Brothers and Sisters, I have been sad recently. Upon hearing the war for the 1st time(I know it has been going on for quite a while now but I didn't understand back then) on January, I've come across this guilt feeling. We all know that our brothers/sisters are being killed/tortured everyday by sense we should already be praying to them everyday. But shouldn't we be doing something better? Why not we go into Gaza and oppose those who wants to harm our brothers/sisters? Why not just end our life with "shaheed" for the sake of our brothers/sisters?
From now onwards, every time I switched a fan on I would be thinking "How do our brothers/sisters live in Gaza". Every time food is wasted in the canteen or on the table I would be thinking "Our own brothers/sisters died of starvation and they're wasting food?"...
Have you got any advice for me? I feel this pain and guilt everyday.
I think the only way is to build strong Ummah. Change ourselves, give naseehah...and show that Islam is the only way to make us stronger and be the 'best' man. Lets hope that in that strong ummah...a leader a khalifah will lead and help the oppressed muslims .
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
We can help them if Hosni Mobarak open the border.
the problem with the Muslim nations is that the people think differently from their leaders..... to all Egyptians, i am sorry to say this ..... "I hate Hosni Mubarak"
Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):
Muslims understanding the history of Gaza is very important in helping the Palestinian People.
Gaza History!
Gaza (Arabic: غزة ; also referred to as Gaza City) is a Palestinian city in the Gaza Strip, with a population of about 410,000, making it the largest city in the Palestinian Territories.
Gaza's history of habitation dates back 5,000 years, making it one of the oldest cities in the world. Located on the Mediterranean coastal route between North Africa and the Levant, for most of its history it served as a key entrepot of southern Palestine and an important stopover on the spice trade route traversing the Red Sea.
Inhabited since at least the 15th century BC, Gaza has been dominated by several different people and empires throughout its history. The Philistines made it a part of their pentapolis after the Ancient Egyptians had ruled it for nearly 350 years. Under the Romans and later the Byzantines, Gaza experienced relative peace and its port flourished. In 635 AD, it became the first city in Palestine to be conquered by the Rashidun army and quickly developed into a center of Islamic law. However, by the time the Crusaders (Christian Europe, Attempting to regain control over Holy Lands which Muslims controlled ) invaded the city, it was in ruins. In later centuries, Gaza experienced several hardships - from Mongol raids to floods and locusts, reducing it to a village by the 16th century when it was incorporated into the Ottoman Empire. During the first half of Ottoman rule, the Ridwan dynasty controlled Gaza and under them the city went through an age of great commerce and peace.
Gaza fell to British forces during World War I, becoming a part of the British Mandate of Palestine. As a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Egypt administered the newly-formed Gaza Strip territory and several improvements were undertaken in the city. Gaza was captured by Israel in the Six-Day War in 1967, but in 1993, the city was transferred to the Palestinian National Authority. Hamas took over the city in 2007 after months of clashes with its rival Fatah, and since then Gaza has been under a blockade by Egypt and Israel.
The primary economic activities of Gaza are small-scale industries, agriculture and labor. However, the economy has been devastated by the blockade and recurring conflicts. Most of Gaza's inhabitants adhere to Islam, although there exists a Christian minority. Gaza has a very young population with roughly 75% being under the age of 25, and today the city has one of the highest population densities in the world—refugees make up over half of the residents.
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While leading the Allied Forces during World War I, the British won control of the city during the Third Battle of Gaza in 1917.
After the war, Gaza was included in the British Mandate of Palestine.
In the 1930s and 1940s, Gaza underwent major expansion. New neighborhoods were built along the coast and the southern and eastern plains. International organizations and missionary groups funded most of this construction.
In the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, Gaza was assigned to an Arab state but was later occupied by Egypt following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Gaza's growing population was augmented by an influx of refugees fleeing nearby cities, towns and villages that were captured by Israel. In 1957, Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser made a number of reforms in Gaza, which included expanding educational opportunities and the civil services, providing housing, and establishing local security forces.
Gaza was occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six Day War following the defeat of the Egyptian Army. Frequent conflicts have erupted between Palestinians and the Israeli authorities in the city since the 1970s. The tensions lead to the First Intifada in 1987. Gaza was a center of confrontation during this uprising, and economic conditions in the city worsened.
In September 1993, leaders of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) signed the Oslo Accords. The agreement called for Palestinian administration of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank town of Jericho, which was implemented in May 1994. Israeli forces withdrew from Gaza, leaving a new Palestinian National Authority (PNA) to administer and police the city.
The PNA, led by Yasser Arafat, chose Gaza as its first provincial headquarters. The newly-established Palestinian National Council held its inaugural session in Gaza in March 1996.
