This is referring to people who are NOT repenting. Not of those who will repent, and as per the "Collapse of these countries".
The sole purpose of me in creating this thread was to highlight the fact that we are not starting from the beginning. I was unhappy that Muslims were treating people like if they never heard, and understand what is required of them to pass their tests. I was unhappy that they were treating the West like if they are going to start from the beginning of teaching them about Islam. So to get them to see that we are nearing the end and countries are finishing right now and we are heading towards the first Major signs of the Day of Judgement.
This thread has already run its course, and I will not be posting on it. See on Ummah forum, as all relevant questions were answered. Which is even more beneificial as can quickly learn about issues.
I created this on the 19/01/10 its on page 72 at the moment in the General sections on Ummah forum, if anyone likes to read the posts, which did do its job of highlighting the misconceptions that some Muslims were having about people being taught about Islam in this world.
If anyone wants to post here, etc they can, but I am confident that all relevant questions have already been answered after having over 200 posts, so I will not be replying.
1. Getting drunk
2. Gambling
3. Charging interest
4. Being lewd-walking around naked even going to other countries to walk around naked on their beaches
5. Having children outside of marriage
6. Eating so much that Allah has provided without giving thanks
7. Homosexuality is more acceptable then being a Muslim
8. Not worshipping Allah as even the angels do.
People are being critical of Muslims when we don't care that sinners will be destroyed! I am not praying for guidance for indecent people going out to nightclubs, pubs etc, its a joke, after all they have already received guidance, heard about Islam, seen natural disasters, even a volcano erupting in the US recently while they were murdering Muslims. They have received so much from Allah and they still reject Islam, living their sinful ways and even increasing them after the War on Terror-at the time people were talking about Islam more-but what do they do-make civil partnerships, increase in female's rubbish clothings etc.
Some people have been saying that we can't say that people are being punished when a natural disaster strikes. They are going as far as saying we can't say that when the sinners are destroyed its a good thing! But its OK for them to say to kill Muslims abroad is OK.
They are forgetting that Allah himself will be destoying them! Are people going to be saying that this is wrong?? If they want to criticise what I'm saying then are they saying that Allah is going to let the US, UK etc continue?? Allah has taught us that when people are being sinful, they are destroyed.
On the Day of Judgement no one will be caring about you-so that is why I'm not going to say to sinful people that I care about them! I am not living a lie. They prefer to listen to people who claim they are caring etc when they are just liars-as I said they will not be supporting them on the Day of Judgement so why are they saying it in this world?
This is what the Christians are doing, tell people what they want to hear, that is why they don't talk about the Day of Judgement, or people going to hell as much -to make them acceptable to people. They will not be supporting the sinners so they should not wrongfully using the words compassion-they even go as far as saying they forgive people-in Islam it is only Allah forgives, a Muslim does not care about wrong done on them as they are rewarded by Allah for being patient and being religious.
The Christians have clearly changed religion and that has made the people's impression on religion change! No Prophet went around kissing and hugging people telling them that Allah loves them! Prophet Lut peace be upon him did not go around saying to the homosexuals that Allah loves them! He told them if they don't repent they will be destroyed.
Prophet Noah peace be upon him never went around kissing and hugging people telling them that Allah cares about them-simply told them if they don't worship Allah and be good they will be destroyed-see the verses from the Quran below;-
21:76 (Asad) AND [remember] noah - [how,] when He called out [unto Us], long before [the time of Abraham and Lot], We responded to him and saved him and his house*hold from that awesome calamity; [69]
26:116 (Asad) Said they: “Indeed, if thou desist not, O noah, thou wilt surely be stoned to death!” [51]
29:14 (Asad) And, indeed, [in times long past] We sent forth noah unto his people, [11] and he dwelt among them a thousand years bar fifty; [12] and then the floods over*whelmed them while they were still lost in evildoing:
40:5 (Asad) to the truth gave the lie, before their time, the people of noah and, after them, all those [others] who were leagued together [against God’s message-bearers]; [2] and each of those com*munities schemed against the apostle sent unto them, [3] aiming to lay hands on him; and they contended [against his message] with fallacious arguments, so as to render void the truth thereby: but then I took them to task - and how awesome was My retribution!
