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    ‘Gay marriage’ and homosexuality: Some medical comments

    JOHN SHEA, M.D., JOHN WILSON, M.D., ET. AL. The media portrays the homosexual lifestyle and relationships as happy, healthy and stable. However, the homosexual lifestyle is associated with a large number of very serious physical and emotional health consequences. In addition, many 'committed' homosexual relationships only last a few years raising doubts about whether children raised in same-sex households are being raised in a protective environment.

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    wedding2 - found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all placesDespite the impression given by the media, the actual number of homosexuals is quite small. Essentially all surveys show the number of homosexuals to be only 1-3% of the population. The number of homosexuals living in 'common law partnerships' is even less, only 0.5% of all couples. This contrasts with 70% of all households with a married couple. The pressure for introducing same-sex marriages comes from a very small section of society.
    • According to Statistics Canada, 1.3% of men and 0.7% of women considered themselves to be homosexual.

    • Recent studies in many different countries show that the prevalence of homosexuality is less than 3% of the population: In a US study, the prevalence of homosexuality was estimated to be 2.1% of men and 1.5% of women. (Gilman SE. Am J Public Health. 2001; 91: 933-9.) Another US study estimated the prevalence of the adult lesbian population to be 1.87% (Aaron DJ et al. J Epidemiol Community Health. 2003; 57: 207-9.) In a recent British survey, 2.8% of men were classified as homosexuals (Mercer CH et al. AIDS. 2004; 18: 1453-8). In a recent Dutch study 2.8% of men and 1.4% women had had same-sex partners. (Sandfort TG et al. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2001; 58 :85-91.) In a New Zealand study, 2.8% of young adults were classified as homosexual or bisexual. (Fergusson DM et al. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1999; 56: 876-80)

    • In 2001, there were just over 8.3 million families in Canada, of which nearly 6 million (70%) were married couples and 1.1 million common-law couples. The 2001 Census was the first to provide data on same-sex partnerships. A total of 34,200 couples (or 0.5% of all couples) identified themselves as same-sex common-law couples. (www.statcan.ca/Daily/ English/021022/d021022a.htm)

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    2. Health risks of the homosexual lifestyle.
    The media portrays the homosexual lifestyle and relationships as happy, healthy and stable. However, the homosexual lifestyle is associated with a large number of very serious physical and emotional health consequences. Many 'committed' homosexual relationships only last a few years. This raises doubts as to whether children raised in same-sex households are being raised in a protective environment.
    A. There are very high rates of sexual promiscuity among the homosexual population with short duration of even 'committed' relationships.

    • A study of homosexual men shows that more than 75% of homosexual men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: approximately 15% claimed to have had 100-249 sex partners, 17% claimed 250-499, 15% claimed 500-999 and 28% claimed more than 1,000 lifetime sexual partners. (Bell AP, Weinberg MS. Homosexualities. New York 1978).

    • Promiscuity among lesbian women is less extreme, but is still higher than among heterosexual women. Many 'lesbian' women also have sex with men. Lesbian women were more than 4 times as likely to have had more than 50 lifetime male partners than heterosexual women. (Fethers K et al. Sexually transmitted infections and risk behaviours in women who have sex with women. Sexually Transmitted Infections 2000; 76: 345-9.)

    • Far higher rates of promiscuity are observed even within 'committed' gay relationships than in heterosexual marriage: In Holland, male homosexual relationships last, on average, 1.5 years, and gay men have an average of eight partners a year outside of their supposedly “committed” relationships. (Xiridou M, et al. The contribution of steady and casual partnerships to the incidence of HIV infection among homosexual men in Amsterdam. AIDS. 2003; 17: 1029-38.) Gay men have sex with someone other than their primary partner in 66% of relationships within the first year, rising to 90% of relationships after five years. (Harry J. Gay Couples. New York. 1984)

    • In an online survey among nearly 8,000 homosexuals, 71% of same-sex relationships lasted less than eight years. Only 9% of all same-sex relationships lasted longer than 16 years. (2003-2004 Gay & Lesbian Consumer Online Census; www.glcensus.org)

    • The high rates of promiscuity are not surprising: Gay authors admit that 'gay liberation was founded … on a sexual brotherhood of promiscuity.' (Rotello G. Sexual Ecology. New York 1998)

