U.S.A.

    For some benefitial dunya reason.

    They ask thinks like "Would you go to military if there was a draft?"

    If you answer no,you failed.

    I don't want to kill my own brothers and sisters. There probably won't be a draft but there could be a possibility.


    I don't even want to be here

    I just want a yes or a no answer...

    Thanks a lot.

    Also, I asked this question to a scholar and I haven't gotten a responce yet. My school starts Monday. My fajer time is on a bus stop. Is it permissable to pray on a side walk.Because I don't think its clean,people walk dogs ...
    I'm also scared If my family finds out.
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    Re: Citizenship?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Rasema View Post
    Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

    This is a waste of thread but I need an answer.

    My mother keeps insisting that I get a citizenship of U.S.A.

    For some benefitial dunya reason.

    They ask thinks like "Would you go to military if there was a draft?"

    If you answer no,you failed.

    I don't want to kill my own brothers and sisters. There probably won't be a draft but there could be a possibility.


    I don't even want to be here

    I just want a yes or a no answer...

    Thanks a lot.

    Also, I asked this question to a scholar and I haven't gotten a responce yet. My school starts Monday. My fajer time is on a bus stop. Is it permissable to pray on a side walk.Because I don't think its clean,people walk dogs ...
    I'm also scared If my family finds out.
    If you are a minor under the age of 18 or a senior citisen over the age of 65 I doubt there would be any advantage or disadvantage to getting citizenship.

    About the draft question. Unless the law has changed, it is illegal to draft females, so that is a moot point.

    My answer is NO their is no reason to get citizenship, based upon the information in your post. However, not getting it could limit job opportunities and education benefits and hold the possibility of deportation to your homeland.

    About Fajr

    In my opinion for the reasons you mentioned it would be haraam to pray on those side walks. If there is a bench near sit on the bench and go through the motions in your mind while sitting, if there is no bench offer your prayers standing again going through the motions in your mind..


    Just my opinion Astagfirullah
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    I'm so confused about fajer?

    There is no benches.

    I don't think it's valid to just imagine it in your mind though.

    I could imagine it while I'm in the bus.
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    sister,

    If you ask me, the answer would be definitely no. It is not benefit nothing. If you get citizenship, I completed my education degree in US but refused to accept citizenship because I know we as Muslim will feel not secure under US government. Maybe you will consider Canada........

    What do you mean, your family find out? You mean, you are revert?

    Regarding your fajr times, I don't want you to put in danger outside in the morning in public, I don't know how people will reaction to this. Just try best to figure out other way (maybe park or tree near bus stop), Allah doesn't want to put you in difficult places but know your prayer in heart.

    Hope this help.....
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    I wish I had a firm answer.

    The grass in Florida is weird and there might be animals over it.

    What's wrong with the side walk?

    People, who cares.

    I also have to pray Duhur in school, which is not that big of a problem.

    I'm just afraid If my family finds out(Muslim) they're not religious at all!
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    Here's example,

    One of the best youtube I have ever seen is you see a British Muslim revert with a Muslim lady prayed in the mall public near stairs (Very impressive!, Masha'Allah). May Allah reward them for their truly devotion, Ameen!

    See here
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Rasema View Post
    I'm so confused about fajer?

    There is no benches.

    I don't think it's valid to just imagine it in your mind though.

    I could imagine it while I'm in the bus.
    Your prayer is valid if for any reason you can not do the physical aspects and have to do it mentally. But you do have to do as much of the physical aspects as you are capable of.

    I belieive the seat on the bus would be fine, as long as it is at the proper time.

    Just my opinion Astagfirullah. I base that on myself as my legs and arms are partially paralyized and I have limited range of motion and can not kneel or lift my arms very high. Although I am limited by physical impairments I believe the cause of the limitations (surroundings in your case) are not important as long as they are not by your choice.
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    I do appreciate taking that risk to reply but I still don't think it's valid. Yes, It would be on the proper time.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Humbler_359 View Post
    Here's example,

    One of the best youtube I have ever seen is you see a British Muslim revert with a Muslim lady prayed in the mall public near stairs (Very impressive!, Masha'Allah). May Allah reward them for their truly devotion, Ameen!

