Islam has copied (say the Christians and the Jews)

**h-n** · 07-20-2010

Islam the only religion

All the Prophets were Muslims,

they all worshipped the one God,

remembered the Day of Judgement, believed in Paradise and Hell,

Sacrificed animals

Fasted

Bowed down in prayer (which even Prophet Jesus peace be upon him had done).

AS stated in the "Collapse of these countries" thread

Allah always sends a Prophet to convey the message, all the messages are the same to worship the one God, remember the Day of Judgement and in Paradise and Hell.

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was sent, as obviously Christianity could not tell the Arabs to repent as they were committing idol worship and the Jews were not remembering the next world. Actually they were happy to live with idol worshippers, they did not tell idol worshippers to repent.

1. The Christians/Jews say that we have copied off their texts, when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was illiterate, and NO ONE at the time accused him of copying off the Jews and the Christians.

2. Why shouldn't Allah tell us of the stories of the Prophets Ibrahim, Noah, Lut peace be upon them etc? They belong to him. Why are the Christians complaining anyway, they are committing idol worship. Even Allah has said the best people to lay clam to Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him are the ones that follow after him more;-

-we worship the one God, remember the Day of Judgement and Paradise and Hell (which the Christians are committing idol worship and the Jews are leaving out Hell)

-we sacrifice as he did,

-we fast,

- the Kaaba in Mecca is actually built by Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him.

3. Also how did we get the story of King Solomon peace be upon him controlling the winds and the Jinn? As this was now recently found out to be left out of the bible.

4. Obviously if it was left to the Christians and the Jews, they would never have succeeded in finishing idol worship and lewd and drunk behaviour in the middle east. Actually they had plenty of time to prove themselves, so why did they not sort out idol worship before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him had arrived? They cannot say that we copied off them, as we would never have been successful in sorting out idol worship.

5. Islam is doing what Christianity and Judaism could not do, tell people to worship the one God, remember the Day of Judgement, in Paradise and Hell. They are not going to get a Prophet now, Prophet Jesus peace be upon him will only be coming AFTER these countries have finished (which even the Christians have agreed to).

Islam has been sufficient to teach the whole world, even the Christians have accepted that "God" has been talked about more because of Islam. They are responding back to Muslims as people used to do aforetime, by torturing, and even the masses at the time of Pharoah turned a blind eye, and even though the public knew that Bush supported torture, they still voted for him etc.

6. If Islam was not in this world, its not hard to see that the Christians and the Jews would have failed talking about Allah, remembering the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell. They would have just build more holiday resorts in the Middle East etc. So Islam is successful.

7. People can argue why Islam is successful is because we had supported the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. But the

- Christians failed to protect the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him when they tried to kill him. As they were more afraid of the authorities then Allah. Even though he did a lot for people, and created a bird out of clay and by Allah's permission it came alive. People were still more afraid of -the authorities.

At least if they Muslims were there, we would have fought for Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, and he will be having our support when he comes back.

-the Jews were treating the Prophets to help them live in this world, and did on their own records irritated the Prophet Moses peace be upon him. They even after all that Allah had done for them, took to worshipping the cow idol. They are blaming Prophet Aaron peace be upon him, just to try and make themselves look better. But the fact is he never told people to worship the cow idol, as stated in the Quran. Also there is no excuse to idol worship. It was a sinful act. They even told the Prophet Moses peace be upon him to fight for them so they could enter the town so he left them to wander. Even they treated King David peace be upon him poorly as they tried to oust him as leader.

8. All the Prophets submitted to Allah's will, they never changed the message of Allah. Which clearly the Christians and the Jews have done;-

-Why are not the Christians worshipping the one God? As did Prophet Noah, Lut, David, Jesus, Solomon peace be upon them etc

-Why are not the Jews mentioning Hell? As did Prophets Noah, Lut, David, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Solomon peace be upon them etc

-Why aren't they all sacrificing animals (the Jews say they will later on, but still it makes what they are eating today unlawful)

-The Jews said they are to test Prophets (which is a terrible thing to say as they are the best), who are they to test Prophets? If that is the case why don't they tell everyone how they tested Prophet Moses peace be upon him? How did they test King David peace be upon him etc

-the Jews are willing to accept females to be "Prophetesses" ie Sarah. But they have a hard time accepting Prophets Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon him? What did she do anyway preach the message? No.