Palestinians in a Gaza neighborhood during the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza Conflict (Source: Al Jazeera English)
Since the Palestinian organization Hamas won a surprise victory in the Palestinian elections of 2006, it has been engaged in a violent power struggle with its rival Palestinian organization Fatah. In 2007, Hamas overthrew Fatah forces in the Gaza Strip and Hamas members were dismissed from the PNA government in the West Bank in response. Currently, Hamas has de facto control of the city and Strip.
In March 2008, a coalition of human rights groups charged that the Israeli blockade of the city had caused the humanitarian situation in Gaza to have reached its worst point since Israel occupied the territory in the 1967 Six-Day War, and that Israeli air strikes targeting militants in the densely populated areas have often killed bystanders as well.
In 2008, Israel commenced an assault against Gaza. Israel stated the strikes were in response to repetitive rocket and mortar attacks from the Gaza Strip into Israel since 2005, while the Palestinians stated that they were responding to Israel's military excursions and blockade of the Gaza Strip. In January 2009, Palestinian sources stated that at least 1,300 Palestinians were killed in the conflict. Later, an official IF (Israeli Forces) investigation found that 1,166 Palestinians were killed, 709 of which were identified as Hamas terror operatives. 162 of them could not be identified, and 295 were confirmed as civilians. In addition, 4,000 buildings have been destroyed and 20,000 damaged throughout the Gaza Strip
sources: Al Jazeera English, Wikipedia
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Reason: Correction!
Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):
Our Palestinian sisters and brothers are living in Squaller while leadership has enjoyed the best accommodations throughout the years and have been derelict in representing their interests. The missed opportunities to create a Palestinian State have gone and passed. It seemed at times intentional obstacles by those claiming to represent them. The countless political organizations and governments who conveniently use the rally call to the Ummah to assist the Palestinian People to only further their own agenda. All talk and no action. The conditions only get worst while the people are being exploited and suffering.
The dysfunctional leadership that represent Muslim dominated countries continues unchallenged but the leadership of Non Muslim countries appears the first priority for criticism. The Ummah needs to first concentrate on replacing the Developed Countries stooges in our own countries who receive Financial Aid packages, Military Hardware, and have been documented to be on the payroll of CIA, etc.
I expect the criticism from those deeply entrenched in the Cultural and tribal allegiances. My allegiance is to Allah and the practicing Muslims seeking to implement Allah's laws and not man made tribalism and culture.
The Muslims not blinded lets post links that will assist our Palestinian sisters and brothers. Action! Action! Action!
No more rhetoric!
A organization not currently classified by the Zionist and friends to be a terrorist organization or supporting what they classify as terrorism.
We give our assistance to the Gaza Emergency Appeal on Islamiccity.com
Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
I just realized the biggest insult. On the maps and listing of countries, there is no Palestine anymore.
Gaza and The West Bank are shown as being districts of Israel. Sort of like states or counties, but not as a country. The Gaza Strip and The West Bank are still shown on SOME world maps, but there is no recognized country of Palestine.
I realize this is not new information, but it just sunk into me that Palestine is evaporating under the eyes of the world and to most of the world nations this is not seen as a conflict between 2 nations, but as an Israeli Civil war.
The final insult, technically in international view there are no Palestinians, they are considered Israeli citizens living in the districts of Gaza and The West Bank. a few listings recognize Palestine, but as a territory of Israel.
Here is a listing of the internationally recognized Sovereign Nations. although this listing is from wiki,I'm using the link to wiki as it seems to be the easiest to read, the listing from other sources are the same except a few list Palestine as a territory (A TERRITORY OF ISRAEL)
To show the reality of what happened. The people of Gaza pay their taxes to Israel. Products from Gaza are considered "MADE IN ISRAEL"
The tax system: Relying on the arrangements made in the Paris Agreement (1994) between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, Israel continues to control most elements of the taxation system of the Gaza Strip: Israel is responsible for setting the VAT and customs rates on goods intended for consumption in the Gaza Strip, collecting these taxes for the Palestinian Authority, and transferring the tax monies to the Palestinian Authority each month. These powers enable Israel to punish the Palestinian Authority by stopping the transfer of the tax revenues to the Palestinian Authority, which impairs the PA's ability to carry out basic functions of government such as paying salaries and providing humanitarian assistance. Israel also controls the granting of exemptions from customs and VAT to non-profit humanitarian-aid organizations for products and equipment donated to them from abroad. This power is extremely significant: if not granted the exemption, an organization would have to pay the taxes that the importer would have to pay when the goods enter the Gaza Strip at one of the crossing points controlled by Israel
see below for source:
If you cry easy do not click on this next link, when the impact sinks in, only a person with a cold, hard heart could keep from shedding a tear.