54:9 (Asad) [LONG] BEFORE those [who now deny resurrec*tion] did noah’s people call it a lie; and they gave the lie to Our servant and said, “Mad is he!” - and he was repulsed. [6]
66:10 (Asad) For those who are bent on denying the truth God has propounded a parable in [the stories of] noah's wife and Lot's wife: they were wedded to two of Our righteous servants, and each one betrayed her husband; [21] and neither of the two [husbands] will be of any avail to these two women when they are told [on Judgment Day], "Enter the fire with all those [other sinners] who enter it!" [22]
71:1 (Asad) BEHOLD. We sent noah unto his people. [saying:] "Warn thy people ere grievous suffering befall them!
71:5 (Asad) [And after a time, noah] said: "O my Sustainer! Verily, I have been calling unto my people night and day
71:21 (Asad) [And] noah continued: "O my Sustainer! Behold, they have opposed me [throughout], for they follow people whose wealth and children lead them increasingly into ruin, [13]
71:26 (Asad) And noah prayed: "O my Sustainer! Leave not on earth any of those who deny the truth:
They quickly be on the defensive, using their children to say they are innocent, well why are they bringing up caring about their children-what have they showed them? Not to worship Allah, don’t pray, fast, give thanks for their food etc. They even are being lewd in front of their children-and then claim they are being more kinder! Well see the above verses from the Quran, Allah just didn’t spare the children, we don’t care as they would have made it to paradise, while their parents are going to hell. Why should a Muslim care when people go to paradise, the children were not separated from their parents when the flood overtook them etc. If they claim to be kinder why are they feeding their children pork? In Islam children don’t belong to us, they are entrusted onto us,
Now if you went to paradise and there were beautiful children running around, and lets say you wanted to look after one-is it not disgusting to give them pork to eat? Its also inappropriate to take them from heaven to this earth and then walk around indecently in front of them. The females are showing themselves naked in front of children at beaches etc, sharing the same pool-and they claim to be kind. They dare to criticise people who don’t care about their people being destroyed. Note we have been kind to their children, as we have not disrespected them, and talk about Allah!
I see liars, and when people say they should just pray to Allah about them-why would it be accepted when they are in clear wrong??? Homosexuality etc, they rather have a gay parade in Jerusalem but rather stop Muslims living there! When did the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him pray for homosexuals??
They use the word kindness, Muslims have already been don't they see this? The majority have been patient, and even when non-Muslims have visited Muslim countries they have said they were welcomed.
We have already been kind to them -by telling them that if they don't repent they will go to hell! This is nothing different to what Muslims say to another Muslim, its is no different to what we teach our children, it is no different to what the Prophets have said and of course no different to what Allah has said-and he is Merciful and compassionate.
If somebody told you not to touch something because you will be burned-that's a kind thing-and that's what Islam has been doing -telling people not to go to hell as its a terrible place! How can anyone else claim to be kinder when they are not warning people of this? When if people join them they end up going to hell. They have been warned and they are not repenting, they are treating this as a political issue, were they are expecting to recover from this war and live side by side with the Muslims-we Muslims don’t have to think about this, its not going to happen, its not our doing, this world is run by religion, they can’t just forget what they are taught and carry on after rejecting Islam. They could not just reject Prophet Noah, Lut peace be upon him and continue to live in their sinful ways. After all they have done, yes I pray that sinners be destroyed! There is nothing wrong with praying for evil people to be destroyed and I don’t care about dying with them either-better to die with them then live with them. They have not left one country alone for people to be ok -even Allah has said they claim to be peaceful but they go around causing trouble around the world.
If anyone has a problem with this then tell me that Allah is going to let the US, UK ,Belgium etc countries continue. As soon as these countries collapse -so will Saudi Arabia etc as there aren’t businesses running today-please see the Major signs of the Day of Judgement thread. I have said that even if my whole year is rubbish, and there is so much evil in this world, its worthwhile hearing that one person has repented and not going to hell. But the sinners claim kindness belongs to them because they allow people to continue with their sin. Even the people at the time of Prophet Lut peace be upon him that he is one telling us to be good-and they wanted to get rid of him, they threw Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him into the fire-for just telling them to repent, there is reference to the Prophet Noah peace be upon him being treated unkindly-and all of the came with a message to repent to Allah! They were not being violent (I am against terrorist activities-just believe that Allah will destroy these countires), They west is doing the exact same thing as these non-believers in the past=-get rid of people who talk about Islam-go against indecent behaviour, so they can continue to live in sin-there is nothing about freedom-it has always been about being in open sin.
