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    The problem I see with man made laws and systems and constitutions is that they can be changed taken away added to edited and are all the time for example Congress or Parliament may raise taxes this year than lower or cut taxes the next year I just think Capitalism and Socialism are inferior does anyone agree ?

    http://www.islam101.com/rights/hrM1.htm

    6. Men make laws to suit their own needs. Suppose members of parliament want to decrease the rate of tax on rich, they would do so, even if the majority of the people suffered and there was high unemployment in the country.

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    Re: Im on a diet do you think drinking more ice or iced Water would help me lose weig

    format_quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    Im on a diet do you think drinking more ice or iced Water would help me lose weight ?
    Salaam,

    I'm not sure. Diets are not going to help you in the long-term. You should consider eating healthy on a regular basis. Try to make some small lifestyle changes as well, like replacing unhealthy food with something healthier.
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    Question I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

    I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people I want to make Friends with Muslims and socialize but I am a shy person I would love to go to my local Mosque and learn I have Asperger Syndrome and am viewed as Disabled or Handicapped by the State I want to know how a handicapped/disabled person is viewed in Islam I am a White Male with some American Indian/Native American Anestry not that my Anestry matters I am 23 years old and I tried being a Christian but Christianity is too hard to believe and Judaism is not right for me since the Jews reject Prophet/Messiah Jesus peace be upon him and Prophet/Messenger Muhammad peace be upon him what should I do ?
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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

    Salaam brother,

    Masha Allah, I am so happy that you want to embrace Islam! Islam teaches its followers to be kind to all people, whether black or white, male or female, fat or thin, disabled or not. Allah (s.w.t.) loves all of his creation and you included, regardless of your challenges. There is no reason to fear; Islam emphasizes the Ummah, or the brotherhood that all Muslims share. I understand what it is like to live with Asperger's Syndrome as both of my brothers have it. Don't push yourself to socialize if it makes you uncomfortable, just take it one step at a time. You could try bringing a trusted companion to the mosque with you. The other brothers will be very pleased that you are interested in Islam, as are the brothers and sisters on IB. Be sure to let us know how you are doing, I will keep you in my duaas.

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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

    format_quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people I want to make Friends with Muslims and socialize but I am a shy person I would love to go to my local Mosque and learn I have Asperger Syndrome and am viewed as Disabled or Handicapped by the State I want to know how a handicapped/disabled person is viewed in Islam I am a White Male with some American Indian/Native American Anestry not that my Anestry matters I am 23 years old and I tried being a Christian but Christianity is too hard to believe and Judaism is not right for me since the Jews reject Prophet/Messiah Jesus peace be upon him and Prophet/Messenger Muhammad peace be upon him what should I do ?
    Many greetings of peace, brother.

    Islam is the religion of peace, mercy, compassion and forgiveness. Allah invites you to this religion and offers you forgiveness, a great reward and salvation from the Fire.

    If you have any doubts or questions..... do not hesitate to ask. Just_A_Girl13 has recently accepted Islam and we are all rejoicing over it.

    Ahem! Actually I still can't believe that she and Just a Guy became Muslims....... within such a short period of time of joining IB forum.

    Hmmm. Am I dreaming? Anyway, you are more than welcome to join the club. The club of pure joy and happiness.

    Just_A_Girl13's advice is very good. I'm sure Just a Guy can suggest something too. Since they've been in your shoes (sort of).... I think they are in the best position to answer your questions.

    Peace be unto you.

    Alhamdulillahir rabbil al ameen!
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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

    format_quote Originally Posted by Riham View Post
    Just_A_Girl13 has recently accepted Islam and we are all rejoicing over it.
    format_quote Originally Posted by Riham View Post
    Just_A_Girl13's advice is very good.
    Thank you very much, sister If you look on the other threads on this forum, brother truthseeker, you will find that all of the brothers and sisters are very nice. When I joined this forum everybody was very kind to me. The brothers and sisters at the mosque will also be glad to help you with anything you need.

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    Exclamation Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

    format_quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people I want to make Friends with Muslims and socialize but I am a shy person I would love to go to my local Mosque and learn I have Asperger Syndrome and am viewed as Disabled or Handicapped by the State I want to know how a handicapped/disabled person is viewed in Islam I am a White Male with some American Indian/Native American Anestry not that my Anestry matters I am 23 years old and I tried being a Christian but Christianity is too hard to believe and Judaism is not right for me since the Jews reject Prophet/Messiah Jesus peace be upon him and Prophet/Messenger Muhammad peace be upon him what should I do ?
    My friend there is nothing to be fearful about for this is an exciting time for you. Allah guides who he wants and out of so many he has opened your heart to the truth.

