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    i was browsing through fatwas on islam q/a so i came across a fatwa where its stated a woman should not pluke her eye brows not even for her husband because its changing your creation..

    so i thought that was good ruling subhanAllah so then i came across this fatwa

    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/146289

    and the scholar said it was permissible for a woman to get breast implants if her breast is small. i was shocked to be honest, im not going to lie.

    i think if you can't do something small as pluking your eye brows, why is a woman allowed to change her creation through having surgery on her breasts? i don't get it. can some one please explain this

    complications can happen during surgery. why would u put yourself through that risk?
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    maybe there is some psychological issues a woman goes through for having a smaller chest?:><: i wouldn't know. thats why i want to understand why its allowed. i hope i get answer soon
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    some black sheep husbands r wives would wan tht but i thnk good muslim husband wants a good practicing muslim wife.in bukhari shareef Prophet pbuh said wife who will help her husband with his deen in jannah she will be 70000 times more beautiful thn jannah HOOR!but here in ths dunya v r bzy doin to make ourselve good lokin!
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    Salaam

    Maybe getting fatwas online isnt the best idea

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    Re: confused over fatwa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    Salaam

    Maybe getting fatwas online isnt the best idea

    peace
    Bro she is talking about islamqa.com . The site is supervised by Sheikh Mohammed Salih al-Munajjid. This great scholar is a student of the eminent sheikhs ibn Baz and al-Uthaimeen (rahimahumullaah). There is absolutely nothing wrong in taking a fatwa from this site inshallaah.

    And to the OP: Its much advisable to put the same question to the sheikh himself. You will inshallaah get a satisfying answer.
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    Honey , I have read the original Arabic fatwa and I found that the one who translated it to English language had added things which are not in the real Arabic one and now I will send the site mentioning this in shaa Allah to correct this mistake ...

    may Allah love you Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeen

    I will post both of them my sweetie and show you the extra words( by making them red) which made this fatwa wrong ...

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    السؤال : ما حكم استخدام مادة البوتوكس في الجراحة التجميلية مثل زراعة الصدر السيلكون . إنني أتساءل عن هذا الأمر منذ فترة .



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    والدليل على ذلك ما روى أبو داود (4232) والترمذي (1770) والنسائي (5161) عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ طَرَفَةَ (أَنَّ جَدَّهُ عَرْفَجَةَ بْنَ أَسْعَدَ قُطِعَ أَنْفُهُ يَوْمَ الْكُلَابِ فَاتَّخَذَ أَنْفًا مِنْ وَرِقٍ [ أي فضة] فَأَنْتَنَ عَلَيْهِ فَأَمَرَهُ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَاتَّخَذَ أَنْفًا مِنْ ذَهَبٍ) والحديث حسنه الألباني في صحيح أبي داود .
    وينظر كلام أهل العلم في هذه المسألة في الجواب رقم (138273) ورقم (108860) .
    ثانيا :
    يجوز استعمال مادة البوتوكس إذا خلت من الضرر ؛ لقول النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: (لَا ضَرَرَ وَلَا ضِرَارَ) أخرجه أحمد (2865) وابن ماجه (2341) وصححه الألباني في صحيح ابن ماجه .
    والله أعلم .


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    Is it permissible to use botox?


    What is the ruling on using botox for cosmetic procedures such as silicon breast implants? I have been wondering about this matter for a while.



    Praise be to Allaah.


    Firstly:


    There is nothing wrong with breast implants or enlargement for one who has had a breast removed or who is suffering because they are small, because that comes under the heading of removing a fault or restoring something to the way it was created by Allah.


    The evidence for that is the report narrated by Abu Dawood (4232), al-Tirmidhi (1770) and al-Nasaa’i (5161) from ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Tarafah, that the nose of his grandfather ‘Arjafah ibn As‘ad was cut off in the battle of al-Kulaab, and he wore a nose made of silver, but it began to stink, so the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) told him to get a nose made of gold. This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.


    Please see the comments of the scholars concerning this matter in the answer to question no. 138273 and 108860.