Again if people disagree then pray to Allah for him not to destroy US, UK etc. Also say they believe that Allah is going to let them continue! Do not lie about kindness, when this message has not been changed, rather that people just don’t talk about it in the west and then think its not about being kind-when actually it is about being told to save yourself from hell, the same message that all the Prophets have given.
NOTE THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT WHETHER YOU ACCEPT ISLAM OR NOT-ITS SIMPLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT SINNERS BEING DESTROYED IS ACCEPTABLE IN ISLAM! THE KINDNESS PROVIDED FROM ALLAH, AND TAUGHT BY ALL THE PROPHETS HAS BEEN ABOUT TELLING PEOPLE TO SAVE THEMSELVES FROM HELL. ACCEPTING SINNERS BEHAVIOUR IS NOT AN ACT OF KINDNESS.
People are being critical of Muslims when we don't care that sinners will be destroyed! I am not praying for guidance for indecent people going out to nightclubs, pubs etc, its a joke, after all they have already received guidance, heard about Islam, seen natural disasters, even a volcano erupting in the US recently while they were murdering Muslims.
We don't care when sinners are destroyed ? NO... we are supposed to care for all who are misguided and YES we need to pray for those who are misguided!
Narrated Ibn Masud (r.a) : As if i saw Prophet (saw) talking about one of the Prophets whose nation had beaten him, and caused him to bleed, while he was cleaning the blood of his face, he was saying "Oh Allah forgive my nation for they have no knowledge." (Sahih Al Bukhari)
Even Muhammad (Saw) prayed for those illeterate bedouins who used to rough him up somtimes and were not guided. If you are not praying, dont, but dont try to teach wrong about Islam... and what Makes you say such ...
after all they have already received guidance,
how do you know ALL Non Muslims have received Guidance ?? There are so many around the World who havent understood the Message of Islam, hearing about Islam or the word Muslim or Islam is different...understanding the message thoroughly is different!
Some people have been saying that we can't say that people are being punished when a natural disaster strikes. They are going as far as saying we can't say that when the sinners are destroyed its a good thing! But its OK for them to say to kill Muslims abroad is OK.
".. for all shall be judged according to their conscious deeds - and your Sustainer in NOT unaware of what they do."(6:132)
Many innocent people get killed when Allah (Swt) punishes nations, but that does NOT mean they all were sinners... there were many among them who were not....
They are forgetting that Allah himself will be destoying them! Are people going to be saying that this is wrong?? If they want to criticise what I'm saying then are they saying that Allah is going to let the US, UK etc continue?? Allah has taught us that when people are being sinful, they are destroyed.
oh ok.. so now your going to be putting words in our Mouths... if we don't agree then it could mean what you have said and not anything else ? what are you doing...
The Christians have clearly changed religion and that has made the people's impression on religion change! No Prophet went around kissing and hugging people telling them that Allah loves them! Prophet Lut peace be upon him did not go around saying to the homosexuals that Allah loves them! He told them if they don't repent they will be destroyed.
ok seriously... this "Sister" does NOT know any thing about Islam.. and i have said it on the Board... please read these Verses Carefully...
(11:74) And when the fear had left Abraham, and the glad tidings had been conveyed to him, he began to plead with Us for Lot's people.
(11:75) For behold Abraham was most clement, most tender hearted, intent upon turning to God again and again.
These Verses clearly show how a Prophet would react on hearing the news of Destruction of the city of evil folks (i.e Sodom and Gomorrah) and she says No Prophet Prophet was ever concerned... and previously she said Muslims shouldn't care sinners are destroyed.... she is trying to change the way of Muslims dealing with Misguided people... her way is wrong...
and she only quotes those Verses which support her view... Islam forbids such practice of using Quran for ones benefit...
Why should a Muslim care when people go to paradise, the children were not separated from their parents when the flood overtook them etc. If they claim to be kinder why are they feeding their children pork? In Islam children don’t belong to us, they are entrusted onto us,
What do you mean by this ? No Human belongs to any Human all belong to God, but there is emotional attachment between parents and children which makes them feel that they belong to each other and that is the effect of love and care.... your twisting words again!