    B. Among homosexuals, highly risky sexual practices such as anal sex are very common.

    • The majority of homosexual men (60%) engage in anal sex, frequently without condom and even, if they know that they are HIV positive. (Mercer CH et al. Increasing prevalence of male homosexual partnerships and practices in Britain 1990-2000. AIDS. 2004; 18: 1453-8) As a result, a large number of diseases are associated with anal intercourse, many of which are rare or even unknown in the heterosexual population such as: anal cancer, Chlamydia trachomatis, Cryptosporidium, Giardia lamblia, Herpes simplex virus, HIV, Human papilloma virus, Isospora belli, Microsporidia, Gonorrhoea, Syphilis, Hepatitis B and C and others. (www.netdoctor.co.uk; www.gayhealthchannel.com

    • There is a significant increase in the risk of contracting HIV when engaging in anal sex. Young homosexual men aged 15-22, who ever had anal sex had a fivefold increased risk of contracting HIV than those who never engaged in anal sex. (Valleroy L, et al. HIV prevalence and associated risks in young men who have sex with men. JAMA. 2000; 284: 198-204.)

    • The term 'barebacking' refers to intentional unsafe anal sex. In a study of HIV-positive gay men, the majority of participants (84%) reported engaging in barebacking in the past three months, and 43% of the men reported recent bareback sex with a partner who most likely is not infected with HIV, therefore putting another man at risk of contracting HIV. (Halkitis PN. Intentional unsafe sex (barebacking) among HIV-positive gay men who seek sexual partners on the Internet. AIDS Care. 2003; 15: 367-78.)

    • While many homosexuals are aware of HIV risk, a large number are unaware of the increased risk of contracting non-HIV STDs, many of which have serious complications or may not be curable. (K-Y lubricant and the National Lesbian and Gay Health Association survey)

    • While 'always' condom use reduces the risk of contracting HIV by about 85%, Condoms, even when used 100% of the time, fail to give adequate levels of protection against many non-HIV STDs such as Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, Chlamydia, Herpes, Genital Warts and others. The only safe sex is, apart from abstinence, mutual monogamy with an uninfected partner. (Sex, Condoms, and STDs: What We Now Know. Medical Institute for Sexual Health. 2002)

    C. Homosexuals have very high rates of sexually transmitted infections such as HIV which pose a major burden to the health service.

    • Over 70% of all AIDS diagnoses in Canada in adults over the age of 15 up to June 2004 were in homosexual men (13,019 out of 19,238). 60% of all positive HIV tests are found in homosexual men. This contrasts with just over 15% of all positive HIV tests which are due to heterosexual contact. (Public Health Agency of Canada. HIV and AIDS in Canada. November 2004).

    • The recently observed dramatic increases in syphilis in many large cities such as Los Angeles, San Francisco, but also in London and Manchester, UK are in the majority observed in homosexual men. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Trends in primary and secondary syphilis and HIV infections in men who have sex with men. MMWR 2004; 53: 575-8. and Nicoll A. Are trends in HIV, gonorrhoea, and syphilis worsening in western Europe? BMJ 2002; 324:1324-7.)

    D. There are increased rates of mental ill health among the homosexual population compared to the general population. Many studies show much higher rates of psychiatric illness, such as depression, suicide attempts and drug abuse among homosexuals then among the general population. The homosexual lifestyle is associated with a shortened life expectancy of up to 20 years.

    • In a New Zealand study, data were gathered on a range of psychiatric disorders among gay, lesbian, and bisexual young people. At the age of 21, homosexuals/bisexuals were at fourfold increased risks of major depression and conduct disorder, fivefold increased risk of nicotine dependence, twofold increased risk of other substance misuse or addiction and six times more likely to have attempted suicide. (Fergusson DM et al. Is sexual orientation related to mental health problems and suicidality in young people? Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1999; 56: 876-80.)

    • In a recent US study of the mental health of homosexuals, it was found that gay/bisexual men had a more than 3-fold increased risk of major depression and a five-fold increased risk of panic disorder. They were three times as likely to rate their mental health as only 'fair' or 'poor' and to experience high levels of distress. Gay/bisexual women had a nearly four-fold increased risk of general anxiety disorder and both groups were more than three times as likely than the general population to require treatment in a mental health setting. (Cochran S. et al. Prevalence of mental disorders, psychological distress, and mental health services use among lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults in the United States. J Consult Clin Psychol. 2003; 71 :53-61.)