    Surely it is Satan who is trying to make you feel fearful for he is your enemy and does not want you to accept the truth.

    Therefore you must reject your enemy satan and know put ALL of your trust, faith and hope in Allah and know that he is there ALL of the way with you on this exciting and wonderful journey.

    You will come across many wonderful people who will be more than willing to help you and make you feel welcomed and even honoured. There is good and bad everywhere and no doubt you will come across bad people just like you come across bad people in any aspect of life but know that if you put your full faith, trust, hopes and reliance in Allah then NOTHING will have a negative affect on you.

    You should not think about "what if" just go for it. You will see that is is so different to how you ever imagined it to be. You will think to yourself "why did i ever worry?"

    So take the step putting your full faith and trust in Allah and know that you will be most welcomed and you will make many new friends for life inshallah.

    Also with regards to your disability then know that Allah has created people in different races, colors and having various abilities. While some of them are given certain gifts, others are deprived of these gifts and thus are disabled. This is the nature of life, according to the Divine Wisdom through which Allah governs everything.

    Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states the following regarding the Islamic perspective on disability:


    In fact, man’s life is a full record of hardships and tribulations. In this sense, Allah says: “ We create man from a drop of thickened fluid to test him” (Al-Insaan:2) When man looks upon these tribulations and afflictions as being a test from Almighty Allah to see his true colors, he will come to know that there is a great Divine wisdom behind all these tests. This is surely an absolute fact, whether we know it or not.


    It is also a great thing that Almighty Allah, when depriving a person of a certain ability or gift, compensates him for it, by bestowing upon him/her other gift, whith which he excels others. That is why we see that those people who are deprived of sight, have very sensitive ears that they can hear very low beats or movements around them. They are given excellence in many other abilities to compensate their imperfection.

    If a person adopts this view, he will surely find rest and get contented with the test posed on him by Almighty Allah. Every person should bear in mind that he can never change his inability or escape Allah’s fate and thus he should try his best to make his life better and turn this sore lemon into sweet honey. This inability should be a motive to creativity and excellence in any field of life. A disabled person should make his condition an impetus towards being distinguished and prominent in the society.

    Islamic history has a shining record of many examples of people who, while having some kind of disability, occupied very excellent positions and prominent status in the society. `Atta Ibn Abi Rabah, who was known of being black, lame and paralyzed person, was the greatest Mufti (very learned scholar)in Makkah. He was highly honored by `Abdul-Malik Ibn Marawan, the Muslim caliph of that time. His vast knowledge earned this prestige.

    Almighty Allah guides all Muslims not to leave those disabled in isolation lest they fall a prey to despair and psychological ailments. They should be welcomed to the open society and be dealt with in the kindest way.


    The Duty of the Society towards the Disabled:

    It must be clearly borne in mind that there are things that happen out of man’s control and there are things that happen to man out of his own negligence, To make this matter clear, we may quote the following example. An infant gets paralyzed. This may occur due to his mother’s negligence of giving her child the due vaccination. So such disability is out of man’s negligence.

    Now, it is the duty of the whole society to establish schools for those persons and secure them due care so that they become good members of the society and that they benefit themselves and their families.

    In the West, great care is shown to the disabled. It is duty of we Muslims to shoulder the responsibility of showing the utmost care to those people, for, according to the teachings of our religion, those persons are sources of Divine mercy and blessings being showered on us now and then. They are the weak for whose sake we are given sustenance and made victorious.

    In his Hadith, our Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said: “You are given sustenance and victory for the virtue of those who are weak amongst you.” We, should show mercy and care to the disabled out of both human and religious motives. In Islam, we are commanded to show mercy to everything in this world.

    In the Hadith: “Show mercy to those on earth so that He Who is in the heavens (i.e. Allah) bestow mercy to you.”

    Source: http://www.ukim.org/imam.asp?CatID=17.


    So my friend do not worry about aything else just put your FULL trust and faith in Allah and know that nothing will affect you in a negative way and everything only happens by the will of Allah.