After all they have done, yes I pray that sinners be destroyed! There is nothing wrong with praying for evil people to be destroyed and I don’t care about dying with them either-better to die with them then live with them. They have not left one country alone for people to be ok -even Allah has said they claim to be peaceful but they go around causing trouble around the world.
i would like to mention the story of Prophet Yunus (Jonah).... it is said in the Quran...
(21:87) ...he went off in wrath.."
...his nation repented and accepted Allah's message while Jonah repented for his actions because of leaving them or telling them that they will be destroyed prior to the Punishment of Allah... which he accepted and repented to Allah (swt).... and praying for some ones destruction is not the way of Islam...
Even the people at the time of Prophet Lut peace be upon him that he is one telling us to be good-and they wanted to get rid of him, they threw Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him into the fire-for just telling them to repent
Abaraham (a.s) was thrown in fire by tyrant ruler named Nimrod.... this has nothing to do with Lut (a.s) people... you are mixing stories now... seriously!
ITS SIMPLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT SINNERS BEING DESTROYED IS ACCEPTABLE IN ISLAM! THE KINDNESS PROVIDED FROM ALLAH, AND TAUGHT BY ALL THE PROPHETS HAS BEEN ABOUT TELLING PEOPLE TO SAVE THEMSELVES FROM HELL. ACCEPTING SINNERS BEHAVIOUR IS NOT AN ACT OF KINDNESS.
ok this is all that i agree to.... but an advise for you... please learn Islam before you start preaching... you don't know any thing about Islam and you are posting all over the Board about Islam, which is not....Your Topic says... "good job" to sinners being destroyed! no its not a Good job...
I should have done this initially, I have decided to copy and paste my replies from this "Sinners being destoyed and a good job too!" on this thread. Again, its only really for reference only.
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Then go an pray to Allah if you think the sinners need to have anything else from Allah to help them to repent, maybe continue with the war on terror a bit more so they can talk about Islam, whilst they getting ready for their nights out getting drunk etc. Also it is wrong to say I am being harsh-its perfectly acceptable to say that sinners will be destroyed. As that's what Allah has taught us.
So it proves my point that people have made it unacceptable-just like people don't find it normal to talk about the Day of Judgement.
Are you going to say that when the homosexuals are killed that it is too harsh? Are you going to say that when a person kills a believer, the punishment for this is too harsh? Are you going to say that to Allah, that he is being too harsh on the sinners on the Day of Judgement. Are you going to say that when the Prophets told the people to worship Allah or else they will be destoyed were too harsh? Are you going to say the people amongst them that died as unbelievers yesterday, last week, last year who are on the way to hell -have been treated harshly?
As I've explained we have lived with them, being tolerant of them etc, we are not harsh-they have been taught about Islam, we have been kind to them.
Again if you just think its too harsh then go ahread and pray to Allah to have the sinners kept safe.
Post 7
A response I would have expected from unbelievers, I have not committed adultery, been lewd, drank alcohol, or killed anyone and don't plan to, I'm not into gossip etc Well even if a person has sinned, that does not mean they support the sinful people. They enjoin good and forbid evil. Just because if they were lewd in the past that does not mean they can't say anything against it as Allah tells people to be Muslims to enjoin good and forbid evil. It is not for a person who has repented to agree with sins and make excuses for why people commit sins, when its obviously wrong-would you be calling the punishment for adultery harsh in Islam? The Muslims fought against the sinners at the time of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him there past sins did not stop them from enjoining good and forbiding evil. Is it normal for people to ask of the Prophets if they have ever sinned -when they told people to stop sinning?? The message was given to us all by Allah, I can repeat it as many times as I like, were even people recite verses from the Quran regularly. Should they be told to stop reciting it unless they have never commited a sin?
We have plenty of examples were people sinned and have gone against their sinful way of life and telling people not to do what they have done.
Evil does not eclipse the sun, an evil act should not stop anyone in good conduct, and going against evil behaviour. Their past sins should not stop them from standing strong as righteous people, and being responsbile, mature Men and Women.
The sinners are criticising the Muslims and not their own people, and now the Muslims are joining in criticising other Muslims-when the sinners do not side with the Muslims. To be strong as Muslims, to help us go through the major signs of the Day of Judgement and importantly not to stand with the sinners on the Day of Judgement.