    • It is claimed, that the high rates of mental illness among homosexuals are the result of 'homophobia'. However, even in the Netherlands, which has been far more tolerant to same-sex relationships and which has recently legalised same-sex marriages, high levels of psychiatric illness, including major depression, bipolar disorder ('manic depression'), agoraphobia, obsessive compulsive disorder and drug addiction are found. (Sandfort TG, et al. Same-sex sexual behavior and psychiatric disorders: findings from the Netherlands Mental Health Survey and Incidence Study (NEMESIS). Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2001; 58 :85-91.)

    • Furthermore, if 'homophobia' and prejudices were the cause of the high rates of psychiatric disorders and suicide attempts among homosexuals, one would similarly expect to find higher rates of suicide attempts and suicide among ethnic minorities exposed to racism. However, this is not usually the case.

    • In a Vancouver study, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, it is estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday. (Hogg RS et al. Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men. International Journal of Epidemiology.1997; 26:657-61)

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    3. Homosexuality and pedophilia.
    Any attempts to legalise gay marriage should be aware of the link between homosexuality and pedophilia. While the majority of homosexuals are not involved in pedophilia, it is of grave concern that there is a disproportionately greater number of homosexuals among pedophiles and an overlap between the gay movement and the movement to make pedophilia acceptable.

    • One well known historic example on the link between homosexuality and pedophilia is found in ancient Greece. Greek mythology is saturated with stories of pedophilia and ancient Greek literature praises pedophilia. The age group of boys that were used for 'sexual pleasure' was probably in the range of 12-17. Male prostitution was very common with brothels in which boys and young men were available. There is evidence for an extensive trade in boys. (Churchill W. Homosexual Behavior among Males. Hawthorn. New York. 1967)

    • There are links between pedophilia and homosexuality. The political scientist Prof. Mirkin wrote in a paper that: 'pedophile organizations were originally a part of the gay/lesbian coalition…' (Mirkin H. The pattern of sexual politics: feminism, homosexuality and pedophilia. Journal of Homosexuality 1999; 37: 1-24.). There is an overlap between the 'gay movement' and the movement to make pedophilia acceptable through organisations such as the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), as admitted by David Thorstad, Co-founder of NAMBLA writing in the Journal of Homosexuality. (Thorstad D. Man/boy love and the American gay movement. Journal of Homosexuality. 1990; 20 : 251-74)

    • The number of homosexuals in essentially all surveys is less than 3%. (Statistics Canada found only 1% of the population who described themselves as homosexual.) However, the percentage of homosexuals among pedophiles is 25%. (Blanchard R et al. Fraternal birth order and sexual orientation in pedophiles. Archives of Sexual Behavior 2000; 29: 463-78.) Therefore, the prevalence of pedophilia among homosexuals is about 10-25 times higher than one would expect if the proportion of pedophiles were evenly distributed within the (hetero- and homosexual) populations.

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    4. 'Gay marriage'.
    Gay activists claim that there is no difference between children raised in a homosexual as opposed to a heterosexual household. However, essentially all studies that show that there is no difference have been criticised because of poor research quality. Despite the shortcomings, the studies seem to suggest that children raised in same-sex parents may be more sexually promiscuous and more likely to become homosexuals.

    • In a review of all the studies that purport to find no difference between children raised in families by same-sex parents and parents of different sex, major methodological flaws have been noted. For example, the studies have very small sample sizes, biased sample selection, or lack of control groups. (P. Morgan, Children as Trophies? Christian Institute. Newcastle upon Tyne, 2002)

    • Despite the limitations of the studies of same-sex parenting some differences are found. Children raised in same-sex parents are more likely to become sexually promiscuous and are more likely to become homosexual themselves. (Riggs SC. Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents. (letter) Pediatrics 2002; 109: 1193-4.)

    • However, the main concern remains the inherent instability of same-sex marriages. In the above mentioned Dutch survey, the average length of a 'committed' homosexual partnership was only 1.5 years. In the mentioned survey of nearly 8,000 gays, 71% of relationships did not last 8 years. Furthermore, violence among homosexual partnerships is two to three times as common as in heterosexual relationships. Such an environment does not provide the stability required for raising children. Former homosexual Stephen Bennett who is married to his wife and has two children states: 'Granting homosexuals the right to marry or adopt children is deliberately creating dysfunctional families.'