9. We Muslims as above are following after the Prophets and the Jews and the Christians have corrupted themselves. We are closer to all the Prophets then they will ever be for their idol worship and rejecting Hell and holding on to the life of this world.

10. Miracles they ask for, they say they will only believe if a Prophet has performed a miracle, if that was the case then why are they corrupt??? Why are they not all believers then, and now?? If miracles truly worked, then why did they take the cow idol to worship when Prophet Moses peace be upon him was away? After the parting of the red sea, the plagues of Egypt??

The magicians at Pharoah's court did a better job then the Jews who took to cow idol worship. The magicians feared Allah and did not beg Pharaoh for leniency, they stood their ground and had their hands and feet chopped off from alternative sides, and made it to Paradise.

The Jews treat their test of endurance, when actually they were to repent as they had been clearly been treating Prophets poorly.

11. The Christians claim that the Prophets are Christians when;-

Prophet Noah peace be upon him would NOT be accepting the Christians for their idol worship,

Prophet Moses peace be upon him would NOT be accepting the Christians for their idol worship. etc

**YusufNoor** · 10-08-2010

Originally Posted by titus

Much of History is hearsay, you are corrrect. I have a degree in History and I know that the writings of Herodotus, Livy (Titus Livius, who I get my board name from), Plutarch and others are merely books of rumors and out and out fabrications. I don't rely on them to be truthful because they are stories passed down generations later. Most likely they contain a mix of truth and fiction.

The same goes with Hadith. The same goes with the Bible.

Scholars have had to debate which Hadith are authentic and which aren't, and even this science can easily get it wrong, as a true Hadith can be dismissed because the scholars didn't believe them enough. As I have already mentioned you also have different Muslims that believe different Hadith, which shows that part of this "science" is simply opinion.

So what percentage, roughly, of hadith were written down when they happened? Or when Muhammad was still alive?

i just wanted to address one point. there is NO difference of opinion "among Muslims!" Shiia use different hadeeth because they are misguided. Shiism is NOT, REPEAT NOT ISLAM! PERIOD!

peace

**Insaanah** · 10-08-2010

Originally Posted by titus

I know that the writings of Herodotus, Livy (Titus Livius, who I get my board name from), Plutarch and others are merely books of rumors and out and out fabrications. I don't rely on them to be truthful because they are stories passed down generations later.

Which, as I have demonstrated in my posts, ahadeeth aren't.

Originally Posted by titus

Most likely they contain a mix of truth and fiction.

Your stories most likely do.

Originally Posted by titus

The same goes with the Bible.

Possibly. Some parts of the Bible are of unknown authorship.

Originally Posted by titus

The same goes with Hadith.

No it doesn't. Please show me an accepted hadeeth of unknown narration.

Originally Posted by titus

As I have already mentioned you also have different Muslims that believe different Hadith, which shows that part of this "science" is simply opinion.

Different Christians believe in different versions of the bible. The Bible must be simply opinion. However, regardless, that has no bearing on the ahadeeth. Whether you like it or not, which you clearly don't, and whether you accept it or not, which you clearly won't, there is no other literature of that era that has undergone such checking for accuracy, validation, scrutiny and with complete traceability.

Originally Posted by Insaanah

I would strongly advise you to study hadeeth carefully before passing uninformed comment, as you have done in this post and the last.

And you are still insisting on doing.

Originally Posted by titus

An unbiased person cannot help but scoff at the accuracy of such parts of a religion.

You need to show that you have the capability to actually open your mind, be willing to learn, and actually rid yourself of your current bias, otherwise you will never be able to learn, and that is sad indeed.

Peace.