Post 17
I've already written a thread -talking as unbelievers do in the comparative section. Which explains I don't need to wait till the Day of Judgement to find out what Allah will be saying of drunkards, lewd people etc. Allah has already taught us what's right, and I can repeat the message as many times as I like! It was never acceptable to drink, Prophet Jesus peace be upon him did not drink nor got drunk (texts being changed to make it acceptable), nor does it fit that he would have eaten pork. So its OK for people to be effected by sinners and I just ignore it all? As long as they are not effecting me? Like those children being adopted by homosexuals? That's called being selfish if I can only sit there caring about myself in the midst of so much evil.
Post 19
Evil is everywhere around the world, I don't have a problem dying with them, but you are quoting people from the past-yes people have the same test as they have had today and then -so what are you saying that they need more from Allah to help them to repent in the US for example?
In the US, they have attacked how many Muslims and other countries? They have heard about Islam, they have received so much food, water, clothing etc, they have seen so many natural disasters-we have already been kind to them-we have lived with them without being nasty to them etc, majority of non-believers cannot say that any Muslim have approached them and effected their life!
Allah has already shown them plenty and they are still rejecting the truth-so what do you believe that Allah is going to do- let them live in peace for longer and provide for them longer in this world? Allah is still going to provide them with food etc, even though they clear rejecters of the truth?
Post 20
An unbeliever trying to use religion to stop a person from talking about religion!!! Every single Prophet has gone against lewd behaviour including Prophet Jesus peace be upon him!
Prophet Lut peace be upon him told people not to go into homosexualaity-if they don't stop they will be destroyed-he gave this message so many more time then I have spoken about it-are you going to say he is obsessed??
I will continue to criticise evil-so long as they continue to do their lewd behaviour I will not be quiet over the issue! Islam is strong! Homosexuals are not! Islam is not going to be like Christianity who most of them have ceased openly criticising lewd behaviour-while they the lewds continue openly talking the loudest in their society!
Post 28
Why are you criticising me personally -when I am talking about what Allah has said about sinners and at the time of Prophet Noah peace be upon them, what I have clearly said is that we have been tolerant-we have not effected their way of living! They have been taught about Islam and Allah has provided many of his signs-what you are referring to the Prophet Moses peace be upon him has already happened to these people-can't you see that they have already been advised about Islam! They have already been taught about Islam and Allah himself has allowed them to see disasters and still live in relative comfort! Being kind and teaching them about Islam has already happened!
All people are saying to the Muslims you have to be kind in your approach-well again we have been! -but please read my other thread on Islam-why its a simple test and the Day of Judgement thread both on the General section, if you need to reply to this post as it covers them being tested, having a fair test and why there countries are collapsing going towards the major signs of the Day of Judgement (on the Day of Judgement thread). So then you will see that the kind approach has already happened-you can't say that people who died in Western countries yesterday did not receive a fair test, or the ones that died last year. People have already been taught about Islam-and too many people are underestimating this, and then thinking they should all be treated like if they never heard about Islam.
But please read those two other posts-which I agree that they have been taught so much and shown much by Allah. Which is why this thread covers why its not unkind to say they are being destroyed. No one is going to say for example that people in the UK need anything else to help them repent.
Post 37
Thanks, Allah has already provided so much and I'm not going to treat them like if they never had anything from Allah-I will not be praying for lewd people, homosexuals etc. I firmly believe that Allah provides a fair test. The point is they have already received guidance-this is what has been happening all these years. But I have prayed that anyone who is going to repent for them to repent now before they die as unbelievers, people keep on saying pray for guidance-they keep belittling the fact that they have been recieving guidance all their lives-the are good enough to be tested by Allah do I don't treat them like if they are stupid etc. So I'm not going to fall into their mentality of saying they have not received anything from Allah. Neither will any of these disbelievers say on the Day of Judgement that they received nothing in 2009, 2008 etc.