    If you believe in his oneness and the finality of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) then you should not hesitate to proclaim the Shahada as life is short and death is awaiting us and so we should acknowledge the oneness of our lord without hesitation:

    Ash hadu Allaah ilaaha illallaahu Wa ash hadu annaa Muhammadan Abduhoo wara sooloo

    I bear witness that there is NO worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the slave and Messenger of Allah

    If you need any help with finding a Masjid or getting in touch with local Muslims or with anything else at all then please do not hesitate to ask.
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    Re: The problem I see with man made laws and systems and constitutions

    Bismillah

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    Jazak Allah khyran for stepping up for me.

    @Impey

    Your writing style seems very familiar. I can care less about your disguises or reasons for it. Before I answer your questions or rather further humiliate you by exposing your ignorance, I will give you benefit of doubt. Since you said you want to learn the basics, let's start from the basics:

    1) Do you believe in God?
    2) If you say yes to 1), do you believe in a religion? If so, what is your religion?
    3) If you say yes to 1), do you believe God is the supreme ruler?
    4) Do you think we should let man-made laws dictate our lives? Why or why not?
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    Re: The problem I see with man made laws and systems and constitutions

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    Well I assume you know more than me but I have read about Hanifa, Malik, Shafi etc. Madhabs in my understanding as schools of jurisprudence so if that is different from Schools of law then the nuance escapes me. Now I further gather that the Qu'ran and Hadith are 'divinely protected from error' though this seems an assumption as I cannot see how it can be proved. However, one might regard the Qu'ran and Hadith as error free but you cannot extend that to any interpretation that end up as law.
    Qur'an is divinely protected from any changing and there is no error. You seem to have really short memory, you have not been away from IB that long (does creating new username mean you lost your past memory too?), and it has been proven to you many times in the past in many discussions involving you. It's a pity sis. Lily is not really active anymore, otherwise I'm sure she would have been glad to show you again.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    Of course but they require human mind to find an interpretation that links all the things together - renumbering there are contradictory hadiths for example.
    So you have found contradictory hadiths, can you show us some examples along with their details, classifications, and the context? And I am sure you are familiar with classifications based on the isnad and mat'an.

    Another thing, as a christian, shouldn't you be loving contradictions? after all, we can find more contradictions in bible which is considered by christians as words of God. Also after all, christians do not even have any particular care about how jesus' sayings and actions were recorded and transmitted (yes, I understand you do believe that the writers of bible were divinely inspired, the problem is no one knew who they were and whether they were trusted and it is a complete mystery how the collections of this hodgepodge of writings became koine greek bible and why hundreds of other gospels which clearly said Jesus (pbuh) was a messenger were thrown out. I see that christians do love mysteries, though). And one single event by one person is often reported contradictorily in different bible verses. If you cannot remember what they are because of your identity change, I'd suggest you to head to the comparative religion section.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    Have you actually read the whole Bible?
    Yes I have. It was a bible a couple of christian missionaries gave to me when I was studying in college. Actually they have put the bible online: http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm
    And it does occur to me that you actually have not read the whole bible, and so I'd suggest you go to that site and read it.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    If not it goes to show that you can make claims and false accusation about Christianity and the Bible but actually have zero knowledge.
    Ah, more christians in this forum and their false claims and accusations. I am sure I have more knowledge about bible than most christians.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    “If you do not know, ask those who know.” (21:43)
    Based on your false accusations, this verse perfectly describe what you need to do.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    Where? Frankly, I think you comment is absurd

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    What facts exactly and where does it say to worship one God? As far as I know all Christian believe in the oneness of God and your trouble is that you have such a limited understanding of what a person is that you cannot see beyond your own bias. AS far as I can see Christians and other non believers do not make fun of Mohammed in this board and its is unseemly for you to do it about Jesus here.
    Actually, I am far more respectful to Jesus (pbuh) than any christians in this forum. I always send salam and pray for him whenever I write his name, and everytime I read his story in the Qur'an, I also send supplications for him.
    From your question
    What facts exactly and where does it say to worship one God?
    , it does seem you have not read your bible in a while:
    "The most important one," answered Isa, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (mark 12:29)
    It is clear that Jesus' Lord and God is one, and we muslims worship the God that Jesus worshiped, while christians do not worship the God that Jesus (pbuh) worship, and decided this commandment from Jesus (as) as unimportant and changed it to our lord is 3 in 1 god, one of which is a baby jesus and the other wandering spirit.
    If such important law was changed by christians, you don't have to imagine what happened to the rest of the laws.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Impey View Post
    I have read many posts but I do not know of a single case where there was any witnesses to the words revealed to Mohammed - I would be very happy to read such information.
    Prophet Muhammad was known as always telling the truth, and this was corroborated by everyone, including his enemies.
    And of course only prophet Muhammad SAW directly received the words being revealed to him, had others also heard it live, then the others would have been messengers of God too, you know this but you are pretending you did not.
    But the events when revelations were taking place were witnessed by other shahaba, and you must have known this too.
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    Re: Im on a diet do you think drinking more ice or iced Water would help me lose weig