    Secondly:


    It is permissible to use botox if it is free from harm, because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “There should be neither harm nor reciprocating harm.”


    Narrated by Ahmad (2865), Ibn Maajah (2341) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah.


    And Allah knows best.



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    and when he said:



    Secondly:



    It is permissible to use botox if it is free from harm



    he meant it is permissible to use botox in breast implants for those who have had a breast removed to restore it to the way it was created by Allah, if botox is free from harm...

    and Allah knows the best


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    Re: confused over fatwa

    I've also read various fatwas which contradict one another. For instance there was a fatwa saying cosmetic surgery is haram for vanity, but a woman with a broad nose was allowed it because it was to remove a fault. Since when is a broad nose a fault?


    Botox is not used in implants. It is used in the front chest muscles to weaken them, which makes the upper back muscles stronger thus creating a lift. The toxin in botox affects nerve endings preventing messages being sent to the brain. The long term effects of botox are not known. But it's not hard to imagine what they could be, so you can't ever be sure botox is free from harm.
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    may Allah love you my dear and precious sister Ameeeeen

    many people do not know about botox , jazaki Allahu Al Firdaws Ameeeeeen
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    wa iyyaki, and you too dear ukht.
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Imraan View Post
    Bro she is talking about islamqa.com . The site is supervised by Sheikh Mohammed Salih al-Munajjid. This great scholar is a student of the eminent sheikhs ibn Baz and al-Uthaimeen (rahimahumullaah). There is absolutely nothing wrong in taking a fatwa from this site inshallaah.

    And to the OP: Its much advisable to put the same question to the sheikh himself. You will inshallaah get a satisfying answer.
    Salaam

    I'm not a fan of taking fatwas from online sites even if its Islam QA - It would be better to actually go and see a scholar or an imam in the community.

    peace
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amat Allah View Post
    Honey , I have read the original Arabic fatwa and I found that the one who translated it to English language had added things which are not in the real Arabic one and now I will send the site mentioning this in shaa Allah to correct this mistake ...

    may Allah love you Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeen

    I will post both of them my sweetie and show you the extra words( by making them red) which made this fatwa wrong ...




    and when he said:




    he meant it is permissible to use botox in breast implants for those who have had a breast removed to restore it to the way it was created by Allah, if botox is free from harm...

    and Allah knows the best


    may Allah reward you ukhti Alhamdulilah!!

    i know anyone can make mistakes but they should be extremely careful in future. this is very worrying indeed
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Scents of Jannah View Post
    I've also read various fatwas which contradict one another. For instance there was a fatwa saying cosmetic surgery is haram for vanity, but a woman with a broad nose was allowed it because it was to remove a fault. Since when is a broad nose a fault?
    thats truly terrible astagfuriallah
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    thank you every one for your replies. yes i think inshallah its best to get in contact with imam directly.
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    Salaam.

    I have seen fatwa that it's haram to pluck eye brow but it's allowed to pluck hair from upper lip. So , it's not totally forbidden to make changes in face ? Any one can clear the matter ?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman View Post
    Salaam.

    I have seen fatwa that it's haram to pluck eye brow but it's allowed to pluck hair from upper lip. So , it's not totally forbidden to make changes in face ? Any one can clear the matter ?
    dear ukht,

    well women aren't meant to have a mouchaan lol. Allah never meant them to. Hormone imbalance can cause hairs to grow where they shouldn't. So it's a condition and thus it's allowed to be removed.
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman View Post
    Salaam.

    I have seen fatwa that it's haram to pluck eye brow but it's allowed to pluck hair from upper lip. So , it's not totally forbidden to make changes in face ? Any one can clear the matter ?

    From what I've read only the plucking of eyebrows is forbidden from facial hair. And Allah knows best.

    ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Allaah has cursed the woman who does tattoos and the one who has them done, the woman who plucks eyebrows (al-naamisah) and the one who has it done (al-mutanammisah), and the one who files her teeth for the purpose of beauty, altering the creation of Allaah.”