Post 38
Thanks, I can safely say that I've spent more time correcting people then praying for their destruction. Also I keep on looking at what Allah has provided them with, which to me is overwhelming, so its not just about what they hear from Muslims. Allah himself has provided so much, and I think alot of Muslims are forgetting this when they say they need guidance-well this is what all these years have certainly about. We are not starting from the beginning with these people and talk to them like if they never heard about Islam. So that is were I asked them-what more do you think UK, US etc needs to help people repent-the guidance they have been provided has not just been exact to their requirements or going below their level of understanding it has overflowed with how much Allah has provided them-not by a little so if all they needed to be provided with was a jug of water -the right quantitiy-but Allah has provided this and given so many more times over. The signs are in everywhere -of course Allah has provided them with so much.
Its just that I don't treat them as stupid-I see people who are good enough to be created by Allah and be judged on the Day of Judgement-this is reflected on how I talk to them! I can't mentally treat them like if they need more help, because then mentally I would be thinking that Allah has not provided them with guidance-which of course would be untrue. That of course does not stop me from talking about Islam, but I am treating them with respect because I am not treating them like if they don't know anything or if they are stupid, or obviously that Allah has not provided them with guidance. Also this thread is not about the good people themselves thinking that we will be saved, because we always ask Allah for forgiveness even if we have not done anything wrong.
Post 53
As I've said if you read my post, that Allah himself has given everyone a fair test in this world, -so what are you saying they need something else to help them repent-again too many people are underestimating what these unbelievers understand-your the one who treats them like if they are stupid-and the difference is I don't.
So for example are you saying that a person who was drinking and died last year did not have a fair test? Are you saying the people wasting away on drugs and died last year did not have a fair test? Well I am not -I believe absolutely they have been given a fair test -and its people like you who are saying we have to treat them like if they don't know anything.
1. A person who drinks is aware that there are Muslims who don't-which one are they going to say is a better lifestyle? Of course the Muslims
2. A person having different partners and not getting married-is aware that Muslims do not go into this-which one is this person going to say is a better lifestyle? The Muslims.
3. A person taking drugs is aware that there are Muslims who are against this -which one are they going to say is better? The Muslims
4. An indecent female is aware of the modesty of Muslim women -which one are they going to say is better? The Muslim women.
If anyone disagrees with the above then wait till the sinners confirm this on the Day of Judgement. So there actions are not misguided and every single person who commits a wrong doing already know its not a good thing! Even if they are not raised as a Muslim they know that adultery is wrong etc. I've already covered drinking etc in the Islam a simple test for everyone thread.
You mention teaching them about Islam-well wakeup this is what has already happened all of these years! We are not starting from the beginning with these people, of course I'm not going to pray for people who spent their time just visiting nightclubs while this war on terror was happening etc.
They don't need anything else from Allah to help them repent-if you say that then you are saying that Allah is not providing a fair test? These people are good enough to be judged by Allah himself on the Day of Judgement-why then are you saying they don't know much?? As no disbeliever will say that on the Day of Judgement-if you chose today's date and went up to any sinner on the Day of Judgement they will all agree that they have been provided a fair test today, in 2009, 2008 2007 etc.
Then go ahead and pray to Allah-what will you pray to him for? What more do people need from Allah to help them repent?? If your going to answer this post please read on my other two threads-Islam :Why its a simple test and the Day of Judgement thread (not the Major signs of the Day of Judgement thread-but you can read that one too). Which covers why these people have received ample guidance and why they are not stupid.
Post 54
Please read my other threads on Islam a simple test and the Day of Judgement thread if your going to answer this post.
What are you saying that the sinners who died yesterday, last week needed something else to help them repent? Of course a Muslim would never stop talking about religion, but yes the countries don't have long and will be destroyed.
Also are you saying that Allah has not provided a fair test?? Please read on my other two threads , the difference is clear, people are treating the unbelievers like if they are stupid-well they are not and ask any sinner on the Day of Judgement and they all will agree that they have been having a fair test from Allah-it is this people are underestimating.
Then go an pray to Allah to give them more-and what more do the sinners need to help them to repent? Are you again saying that all the westernised people for example who died last year, needed something else from Allah to help the repent?? Then if this is the case then Allah would not have allowed them to die and kept them in this world longer.
Post 55
Prophet Noah, Lut peace be upon them were right as all of the other Prophets to say that if people don't repent they will be destroyed. What is it that you think Islam is teaching us that sinners will survive-is that what you think is written in the Quran?