    Water is not fat burner that will burn your fat. But drink much water is good for your metabolism. It will help your diet.
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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

    Brother, I was in much your position as I struggled to accept Islam.

    I am also a white guy, though I don't have any disabilities, so I can't relate to that part. But I tell you, the first couple of times that I went to masjid, I was scared to death. I didn't know how anyone there was going to react to an obviously non-Muslim white guy walking in and wanting to speak to a brother about Islam. I thought they would think I was with the FBI or CIA or local police.

    Once I got there and started talking to people, it really wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The brothers I have met there have been good guys for the most part. I still get the occasional odd look from someone I have never met, but I don't let it bother me anymore. I have been there enough times that the masjid feels like a second home to me now. Most of the regulars there know me now and they were there when I took shahada, so they know that I am a new Muslim and are willing to help me out with learning.

    So yeah, if you want to become a Muslim, I would go ahead and do it as soon as possible. I was going to wait for a while, but I figured that tomorrow is not guaranteed, and I wanted to at least have peace in my heart that I made the right decision. It has been almost 2 weeks ago now and I still don't regret my decision. I still have a lot to learn, but with the brothers I know at masjid now and the books and resources I have online, I am learning something new every day.
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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

    As salam alaikum brother,

    Islam is wonderful religion. It's changed by life. Islam doesnt see color,ethinicty,nationality and so forth we are all part of one ummah..Allah judge a man by his heart. As far as Aspergers goes..I can sort of relate..I myself am labeled by the state as disabled..me for mental disablilty.I have agoraphobia,ptsd,depression,lots of aniexty,etc. But, I've come to a part in my life where I want to fix it..the doctors says im either bipolar or have schizoaffective disorder. I take 5-6 meds a day..I was taking more. I've made Dua for Allah to ease my suffering. I go to therapy 1x a week, borderline personality disorder group every week on wesnesday,I see my shrink 1x a month usually. I'm making effort to change myself socially,mentally,spiritually at once. The social anixiety can get better..other behaviors can be change..just look to Allah in guidence of all things..theres nothing Allah can't repair..just ask and have sincere faith. I'm proud to say that I have successfully come off of one of my meds this week. I'm doing so much better..I didnt need another pill to replace it!!! yay!! Social anxiety start by talking on here..maybe just one person at first to speak personally with...by messages,email whatever...maybe u can find someone in the country u live in..and work your way up to a phone call..i hated the phone for so long..i was even to nervous to pick up the phone to order a pizza at one time in my life.you just slowly introduce yourself to the world and Islam. The Muslim community is the best! Most Muslims are very friendly,kind,caring,understanding,willing to help with any question,make good friend. We love each other for the sake of Allah. Ah yeh you should look up a mosque on facebook in your local area..and speak with the imam there..if u are afraid to call. If you feel Islam is right for you and you understand the conditions of shadaha i sugguest you take your shadaha as soon as possible.
    Because life is too short..and only Allah know the Day of Resurrection. When you take it..theres a few things I'd sugguest..buy a Quran..research the different translators..you want to get any Saudi approved Quran..don't buy one from Iranian translator there beliefs are completely different..and thats not true Islam that they worship..its innovation. Download Azan program set to your local area.its free online..find an online site that teaches you how to pray..and how many rakkat to do for each of the 5 prayers..print of paper that teaches u wudu abulition of prayer..cleanse yourself..you must speak all in Arabic..its okay if you dont know how to pronounce correctly..you will learn..just try..surely Allah see your efforts..you need ka'ba finder..u can buy on ebay..those in the black plastic casing arent good ones.they dont work..get the metal one.if u not have a prayer rug..use a clean towel to make salaat on..read quran as often as possible..ask any question here..these are good people here..they help you.. Good Luck to you brother..May Islam find its way into your heart, Ameen.
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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