    See here
    Thanks, my family will definitly find out then. The bloody television even captured me getting on the bus once(according to my mother)
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Rasema View Post
    I do appreciate taking that risk to reply but I still don't think it's valid. Yes, It would be on the proper time.
    Sounds like on the bus is your only option.
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    Sorry,I want a scholar.

    I can't let fear of humans be grater than the fear of Allah.

    I need an answer by Monday!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Rasema View Post
    Sorry,I want a scholar.

    I can't let fear of humans be grater than the fear of Allah.

    I need an answer by Monday!
    Rasema,

    You are making excellent point, I agreed. You are very strong person. Don't be afraid of your family, if finding out, they should praise you for your efforts, Insha'Allah!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Rasema View Post
    Sorry,I want a scholar.

    I can't let fear of humans be grater than the fear of Allah.

    I need an answer by Monday!
    Sadly we do not have any scholars on staff or as members. I am the oldest person on the forum at 69 years old. But, many of the young members are more knowledgeable then I am.

    Perhaps you can call a local Masjid and ask for the telephone number of a local scholar. If you like I can PM you the email address of Sheik Yusuf Islam He is quite knowledgeable even if he is younger than me.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    Sadly we do not have any scholars on staff or as members. I am the oldest person on the forum at 69 years old. But, many of the young members are more knowledgeable then I am.

    Perhaps you can call a local Masjid and ask for the telephone number of a local scholar. If you like I can PM you the email address of Sheik Yusuf Islam He is quite knowledgeable even if he is younger than me.

    Greeting brother Woodrow,

    I didn't know, you are the oldest person on this forum, May Allah keep you in a very good health and joyful as well as your wife, Insha'Allah! Ameen.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post

    In my opinion for the reasons you mentioned it would be haraam to pray on those side walks. If there is a bench near sit on the bench and go through the motions in your mind while sitting, if there is no bench offer your prayers standing again going through the motions in your mind..


    Just my opinion Astagfirullah
    That's interesting, and not something I have heard before.

    If there is no opportunity to kneel and pray fully, is it permissible to do the prayer motions in your mind?
    I remember an Imam telling us once that ill people can do the prayer movements in bed, using their hand rather than the whole body, but I have never heard of doing it in one's mind.
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    Sr Rasema.. I have known two or three green card holders who have gone for their residency of late and I assure you, no such question was asked..
    they ask you questions on U.S history and whether you have loyalty to 'foreign prince' or are a communist .. someone needs to update the constitution since some of those q's are really dated.. but there is nothing about drafting or refusing to draft.. when you take your oath you'll be in a large room and no one will listen to what you are saying, put you hand across your chest and say La illah illah Allah .. over and over while smiling..

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    Well, sometimes I used to wake-up before fajr prayers and go to college. By the time I reached there it would be time to pray fajr and I would pray there.

    Insha'Allah you will find a way to pray on time.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    That's interesting, and not something I have heard before.

    If there is no opportunity to kneel and pray fully, is it permissible to do the prayer motions in your mind?
    I remember an Imam telling us once that ill people can do the prayer movements in bed, using their hand rather than the whole body, but I have never heard of doing it in one's mind.
    When I lived in Austin a dear friend of mine was a very respected Scholar. We discussed many of these issue at length. Because of my legs often I can not even sit for prayer and need to remain standing. He was the one who told me that if for any valid reason I can not do the physical motions my thoughts would be the same as if I was actually doing them physically.

    I find that all scholars I have spoken with or read agree with that for example:


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    Q) What is the ruling for a disabled person who offers prayers while remaining seated on the chair. Is it correct that such a person joining Namaz must in the beginning stand till Ruku of the 1st Rakaat & then perform all the actions while seated up to the end bowing wherever possible. Is it right for this person to lift the sajdagah & place it in the forehead while reciting the Dhikr of sujood or just bows more without sajdagah touching the forehead ? ( Sajdagah is on the small table infront of the Musalli all the time )
    A) Your question is general which requires a detailed reply as it would apply individually according to his incapacitated position.