    (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5931; Muslim, 2125)
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    Asalamu Alikum Wr Wb!

    I asked sister Danah and she directed me towards some links

    The muslim woman have to beautify herself as she want but within the permitted boundaries that Islam allowed, I am not a scholar or even a student of knowledge, but I will share what I know and what we practice here. As for the eyebrows plucking its a clear forbidden.

    As for removing the hair of the face like upperlips parts or cheeks there is nothing wrong with it, read here

    As for bleaching, the scholars are differ in that issue, some said its okay some others said no its not. Some scholars said its okay like Ibn Uthaimin, some others said its not like Ibn Jabrin. You may read this

    Above all, there is no single law in Islam without a wisdom behind it. The eyebrow area is a place where many blood vessels gathered so when the hair is plucked from there it might cause damage for that area hence cause a severe damage for the body. I heard a story happened few years ago of a woman went to the beauty saloon to pluck her eyebrows and while the worker girl was doing her job on the customer face there were one hair of the eyebrow that she couldn't remove becuz that hair was so strong. Then another worker came along to help and when that one hair got removed the customer died!!!


    There were one of those blood vessels that feed the brain in that area and with the hair that was attached to it removed the vessels was damaged!
    Jazakamullahu Khair!
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    i remember a girl in school was telling me actually her friend had got some nerve damage from plucking her eye brows.

    i didnt believe it at the time but subhanAllah there is a lot we don't know because salons are making so much money every year on this alone.
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    Re: confused over fatwa

    Salaam ;

    I browsed about eye brow pluck and found this.

    It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:
    (a) There is no sin on a woman if she removes hair on her upper lip, thighs, calves and arms. This is not part of the tanammus (plucking) that is forbidden.
    (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/194, 195)

    (b) The Committee was asked:


    What is the Islamic ruling on plucking the hair between the eyebrows?
    They replied:

    It is permissible to pluck it, because it is not part of the eyebrows.
    (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/197)

    The Standing Committee was asked:
    What is the ruling on a woman removing hair from her body?
    They replied:

    It is permissible for her to do that, apart from the hair of the eyebrows and head. It is not permissible for her to remove the hair of her head or to remove any part of the eyebrows, whether by shaving or any other means.
    Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/194
    We should comment on the questioner’s words “I know that plucking the eyebrows is haraam and removing facial hair is also.”
    As for plucking the eyebrows, this is haraam and is a major sin, because the Prophet [an error occurred while processing this directive] (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed those who do it.
    But as for removing facial hair, there is a difference of opinion among the scholars as to whether it is permissible to remove it. This is based on their various understandings of the word al-namas.
    Some scholars said that al-namas means removing any facial hair, and they did not limit it to the eyebrows. Others were of the view that al-namas refers to removing the hair of the eyebrows only. This was the view favoured by the Standing Committee as is clear from the fatwas quoted above.


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    Re: confused over fatwa

    Some scholars said that al-namas means removing any facial hair, and they did not limit it to the eyebrows. Others were of the view that al-namas refers to removing the hair of the eyebrows only. This was the view favoured by the Standing Committee as is clear from the fatwas quoted above.
    I find this hard to understand. Assuming the scholars know that superflous hair can be a result of hormone imbalance then why would they deem it impermissible to pluck it; especially when at the same time they allow cosmetic surgery to remove a fault.

    And there is a a number of hadith which state that it is forbidden to strike the face. This is so as to not disfigure or scar it as the face is a source of pride. And there is nothing wrong in taking pride in your looks as long as it doesn't lead to arrogance. The prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him forbade cutting the tail of horses for they have pride in them. Then how can a woman who has facial hair feel proud of her looks. The poor woman will hide and shy away and be ashamed of it. I don't believe Allah the Merciful and Kind wants any woman to fdeel like so. How can she feel comfortable facing her husband knowing he is not looking at her but at her beard? With due respect, I wish to talk to the scholars who deem it impermissible and show them that a hairy face can harm a woman physically and psychologically. Allah made Islam easy for us, not a punishment!
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