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    I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people I want to make Friends with Muslims and socialize but I am a shy person I would love to go to my local Mosque and learn I have Asperger Syndrome and am viewed as Disabled or Handicapped by the State I want to know how a handicapped/disabled person is viewed in Islam I am a White Male with some American Indian/Native American Anestry not that my Anestry matters I am 23 years old and I tried being a Christian but Christianity is too hard to believe and Judaism is not right for me since the Jews reject Prophet/Messiah Jesus peace be upon him and Prophet/Messenger Muhammad peace be upon him what should I do ?
    Salaam Alaikum Brother
    You should never be afraid, you are a human being you have a value , If some one rejects you because of what you listed then they are nothing to care about.. You are more valuable in the eyes of God than most people who didn't go through what you have gone
    you are not dis abled you are more able to do extra-ordinary things than most us ... beleive me you are.
    I am a shy person my self.. this resulted in me not having except a few friends that i see maybe twice a year.. but you know it's a good thing it isn't bad because you will be more careful in speaking with people you don;t want get involved with people that disagree with you with your opinions so the shy qaulity you have will give you a safety shield.
    You are a very nice person that is concerned with people and their well being ---- that's what i understood from you posts so don;t worry i am sure there will be many good people out there more than happy to be your friend and if you need any help .. all the memebers of this board insha'Allah will be more then happy to help you..

    Best wishes- May Allah guide you to inner peace and Eternal Happiness

    I hope some of what i said made some sense, i also hope it helps

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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

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    Thank you for being so open and honest.
    You have a lot to offer the forum and the Muslim community.
    Concentrate on the gifts that you possess instead of any shortcomings...we all have those.
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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

    format_quote Originally Posted by truthseeker63 View Post
    I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people I want to make Friends with Muslims and socialize but I am a shy person I would love to go to my local Mosque and learn I have Asperger Syndrome and am viewed as Disabled or Handicapped by the State I want to know how a handicapped/disabled person is viewed in Islam I am a White Male with some American Indian/Native American Anestry not that my Anestry matters I am 23 years old and I tried being a Christian but Christianity is too hard to believe and Judaism is not right for me since the Jews reject Prophet/Messiah Jesus peace be upon him and Prophet/Messenger Muhammad peace be upon him what should I do ?
    First off, don't get too concerned with useless labels like "Asperger's". Every person is an entire person unto themselves and a unique mental case and at the very best mood and personality disorders are just feeble attempts to treat common problems that have little in the way of common cause. But it's not even that: everyone is diagnosed with Asperger's now because it's the disease of the moment, along with bipolar disorder and ADD. "Handicapped" is basically another word for "unordinary". And I am speaking as someone who is diagnosed with all three, so don't think I have some ignorance or bias on the matter. Mental disorders, whether belonging to current psychiatric trend and vogue or not, are just arbitrarily decided upon meaningless groups of personality traits, a textbook example of the statistical cluster effect. If you have enough people in the world then there's bound to be a large number of people with any combination of traits you can think of: the only difference is whether or not psychologists have bothered to come up with a label for them and a personal subjective judgment on whether or not they think it's good for anyone alive to have said traits. And again, getting diagnosed with one of the specific disorders mentioned above now seems to require little more than breathing in and out. I am not saying this to impugn anything you've said about social anxiety, which is a far from unheard of trait even for those not alleged to have any disorders. It is the psychiatric community, and especially the DSM, that I am attacking, not you. My advice for you is to think of your problems as your very own, just the same as you would if you'd never heard of any disorders, and try to overcome them as you would any emotional or character flaw. Common sense is all you ever need.

    As for joining Islam I would be glad to help in any way I can: it's literally why I'm here. And I hope I haven't got things off to the wrong start. If you can't bring yourself to go to a mosque then you could always watch services online on Friday, although I think a better idea would be to find a small mosque with few members.
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    Your writing style seems very familiar. I can care less about your disguises or reasons for it. Before I answer your questions or rather further humiliate you by exposing your ignorance, I will give you benefit of doubt. Since you said you want to learn the basics, let's start from the basics:

    1) Do you believe in God?
    2) If you say yes to 1), do you believe in a religion? If so, what is your religion?
    3) If you say yes to 1), do you believe God is the supreme ruler?
    4) Do you think we should let man-made laws dictate our lives? Why or why not?
    I will try to be as clear as I can.
    1. If you mean do I believe in what you call Allah the answer is no. If there is a God that I could believe in he would be compassionate, loving and logically consistent and I don't see any of those in Islam.

