Numbers 6:3 - he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink: he shall drink no vinegar of wine, nor vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat grapes, fresh or dried.
this doesn't even say anything about moderate drinking
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Numbers 6:3 - he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink: he shall drink no vinegar of wine, nor vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat grapes, fresh or dried.
this doesn't even say anything about moderate drinking
This one is as clear as daylight! Jazak Allah kheir!
Numbers 6:3 - he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink: he shall drink no vinegar of wine, nor vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat grapes, fresh or dried.
Muslims drink alcohol too. We do not wanna say that only christians do, but the problem is, christians claim that there is no alcohol and pork prohibition in the bible. We're humans, and we're always gonna fail, but we should try our best to live according to our belief otherwise we're gonna believe according to the way we live and that's the exact thing in christianity.
Funny how some Christians give out their own theories just like that. One Christian says the law was directed for the Jews. Another says it was abrogated. Another says pigs had diseases at that time... Make a choice please. Once two ladies visited my house and asked me if I believe that the Bible is the word of God. I told her politely no, because it's been altered and corrupted by men. Then she showed me some verses of the Bible. I told her I don't believe that God would change his mind. God is All-knowing, All-wise. Then I asked her if she follows both the OT and the NT. She answered affirmatively and I praised her for that. If my memory serves me right I asked her if she wears a scarf? and I asked her why do Christians eat pork? I told her eating pork is prohibited in the Bible. She began to wonder and asked the lady behind her if she knows something about this. I doubt she had studied this matter but she tried to give me an explanation anyway. I was wondering is it so easy to speak about God without knowledge? SubhaanAllah !
Last edited by Asiyah3; 07-30-2010 at 12:21 AM.
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it doesn't it refer it to one person, it refers it to everyone that follows it.
Numbers 6 is about a special vow of holiness that Israelites could make. Here are verses 1 to 4:
The LORD said to Moses, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man or woman wants to make a special vow, a vow of separation to the LORD as a Nazirite, he must abstain from wine and other fermented drink and must not drink vinegar made from wine or from other fermented drink. He must not drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins. As long as he is a Nazirite, he must not eat anything that comes from the grapevine, not even the seeds or skins.
So "he" refers to an Israelite who has made the special vow of the Nazarite, not all people. What's more, the passage also speaks of abstinence from the consumption of anything that comes from the grapevine to such persons. So even if this verse could be interpreted as a universal prohibition, the eating and drink of all grape-related products (including vinegar, grape juice, grapes and raisins) would also be univerally prohibited. Is that your interpretation?
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."
[Proverbs 20:1]
"And be not drunk with wine."
[Ephesians 5:18]
Alcohol is prohibited in both, christianity and islam and do not get any ideas that one of the Prophets drank alcohol, since this is foolish and baseless.
Both verses prohibit drunkenness, not drinking alcohol in general (I quoted Ephesians 5:18 in my first post). Proverbs 20:1 warns against drinking to such an extent that it causes you to mock and brawl. Drinking in moderation, then, by this definition, mean drinking that does not lead to such things. Psalm 104:15 says that God has made wine to "gladden the heart of men", not to make them rude or quarrelsome.
1) how do you see drinking (alcohol) as a behavior?
2) what do you think about a drinking prophet ?
3) what do you think about a drinking G-d ?
Christians believe that everything that YHWH has created is intrinsically good. As I noted in my reply to Brasco, Psalm 114 shows that wine is part of his good creation, and like all of YHWH's gift of creation is to be used wisely. Just as we should eat in moderation, we should also drink in moderation. Eating and drinking are YHWH's gifts to be enjoyed together in the celebration of the goodness of YHWH and His creation (especially the company of others!) and to remember the way YHWH has blessed the world (significantly the love demonstrated by Jesus through his life and death). Jesus loved such occasions, which he shared with everyone from tax collectors to prostitutes as part of celebrating the good news of the breaking in of YHWH's Kingdom.
So drinking in moderation is a good thing, for us, for Prophets, even for Jesus, YHWH in the flesh, because YHWH has created all things to be good and to be used wisely. YHWH is glorified when His goodness and the goodness of His creation and blessings are celebrated and enjoyed in community.
O dear Christian, you're funny lol if you want to, you could abstain from food lol if one eats food excessively, then it's prohibited But we are talking about more ill-effects than obesity. Being drunk (may) also harm(s) other people in your environment.
The Torah never says alcohol is forbidden. It's only forbidden to be drunk when entering the temple to make a sacrifice. But there were certain Jews called Nazerites who took a special religious oath not to drink wine, not to cut their hair, not to shave their beards, and a bunch of other things. Samson was one of those people. Delilah cut his hair when he was sleeping and that ultimately resulted in Samson's death.
O dear Christian, you're funny lol if you want to, you could abstain from food lol if one eats food excessively, then it's prohibited But we are talking about more ill-effects than obesity. Being drunk (may) also harm(s) other people in your environment.
Why is it not the same with alcohol? Why cannot one drink alcohol in moderation the same way that food can be eaten in moderation? Eating food excessively can equally harm others.
Why is it not the same with alcohol? Why cannot one drink alcohol in moderation the same way that food can be eaten in moderation? Eating food excessively can equally harm others.
The harmful effects of alcohol are well-known. In no way can it be compared with eating food.
The article contains many excellent examples of excessive drinking. Both alcohol and food can be consumed excessively, and the harmful effects of over-eating are equally well-known. Is that not a valid comparison?
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and that's the exact thing in christianity.
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