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    5. Biological evidence regarding gender development.
    Despite all the impressions given by the media, homosexuality is neither an entirely innate condition nor is it unchangeable. The so-called 'gay gene' has never been found. There are studies that show it is possible to change sexual orientation from predominantly homosexual to predominantly heterosexual orientation.

    • A recent review by authors sympathetic to the gay movement shows clearly that homosexual development cannot be only determined by genes. Evidence from biology shows clearly that gays are not simply born that way. Environmental influences play a significant role in the development of gender identity and sexual behavior. (Bailey JM. "Biological perspectives on sexual orientation". In: Garnets LD and Kimmel DC: Psychological perspectives on lesbian, gay, and bisexual experiences. Columbia University Press, New York. 2003)

    • There is no convincing evidence for a 'gay gene'. Indeed, if there were a 'gay gene' those who carry it would probably be at a disadvantage in the natural selection process of evolution:' If there was a 'gay gene' this gene would cause a significant problem: homosexuality is associated with low fertility, indeed if a homosexual has only sex with same-sex persons he will have no offspring.' (Bailey JM. Biological perspectives on sexual orientation. 2003)

    • One way of finding out whether a condition is genetically determined is to examine the behavior of identical twins (who have the same genetic material) and comparing them with non-identical twins. It is assumed, that twins grow up in the same environment. There have been several studies investigating whether the identical twin brothers of homosexual men are also homosexuals. Concordance (both identical twins being homosexual) was found in only 25-50% of identical twin pairs. 'Genes' therefore cannot entirely explain homosexual orientation and behaviour. (Pillard RC and Weinrich JD. Evidence of familial nature of male homosexuality. Archives of General Psychiatry. 1986: 42; 808-12. King M and McDonald E. Homosexuals who are twins. A study of 46 probands. British Journal of Psychiatry. 1992; 160: 407-9.)

    • Recently, a study was published by Professor Spitzer, a prominent psychiatrist. He is viewed as a historic champion of gay activism by playing a key role in removing homosexuality from the psychiatric manual of mental disorders in 1973. In his study, he examined whether a predominantly homosexual orientation will, in some individuals, respond to therapy. He examined 200 respondents of both genders who reported changes from homosexual to heterosexual orientation lasting 5 years or more. He writes: 'Although initially skeptical, in the course of the study, the author became convinced of the possibility of change in some gay men and lesbians.' Although examples of "complete" change in orientation were not common, the majority of participants did report change from a predominantly or exclusively homosexual orientation before therapy to a predominantly or exclusively heterosexual orientation in the past year as a result of reparative therapy. These results would seem to contradict the position statements of the major mental health organizations in the United States, which claim there is no scientific basis for believing psychotherapy effective in addressing same-sex attraction. (Spitzer RL. Can some gay men and lesbians change their sexual orientation? 200 participants reporting a change from homosexual to heterosexual orientation. Arch Sex Behav. 2003; 32: 403-17; discussion 419-72. – further evidence see www.narth.com)

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    6. Benefits of traditional marriage.
    There are significant benefits from (heterosexual) marriage for individual and society. Heterosexually married couples are, on average, healthier, have fewer psychological problems and live longer than cohabiting or single individuals. Government policy therefore should be to support and strengthen heterosexual marriage.

    • In reviews by Professor Oswald, Professor of Economics at Warwick University, UK it was found that marriage reduces mortality. The excess mortality of men who are not married is similar to the excess mortality by smoking. Marriage has a much more important effect on longevity than income does. For men, the effect is positive and substantial. It almost exactly offsets the large (negative) consequences of smoking. For women, the effect is approximately half the size of the smoking effect.

    • Marriage is associated with greater happiness, less depression, less alcohol abuse and less smoking. Marriage gives a beneficial effect in terms of reducing alcohol abuse especially for men and reducing depression for both men and women.

    • Health benefits of marriage appear to be limited to marriage. Cohabitation does not confer the same degree of benefit than marriage. Formal marriage itself seems to matter. In the few studies that compare marriage and cohabitation, the results tend to show a beneficial effect from being married. (Gardner J, Oswald A, Is it Money or Marriage that Keeps People Alive? August 2002. Wilson CM and Oswald AJ: How Does Marriage Affect Physical and Psychological Health? A Survey of the Longitudinal Evidence. (January 2002; both papers available on Prof Oswald's website – see 'further reading')

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    7. Adverse effects of family breakdown.
    There is a wealth of evidence linking family breakdown with many adverse health outcomes for children and society as a whole. Government policy therefore should be to strengthen the marriage-based family of husband and wife. 'Gay marriages', with their inherent instability, will contribute to the many adverse effects family breakdown has on children and on society as a whole.