    In short if he is unable to stand while praying, he should sit down, & if he is unable to sit, he should lie down. As long as a person is able to offer prayers standing, he should not sit down. For example, if the body of a person shakes, or moves when he stands, or he is obliged to lean on something, or to incline his body a bit, he should continue to offer prayers standing in whatever manner he can. But, if he cannot st& at all, he should sit upright, & offer prayers in that position. As long as he can sit, he should not offer prayers in a lying posture, & if he cannot sit straight, he should sit in any manner he can. & if he cannot sit at all, he should lie on his right side. If he also cannot lie on the left side then he should lie on his back with his feet facing Qibla.

    For example, as your question implies, a person is praying seated on a chair with a table in front of him on which is laid Mor (Sijdagah). As long as he is able to stand up he should do so & recite Takbiratul Ihram in a standing position & if he can continue standing up to recite the Qir’at he should continue to do so & perform Ruku & then sit down to perform Sajdah. If he cannot continue standing up he should sit down after reciting Takbiratul Ihram & perform Ruku in a sitting position. If he cannot stand up & recite Takbiratul Ihram then only he should recite Takbiratul Ihram in a sitting position. If he is offering prayers in a sitting position, & after reciting Hamd & Surah, he is able to stand up & perform Ruku, he should first stand up, & then perform Ruku. But if he cannot do so, he should perform Ruku while sitting.

    If a person cannot bow down for Ruku properly, he should lean on something & perform Ruku. & if he cannot perform Ruku even after he has leaned, he should bow down to the maximum extent he can, so that it could be customarily recognized as a Ruku. & if he cannot bend at all, he should make a sign for Ruku with his head.

    If a person is supposed to make a sign with his head for Ruku is unable to do so, he should close his eyes with the niyyat of Ruku, & then recite Zikr. & for rising from Ruku, he should open his eyes. & if he is unable to do even that, he should, as a precaution, make a niyyat of Ruku in his mind, & then make a sign of Ruku with his hands & recite Zikr.

    If a person cannot perform Ruku while standing, but can bend for it while sitting, he should offer prayers standing & should make a sign with his head for Ruku. & the recommended precaution is that he should offer another prayer in which he would sit down at the time of Ruku, & bow down for it.

    If a person cannot find something high on which he may place the mohr, or any other allowable thing, & if he cannot find any person who would raise the mohr etc. for him, then as precaution, he should raise it with his h& & do Sajdah on it.

    (As regards to raising the mohr with his h& & do Sajdah on it, Hujjatul Islam Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi has commented: The basis of your answer is correct; however, when I compared the statement in the Tawzihul Masa'il with what the Sayyid has written in Minhajus Salihiyn (which I consider to be more updated & comprehensive), it seems that the emphasis in the Minhaj is doing it by ishara rather than bring the muhr by h& to the forehead. In any case, the issue of bringing the muhr to the forehead is based on ihtiyat istihbabi, & not ihtiyat wujubi; and, therefore, I would go with the sajda by ishara as the first choice.)

    If a person cannot perform Sajdah at all, he should make a sign for it with his head, & if he cannot do even that, he should make a sign with his eyes. & if he cannot make a sign even with his eyes he should, on the basis of obligatory precaution, make a sign for Sajdah with his hands etc. & should make a niyyat for Sajdah in his mind, & recite the obligatory Zikr.
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    Just get a water proof type prayer mat and pray wherever seems cleanest
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    I'll bring a plastic large bag.I don't have a water proof rug. Good idea,thanks. That way I can pray on grass.

    Thanks all of you, you've been of a lot of help.

    I'll manage to find that question and PM you sister .

    By the way, I have another question. Aunty told me that you get in to the bathroom with your right foot and get out with your right foot.
    However, in elementary in Bosnia, I was told to enter with your leaft foot and get out with your right,who's correct?

    Thanks a lot. May Allah,spw, reward all of you.
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