That is real nice idea if both parties really would like to make peace and live together in peace. Unfortunately hard line zionists don´t want to live peace, not with Palestinians neither with they neighbor countries. Palestinians have negotiated with zionists for decades and are still at point zero. Why? Zionist confiscate all the time more and more land from Palestinians and create they illegal settlements and take lands of Palestinians to "closed military areas" in the West Bank.
Answer is very simple: zionists don´t want peace. They want Palestine without Palestinians and show they western supporters that they are ready to negotiate.
Political process is very good for zionists: by that they ensure that there will never been any kind of state of Palestine as any Palestinians haven´t any way to live on they tiny ghettos ´what zionists have left them.
I agree that it is Israel, not Palestine, that perpetuates violence. Israel is unrelentlessly taking Palestinian land, especially in East Jerusalem. That has to stop. The Holy Land that both sides are fighting over is immensely sacred. As a matter of fact, its sacredness cannot be put into words. This is an issue that continues to prove itself incapable of being fixed, and if they don't sort it out soon, I fear many holy sites, especially sacred Christian sites in and around the land, may be destroyed, in addition to the tragic loss of life. That is why I'm a firm advocate for a swift two state solution.
I would love to say I support Palestine...and I do to a certain extent...but i wouldn't be Christian if i wasn't supporting Isreal, and God's chosen people.(Well...according to our Bible).
You do not necessarily have to be a Zionist to be a Christian. And many far right Jewish factions reject the idea that Israel in its present form is for God's chosen people. As far as they're concerned, Israel is a man made secular state without a temple as opposed to the God endorsed, Jewish law abising nation with a temple they imagine. Also, around 10% of Palestinians are Christian, with many Christian holy sites in Arab hands.
You do not have to be a Zionist. I'm neither a Zionist or an anti Zionist, my views on the matter are completely neutral. As far as I'm concerned, both sides have legitimate claims to the land, they just to respect the boundaries of each other's nations, and stop the killing and hatred.
I would love to say I support Palestine...and I do to a certain extent...but i wouldn't be Christian if i wasn't supporting Isreal, and God's chosen people.(Well...according to our Bible).
Peace in the Middle East
Italianguy:
What prevents anyone from becoming one of the chosen people? If it only requires converting to Judaism? The original majority are converted Jews from Europe.
Lookup the Falasha Jews from Ethiopia. (Not converted)
Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
What prevents anyone from becoming one of the chosen people? If it only requires converting to Judaism? The original majority are converted Jews from Europe.
Lookup the Falasha Jews from Ethiopia. (Not converted)
The Isrealites are the chosen people, the Israeli's of today......not so much
Peace to you Italianguy:
That makes your earlier quote confusing if you realize that Israelis occupy that terriotory and not the Isrealites.
Lā ilāha illā-llāhu waḥdahu lā sharīka lahu lahu-l-mulku
Wa lahu-l-hamdu yuḥyi Wa yumītu Wa huwa ḥayyu-llā yamūtu abadan abada
ḏū-l-jalāli wa-l-ikrām, biyadihi-l-khayr
wa huwa ‘alā kulli Shay’in qadīr.
we are not talking here about Israelis but zionists. Even many jews and "Israelis" condemn they political ideology and say they are against jewism.
Zionists rabbis are those whose give kind of statements:
West Bank rabbi: Jews can kill Gentiles who threaten Israel
Haaretz
November 9, 2009
Just weeks after the arrest of alleged Jewish terrorist, Yaakov Teitel, a West Bank rabbi on Monday released a book giving Jews permission to kill Gentiles who threaten Israel.
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.
"It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder."
Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers.
we are not talking here about Israelis but zionists. Even many jews and "Israelis" condemn they political ideology and say they are against jewism.
Zionists rabbis are those whose give kind of statements:
West Bank rabbi: Jews can kill Gentiles who threaten Israel
Haaretz
November 9, 2009
Just weeks after the arrest of alleged Jewish terrorist, Yaakov Teitel, a West Bank rabbi on Monday released a book giving Jews permission to kill Gentiles who threaten Israel.
Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.
Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.
"It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder."
Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers.
yikes! They want to kill me too? I am a gentile. They forgot 3 comandments as well
They wouldn't like me either way.....if they found out my bloodline is Roman....And i have a touch of Palestinian blood in me..oops did i say that out loud
Last edited by Italianguy; 02-06-2010 at 04:17 AM.
yikes! They want to kill me too? I am a gentile. They forgot 3 comandments as well
They wouldn't like me either way.....if they found out my bloodline is Roman....And i have a touch of Palestinian blood in me..oops did i say that out loud
Zionists, not jews nor Israelis.