    • At the root of many of the problems we see in children and young adults — such as emotional and behavioral difficulties, poor school performance, substance misuse, precocious teenage sexuality including teenage pregnancy and juvenile delinquency — is the dramatic increase in family breakup and 'relationship turnover' of parents, adversely affecting their children (For an overview see: Rebecca O'Neill. Experiments in living. CIVITAS. 2002)

    • As a result of family breakdown, children have on average more ill health including higher mortality, emotional problems (including a higher suicide rate).

    • Children from broken families have poorer school performance including poorer performance in maths, reading and writing.

    • Children from broken families are more likely to live in poverty. As a result of family breakdown, many single parent families live in poverty.

    • Children from broken families are also more likely to have problems with substance misuse and poor sexual health including teenage pregnancy.

    • Furthermore, children from broken homes are more likely to be engaging in criminal activity and are disproportionally over-represented in the prison population.

    • In a study of more than 170 US cities, a clear link between divorce rate and crime was found. Low rates of divorce were associated with reduced crime rates. (Sampson RJ, Crime in Cities. Tonry & Morris eds., Crime and Justice, Chicago 1992)

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    Further reading:
    Health risks of gay sex Effects of family breakdown on children and society by CIVITAS, London, UK
    Marriage research (by Prof Andrew Oswald)
    Therapy of homosexual orientation: www.narth.com (National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality).
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    ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
    John Shea, M.D., John Wilson, M.D. et.al. "'Gay marriage' and homosexuality: some medical comments." Lifesite (February, 2005).
    Originally published to Lifesite.
    THE AUTHORS
    John Shea, MD, FRCP (C), Radiologist; John K. Wilson MD, FRCP (C), Cardiologist; Paul Ranalli MD, FRCP (C), Neurologist; Christina Paulaitis MD, CCFP, Family Physician; Luigi Castagna MD, FRCP (C), Paediatric Neurologist; Hans-Christian Raabe MD, MRCP MRCGP Internist; W. André Lafrance MD, FRCP (C), Dermatologist.
    http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ty/ho0095.html
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    The legalization of homo relationships, homo marriages and allowing homos and lesbians to adopt children is the final sign of the win of atheism and every powers which support it. It's like big banner - "People forgot about the Creator here, the new master reigns now".
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Italianguy View Post
    good article! Hasn't that one been put on this forum before? I like the picture of the man and woman holding hands My wife had henna done for our wedding, it was beautiful! She does it every once in a while. It is expensive though. Some get their nails done...my wife gets Henna

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    again we have no dislike for homosexuals.. ever heard of hate the sin not the sinner? How could we possibly discuss people we have never met? we are simply discussing an act we find abominable and unnatural!

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    Yes, of course of that, although with your constant hostility of Christians, Jews, liberals, Americans, Brits and the like, it wouldn't surprise me if you did *dislike* homosexuals.

    Homosexuality is unnatural, but then so is flying in planes, driving and even using the internet! If you want 'natural' then hey, let's all run around stark naked with wooden spears hunting elephants and then retiring to the fire in the cave whilst having relations with our cousins and regularly fighting the other alpha male caveman of the tribe!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme View Post
    Yes, of course of that, although with your constant hostility of Christians, Jews, liberals, Americans, Brits and the like, it wouldn't surprise me if you did *dislike* homosexuals.

    Homosexuality is unnatural, but then so is flying in planes, driving and even using the internet! If you want 'natural' then hey, let's all run around stark naked with wooden spears hunting elephants and then retiring to the fire in the cave whilst having relations with our cousins and regularly fighting the other alpha male caveman of the tribe!
    Again, you need someone to teach you how to rid yourself of the following traits
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    4- emotional reasoning (it is good when you boast a high IQ to actually yield less to emotionality and more to logic) as to loan credence to your point of view..
    5-labeling (probably the most unattractive)
    6- blame..

    so you can have meaningful dialogues with others, if that is indeed your purpose here..