Post 59
It is not about being stereotypical , I am using them as examples as they rather criticise the Muslims and have made the homosexuals more acceptable then Muslims in their society etc. Be critical of a woman's dress code rather then the rubbish clothes their females wear etc.
Post 61
See you on the Day of Judgement, we are happy to see people repent and save themselves from hell-but what do you think Allah is going to allow people to continue, he has already destroyed nations in the past and its happening right now. Nowhere has Allah said that sinners would continue.
Post 79
I am not arrogant, I'm a straightforward person, an arrogant person would not bother being fed up with sinners, they would be laughing at them. It is not about knowing about the unseen-but what is written in the Quran, Allah would not throw someone into hell for an eternity unless he had a very good reason as he is just. I am not just using any words-what I have said is taught to us by Allah the only difference that people are having is that they seem to think that sinful people don't know anything about Islam-which contradicts Islam teaching as Allah always judges everyone fairly on the Day of Judgement which means they are not stupid.
We Muslims have absolutely been tolerant of the non-Muslims and the majority of them cannot say we have effected their lives. But I hope you read my threads as they are relevant, I am certainly not changing what Islam says, as obviously what I have mentioned is that Allah is Merciful and Compassionate, and so many people have died in a state of unbelief-but no one can say they have not been given a fair test as that contradicts what Allah has taught us that he is a Just ruler.
Everyone who has committed a sin, know they have done wrong, whether it was stealing etc, you didn't have to be raised as a Muslim to realise this. People are treating people like if they don't know much, which again is what I have said I look at people around me, and I rememeber that Allah will be judging them personally on the Day of Judgement-so they are not dumb, of course they know what is required of them to be a good person. If I was being arrogant, I would call them stupid-but I am not, I am saying they are receiving a fair test from Allah, and they are capable of being judged by Allah on the Day of Judgement then they are not weak etc. Also no sinful person will be saying on the Day of Judgement that they have not received a fair test-again Allah would not throw someone to hell for eternity if they did not have a fair test. Please read the thread, before replying to this post if you need to.
Post 86
Yes and I have said we Muslims have already been kind to the non-Muslims-that's what we have been doing all these years! While they have been hearing about Islam all these years they actually increased in their sinful behaviour. Allah has taught us that sinful people will be destroyed, if you are saying they need more time to repent, then go ahead and pray to Allah for them to receive this. Please read on my other two threads if you like to reply to this post.
We are not going to be sitting with sinful behaviour longer-they have already been taught about Islam while they were killing so many people around the world. They even acted like people in the past, did not Pharoah torture? Have not the Americans etc tortured people. Have they not rejected Islam-what more do they need from Allah?? More food?? More water?? What more do they need -to bomb Muslims so we can discuss Islam with them all over again?? Shall we talk about Islam with them like if they never heard about it before??
Simply pray to Allah for their countries to continue if you think they need something else from Allah to help them be good. As I cannot find anything else that they need.
Post 90
Natural disasters only happen to punish people and warn the rest, evey single natural disaster that a person has seen or heard in this world, its written on their records. The 2004 tsunami, other earthquakes are written on my record too, so a person will be tiold they have no excuse as they were warned.
Also please read on Islam:Why its a simple test thread and the Day of Judgement thread, as what you are saying is wrong -Allah provides a fair test to everyone, as I said so many unbelievers have already been taken away from westernised countries to their deaths and they have received a fair test. It does not matter if they were not raised as a Muslim, every single person who has committed a sin, knows that it is wrong. Even with pork it was banned in the bible.
If you went upto any sinner on the Day of Judgement they will all agree that they have received a fair test from Allah-quote this year, quote the last year.
Also a lot of Muslims are underestimating what the unbelievers understand-they know what is required of them to be good-again question them on the Day of Judgement. People seem to be also underestimating these past years on what has been shown to these people-so please read the threads and then reply to this post if you like to.
Post 94
Allah also quotes the major sins, also there is only one hell-we are not going to stand there on the Day of Judgement differentiating between sinful people as again they will be thrown into hell together. Exemption is for people who worship the one God and remember the Day of Judgement, and yes I have prayed to Allah that anyone who is going to repent that by Allah's will they will, as of course we are not just going to sit here a long time with them talking about Islam -of course they are being destroyed-please see my other threads on the Day of Judgement and Islam:Why its a simple test.
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