I remember when Roman Pope made some strange comments about islam, in Palestine some far right argonists tried to burn holy places of christians, first whose volunteed to protect they were muslims.
We are not enemies.
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
I remember when Roman Pope made some strange comments about islam, in Palestine some far right argonists tried to burn holy places of christians, first whose volunteed to protect they were muslims.
We are not enemies.
I am nobody's enemy .........except spiders
I have a hard time with the Arab/ Isreali conflict. I am supposed to support the "other side" (Isreal) but.........that touch of Palestinian blood in me ....does something to me...my heart bleeds for Palestine...........i can't believe I just admitted that
I have a hard time with the Arab/ Isreali conflict. I am supposed to support the "other side" (Isreal) but.........that touch of Palestinian blood in me ....does something to me...my heart bleeds for Palestine...........i can't believe I just admitted that
anybody who learns what is happening in Gaza will feel their heart torn to shreds.
anybody who learns what is happening in Gaza will feel their heart torn to shreds.
I have ben taught not to hate anyone for any reason but to support veiws that I may not agree with.
For some time now I have been studying the right-of-return, the green line, resolution 242, the seperation wall, Anti-semetism, the two-state solution, phased strategy, The Road map, as well as Fatah, Force 17, Hamas, Hezbollah, the PLO, Tanzim and the Oslo agreement.
I's allot to take in, in such a short amount of time. I usually do not discuss my veiws on this subject. It is touchy in my family. Most in my family keep quite about our Palestinian (or Arab) blood. I only learn very small amounts at a time. I have to strategically plan my questions at the right time. ...I don't know....i will prob just keep my mouth shut
I can't let my wife see this anyway, she's always afraid i will convert.
Last edited by Italianguy; 02-06-2010 at 05:33 AM.
I have ben taught not to hate anyone for any reason but to support veiws that I may not agree with.
For some time now I have been studying the right-of-return, the green line, resolution 242, the seperation wall, Anti-semetism, the two-state solution, phased strategy, The Road map, as well as Fatah, Force 17, Hamas, Hezbollah, the PLO, Tanzim and the Oslo agreement.
I's allot to take in, in such a short amount of time. I usually do not discuss my veiws on this subject. It is touchy in my family. Most in my family keep quite about our Palestinian (or Arab) blood. I only learn very small amounts at a time. I have to strategically plan my questions at the right time. ...I don't know....i will prob just keep my mouth shut
I can't let my wife see this anyway, she's always afraid i will convert.
I know how hard it is to read everything and know everything. I have read also all Geneva Conventions by English even its not my mother language and also Basic Laws of Palestine, Oslo Agreements etc.
p.s. I know very well what is Force 17
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
I know how hard it is to read everything and know everything. I have read also all Geneva Conventions by English even its not my mother language and also Basic Laws of Palestine, Oslo Agreements etc.
p.s. I know very well what is Force 17
Yeah, things aren't going great over there on either side
I feel yoked by both sides....but like i said....i just keep my mouth shut My oppinion doesn't matter anyway.
Yeah, things aren't going great over there on either side
I feel yoked by both sides....but like i said....i just keep my mouth shut My oppinion doesn't matter anyway.
We hope things are going great at Palestian side as now in Gaza all parties are talking about national agreement, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, PFLP etc.
May Allah help them agree that they have just one enemy. Not they brothers.
Occupation.
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
Me too. But I don´t stop to this feeling. I am creating organization for helping people in Gaza by they basic needs.
It is as drop of the sea. But just enough drops make the sea.
we had a very active group in Austin, when I lived there. The Palestine Children's Welfare Fund. Our last effort ended tragically. We sent a very large supply of over the counter medicines, blankets, clothing and school supplies to Gaza, but Israel customs would not release the shipment and it is still is custom storage. It was over 50 tons of much needed items. Shortly after the shipment was blocked the founder of the PCWF founder Riad Hamad was found dead in Lady Bird lake in Austin. His hands and feet were tied and he was wrapped in duct tape, but the Police ruled it a suicide. Later the organization was accused of filtering money to Hamas and was shut down, even though we had a state approved CPA keeping track of every penny collected and where it went. The organization was finally cleared of any wrong doings and a close friend of Bro Riad is now trying to restart the organization.
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Brothers and Sisters, I have been sad recently. Upon hearing the war for the 1st time(I know it has been going on for quite a while now but I didn't understand back then) on January, I've come across this guilt feeling. We all know that our brothers/sisters are being killed/tortured everyday by sense we should already be praying to them everyday. But shouldn't we be doing something better? Why not we go into Gaza and oppose those who wants to harm our brothers/sisters? Why not just end our life with "shaheed" for the sake of our brothers/sisters?
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...........i can't believe I just admitted that
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