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    anybody that has an understanding of the persecuted should know better

    i particularly like Gossamer skye's post, like giving street dawa with science. (sarcasm)
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    format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A. View Post
    anybody that has an understanding of the persecuted should know better
    How so?

    i particularly like Gossamer skye's post, like giving street dawa with science. (sarcasm)
    we are not offering da3wa on this thread perhaps you got lost on your way to the cantina? (derogatory)
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme View Post
    The English language is not subject to specific rules; the beauty of the language is the synonyms and the different meanings words can have and the different situations words can be applied to. Homophobia may not be a conventional 'phobia', but it is very much existent and applies to any dislike of homosexuals!
    It is made up nonsense. It is demeaning to those with real Phobias. Homosexuality is wrong. Truth is truth even if you try to pretend otherwise.
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    How so?

    we are not offering da3wa on this thread perhaps you got lost on your way to the cantina? (derogatory)

    what i was trying to incite from you was probably a little more thought, i know its hugely pretencious of me but thats what that post was about.
    iv known a shed load of people who are totally against my world view( skewed world view) but if i have anything that they can take from me i hope it would be something of my deen.

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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Seeker1066 View Post
    It is made up nonsense. It is demeaning to those with real Phobias. Homosexuality is wrong. Truth is truth even if you try to pretend otherwise.
    Perhaps we could agree it is about as relevant as 'Islamaphobia'.
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau View Post
    Perhaps we could agree it is about as relevant as 'Islamaphobia'.
    perverted sexual acts and religion are as similar as tandem biking and the M theory...

    love those tired tactics though.. the words are the same..
    consent.. who is to come between two consenting adults, of course one wonders how you feel about consenting siblings having sex?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007...y.kateconnolly
    Bigotry of course (who wants to be a 'bigot')
    homophobia (of course who wants to be labeled as a phobic)
    then by all means pull the last trump card, compare sodomy to religion.. btw the fellow you quoted isn't even a Muslim so I am not sure what impact 'islamophobia' will have on him!

    what a convincing argument..
    I think it is time the lot of you regrouped and thought of better methodology because you are failing miserably!
    found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places


    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    Not all Muslims who find themselves with homosexual inclinations leave Islam..[...]
    i dont get why they even do that to begin with you dont find the same Muslims who drink, commit zina, dont pray, disobey their parents, etc leave Islam...i dont know why homosexuality is any different. people always act on impulse and always take the extreme


    It is made up nonsense. It is demeaning to those with real Phobias. Homosexuality is wrong. Truth is truth even if you try to pretend otherwise.
    what i dont get is if they really did have something wrong with them medically, why dont they get treated with meds for it, like everyone else whose brains a little "unbalanced."
    found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ummu Sufyaan View Post


    i dont get why they even do that to begin with you dont find the same Muslims who drink, commit zina, dont pray, disobey their parents, etc leave Islam...i dont know why homosexuality is any different. people always act on impulse and always take the extreme


    I believe this to be a psychological problem, not a biological one, as such I quote the verse from the Noble Quran:


    وَأَمَّا مَنْ خَافَ مَقَامَ رَبِّهِ وَنَهَى النَّفْسَ عَنِ الْهَوَى {40}
    [Pickthal 79:40] But as for him who feared to stand before his Lord and restrained his soul from lust,
    فَإِنَّ الْجَنَّةَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَى {41}
    [Pickthal 79:41] Lo! the Garden will be his home.


    as such the key is to restrain oneself from lowly desires in whatever form..



    what i dont get is if they really did have something wrong with them medically, why dont they get treated with meds for it, like everyone else whose brains a little "unbalanced."
    Some do like the brother above in the article I quoted..

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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ummu Sufyaan View Post

    what is this trend people seem to be having with homosexuality...its like becoming in fashion or something
    My friend was discussing this same issue with me the other day. He was telling me that in his high school, being homosexual makes you popular. At first, I was like whaaat? No way. And it seems like you just affirmed his statement.
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Rashad View Post
    My friend was discussing this same issue with me the other day. He was telling me that in his high school, being homosexual makes you popular. At first, I was like whaaat? No way. And it seems like you just affirmed his statement.
    I must be incredibly old fashioned.. seems like yesterday I was playing with my atari

    atari2 - found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places


    and here I am now, can't keep up with the latest fashion trends
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Italianguy View Post
    It's really noy just for Non-Mulsims. There is a huge gay Muslim community as well. I even saw a documentary on it called "Gay Muslims"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Muslims