    2. If I were to choose a religion and being honest I hardly know much about most world religions I would choose Christianity because it accords and advocates the Golden Rule - do unto other as you would have them do to you and it works without the absolute legalism and intolerance I have found so far in Islam.

    3. I have no clear idea what you mean by 'supreme ruler' as I don't see where this is happening, the world just gets on using the laws of physics and I can do my own thing as you do yours and I certainly shy away from any arrogance that I might know what God wants

    4. Of course as I do not see how we can have any other kind of laws. In any case I don't need the Qu'ran or your hadith to tell me what is right and wrong
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    Re: The problem I see with man made laws and systems and constitutions

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    Qur'an is divinely protected from any changing and there is no error. You seem to have really short memory, you have not been away from IB that long (does creating new username mean you lost your past memory too?), and it has been proven to you many times in the past in many discussions involving you. It's a pity sis. Lily is not really active anymore, otherwise I'm sure she would have been glad to show you again.
    Well you have to prove it. I have read a good number of hadith so far (mainly for the music thread) but also looked at hadith science - now everywhere I have looked it talks about this 'divine protection from error' but as far as I can tell it is an assumption as not one of the papers attempted to justify it - perhaps you can? However, I have also discovered that interpretations are NOT divinely protected so ispo factor sharia must be the work of men or to put it more technically Allah and His Messenger are divinely protected from error, instead of taking it from the madhhabs or "schools of jurisprudence" of the mujtahid Imams such as Abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafi‘i, and Ahmad, which are not?"

    I now know that to better understand Islam, one must appreciate the thoroughly legalistic nature of the religion. According to sharia every conceivable human act is categorised as being either forbidden, discouraged, permissible, recommended, or obligatory. "Common sense" or "universal opinion" has little to do with Islam's notions of right and wrong. Only what Allah (through the Quran) and his prophet Muhammad (through the Hadith) have to say about any given issue matters; and how Islam's greatest theologians and jurists – collectively known as the ulema, literally, "they who know" – have articulated it.

    So it matters not to you what arguments anyone might bring about right or wrong they are all irrelevant so there is no logic needed other that to decide what a group of hadith say. So if the hadith collectively say the sun goes round the earth that is right no matter what science says, similarly if I bring an argument that having more than one wife is wrong you do not, cannot consider that argument, all you are interested in is what does the law say?

    So you have found contradictory hadiths, can you show us some examples along with their details, classifications, and the context? And I am sure you are familiar with classifications based on the isnad and mat'an.
    I can hardly believe you are asking this, I am a total beginner and know already the are contradictory hadith - what do you think hadith science is for, why you have to collect all the relevant hadith before you make a judgement. Go and do some work and read http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/madhhabstlk.htm

    Yes I have. It was a bible a couple of christian missionaries gave to me when I was studying in college. Actually they have put the bible online: http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm And it does occur to me that you actually have not read the whole bible, and so I'd suggest you go to that site and read it.
    Here again you just show you don't know much - anyone at all can tell you that the site you quote is a Jehovah's Witness site and with a tiny bit of searching I easily found http://www.biblegateway.com/ where I can if I so wished look at many different translations. I conclude you don't have 'more knowledge about bible than most christians'. As you quoted the Bible can I assume you regard it as an authority?

    Actually, I am far more respectful to Jesus (pbuh) than any christians in this forum. I always send salam and pray for him whenever I write his name, and everytime I read his story in the Qur'an, I also send supplications for him.
    You do seem a little arrogant and so far in this board no one else talks like that. I don't understand what you mean when you say you pray for Jesus but I take it 'supplications means you also pray TO him?


    Prophet Muhammad was known as always telling the truth, and this was corroborated by everyone, including his enemies.
    And of course only prophet Muhammad SAW directly received the words being revealed to him, had others also heard it live, then the others would have been messengers of God too, you know this but you are pretending you did not. But the events when revelations were taking place were witnessed by other shahaba, and you must have known this too.
    Can you tell me where is says that others HEARD the actual words of revelation from the angel.
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    Re: I want to become a Muslim but I am fearful about meeting new people

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    I know sister from my country who is muslim and asperger. I will ask her to talk with you if you like.

    She might knows better what it is be muslim with this.
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