    Being gay is not something one is born with. It's a choice. It's a gross discusting inexcusable sin. It's so bad how the whole world is becomming immune and treating them like they are a new race.
    In Islam, having gay feelings is not "gross disgusting inexcusable sin".
    While acting on those gay feelings are indeed abominable sin.
    Those gay feelings is a test from Allah.
    Indeed it is no more difficult test than any other tests.
    For the believers who have gay tendencies, if they can control and defeat
    those nafs, then it is a way to be elevated in status by Allah and to get Allah's ridho and mercy.

    That's why Rasulullah SAW advised anyone to get married as soon as they can.
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    In Islam, having gay feelings is not "gross disgusting inexcusable sin".
    While acting on those gay feelings are indeed abominable sin.
    Those gay feelings is a test from Allah.
    Indeed it is no more difficult test than any other tests.
    For the believers who have gay tendencies, if they can control and defeat
    those nafs, then it is a way to be elevated in status by Allah and to get Allah's ridho and mercy.

    That's why Rasulullah SAW advised anyone to get married as soon as they can.
    Sorry bro, I should have worded it that way. I meant that if they are gay, meaning they act upon those...ummmmm, feelings It is a severe sin. A Christian can't call themselves a follower of Christ and be gay at the same time, I hate how they do that. I don't hate gays, I pray that they will truley find God and realise it didn't start with Adam and Eddie...It started with Adam and Eve.
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    I must be incredibly old fashioned.. seems like yesterday I was playing with my atari

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    and here I am now, can't keep up with the latest fashion trends
    Your not to old....I love the atari In fact, they are reselling that system in stores again, as a new system! YEAH! They call it the retro atari....now I feel old
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Italianguy View Post
    Sorry bro, I should have worded it that way. I meant that if they are gay, meaning they act upon those...ummmmm, feelings It is a severe sin. A Christian can't call themselves a follower of Christ and be gay at the same time, I hate how they do that. I don't hate gays, I pray that they will truley find God and realise it didn't start with Adam and Eddie...It started with Adam and Eve.
    Adam and Steve rhymes better.. 15 - found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye View Post
    perverted sexual acts and religion are as similar as tandem biking and the M theory...
    I think you'll find I wasn't comparing religion with anything, only 'phobias' in the context of disagreeing with world views, or beliefs. The reality is that some people against homosexuality are also homophobic and some people against Islam are Islamaphobic. Phobia has to do with irrational fear. If you have irrational concerns about either Islam or homosexuality and actually feel irrationaly concerned or scared when in contact with either a Muslim or a homosexual then you might, just perhaps have phobia.

    Labelling everyone who has a problem with either as phobic in some sort of way is just a petulant retort.

    love those tired tactics though.. the words are the same..
    consent.. who is to come between two consenting adults, of course one wonders how you feel about consenting siblings having sex?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007...y.kateconnolly
    You answered it yourself: consent.

    There's really no argument that someone who believes in consent can argue against concerning that. There are no ethical issues. As soon as two parties consent to any given action it no longer becomes a question of ethics.

    Bigotry of course (who wants to be a 'bigot')
    homophobia (of course who wants to be labeled as a phobic)
    then by all means pull the last trump card, compare sodomy to religion.. btw the fellow you quoted isn't even a Muslim so I am not sure what impact 'islamophobia' will have on him!
    I don't care what affect it has on him. I didn't quote him just to get him to respond.

    I think it is time the lot of you regrouped and thought of better methodology because you are failing miserably!
    At what? What do you imagine 'we' are trying to do?
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    Re: found this great article on homosexuals on a catholic site of all places

    almost feels like im being trolled here but i guess everybody's views are engrained.
    knew a guy at uni, very polite, didnt even look at girls, his mannerisms were odd. like his brain was a bit off center, didnt fit into any groups. seemed like a cool guy i think i prayed jumma with him a few times.
    anyway, i thought he was gay.
    now i work in a pharmacy with about 10 women and 2 guys. they must think im gay.(implying im polite, lol, my intentions are...what my hands, feet and mouth send out against me i do not know)
    dont dismantle homosexuality down to being a perverted act, its somebodies whole life you deconstructed, try a little more understanding.
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