truthseeker63's Corner

**truthseeker63** · 06-02-2011

The problem I see with man made laws and systems and constitutions is that they can be changed taken away added to edited and are all the time for example Congress or Parliament may raise taxes this year than lower or cut taxes the next year I just think Capitalism and Socialism are inferior does anyone agree ?

http://www.islam101.com/rights/hrM1.htm

6. Men make laws to suit their own needs. Suppose members of parliament want to decrease the rate of tax on rich, they would do so, even if the majority of the people suffered and there was high unemployment in the country.

http://www.angelfire.com/bc3/johnson...wa/sharia.html

**Impey** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by truthseeker63

The problem I see with man made laws and systems and constitutions is that they can be changed taken away added to edited and are all the time for example Congress or Parliament may raise taxes this year than lower or cut taxes the next year I just think Capitalism and Socialism are inferior does anyone agree ?

Inferior to what?

**al yunan** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by Impey

Inferior to what?

Theocracy !
What else.

**Impey** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by al yunan

Theocracy !
What else.

A particular theocracy or any? Plus there are plenty of other things: communism, humanism etc. I might say that Christianity is best since if we look at the WEST WE see development and progress?

**Who Am I?** · 06-02-2011

Hmmm, I may have to disagree with that. I think the beauty of a consitution is that it can be changed if needs be, depending on whatever sitations may arise. The world is constantly changing and while I do agree that some things are absolute (like Allah's mercy swt), other things may change as situations arise.

Now when I say change, I don't mean the fundamental tenants of Islam or the Qu'ran. Those are set down by Allah, and He hasn't changed His mind in 1400 years. But I think there needs to be a system of minor laws that can be changed as circumstances dictate (war, peace, famine, prosperity, etc).

I admit that maybe this is my Western upbringing with its focus on individuals over society that may be talking here. I've never been really comfortable with the concept of a theocracy, but then I have never been religious either. I have had my issues with every major religion at some point in my life. As I said in another thread, I used to be really afraid of Sharia law. That was always a scary word to me. But maybe now it won't be so bad, inshallah. As I told a brother I recently spoke with, maybe a little discipline in my life is what I need, inshallah.

**Lynx** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by truthseeker63

The problem I see with man made laws and systems and constitutions is that they can be changed taken away added to edited and are all the time for example Congress or Parliament may raise taxes this year than lower or cut taxes the next year I just think Capitalism and Socialism are inferior does anyone agree ?

http://www.islam101.com/rights/hrM1.htm

What's wrong with being able to increase or decrease taxes? You do realize that things occur in the economy that require changes in tax rates, right? The problem with an unchanging legal system or economic system is that it won't be able to adapt. Imagine if laws didn't change; slavery would have never been abolished. Or if you are pro-slavery, imagine what would happen if we could not create new laws for new technological advancements (say, the invention of cars). I think you'll quickly realize that a changing legal system is a good thing.

Also, capitalism is the most successful and powerful economic system in history.

**al yunan** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by Impey

A particular theocracy or any? Plus there are plenty of other things: communism, humanism etc. I might say that Christianity is best since if we look at the WEST WE see development and progress?

Christians don't use Theocratic law they use Franco / Roman or Dutch / Roman.
What you call Western progress to many other people of this world it's called decadence and as for most Muslims it's a revival of Sodom and Gomorrah with a few new twists such as drug addiction, necrophilia, pedophilia, zoophilia to name a few plus Satanism.
No wonder many Africans prefer tribal life and Asians, nomadic life it's safer.
From Cape Town to Cairo covering the whole of Africa and hundred of languages including Arabic, you wont find a word for incest, that would also be a white man and very Christian invention as it's mentioned in the Bible "the how to manual" of progress!

**Impey** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by al yunan

Christians don't use Theocratic law they use Franco / Roman or Dutch / Roman.
What you call Western progress to many other people of this world it's called decadence and as for most Muslims it's a revival of Sodom and Gomorrah with a few new twists such as drug addiction, necrophilia, pedophilia, zoophilia to name a few plus Satanism.
No wonder many Africans prefer tribal life and Asians, nomadic life it's safer.
From Cape Town to Cairo covering the whole of Africa and hundred of languages including Arabic, you wont find a word for incest, that would also be a white man and very Christian invention as it's mentioned in the Bible "the how to manual" of progress!

Are you claiming that you will see none of these things in a Muslim country?

Is there any difference between stealing in a theocratic system or Roman system or ....? If I go to the gulf I see plenty of decadence amongst the Arabs, a recent BBC report stated that in Tehran there were a huge number of prostitutes (you don't think they walk around in mini skirts do you?), if you read news papers in the West or in the Gulf you will find cases of incest - surely you are not saying that because there is no word a thing cannot happen?

Maybe we can discuss it by a recent article by the famous Muslim Chemist Ahmed Zewail, Nobel prize winner, says research lags way behind in the Islamic world and offers some suggestions as to what might be done. His suggestions include: illiteracy, politicised religion, no jobs, fanaticism, violence, frustration, non participation of women, allow freedom of thought, reward merit, etc. Go an read it in New Scientist issue 2809 27 April 2011

**Perseveranze** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by Impey

Are you claiming that you will see none of these things in a Muslim country? 1

Difference between the current Muslim countrys and Islamic approach.

**al yunan** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by Impey

Are you claiming that you will see none of these things in a Muslim country?

Now we do, thanks to our European teachers and your "progress".
For your information Tehran residents are usualy Shi'a, I don't believe I included them any where in my post.

**Impey** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by Perseveranze

Difference between the current Muslim countrys and Islamic approach.

Yes good point, but what I was asking was will it make any difference, it has not in the past as far as I can see because humans are wilful suborn creatures? Could you perhaps in one sentence say what that approach is?

**Darth Ultor** · 06-02-2011

I would never live under Sharia law. People with power are corrupt. I personally think having a Mullah who has the power to take people's heads off is no better than any other tyrant.

**Impey** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by al yunan

Now we do, thanks to our European teachers and your "progress".
For your information Tehran residents are usualy Shi'a, I don't believe I included them any where in my post.

I am sorry I don't get this, are Shi'a not Muslims? Please explain?

**al yunan** · 06-02-2011

Originally Posted by Boaz

I would never live under Sharia law. People with power are corrupt. I personally think having a Mullah who has the power to take people's heads off is no better than any other tyrant.

JUdaism has no death penalty ?
Have you read the Talmud ?
You have more to fear from a Talmud yielding Rabbi than any Qadi.
Or have I got it wrong and I would be safe as houses around such Rabbis.

**Ğħαrєєвαħ** · 06-02-2011

Greetings of peace

Originally Posted by Boaz

I would never live under Sharia law. People with power are corrupt. I personally think having a Mullah who has the power to take people's heads off is no better than any other tyrant.

How do you know what the Shariah law is when you havent even seen it been fully implemented? Whos says Mullahs take over when Shariah law is implemented?

Tyrants are tyrants, what has that got anything to do with having the shariah law implemented?

**Darth Ultor** · 06-03-2011

I don't want any religious law governing me, thank you.

**Ğħαrєєвαħ** · 06-03-2011

^name it religious law..

But in the case of Islaam it is the law of God, accepted by all prophets..

Rather the law of God is justice and not unfair.

**Darth Ultor** · 06-03-2011

God's law is just. But humanity can twist it for their own pleasure. Yes, even the "uncorruptable" Quran can be taken out of context and used to suit the needs of the ones in power.

**Ramadhan** · 06-03-2011

Originally Posted by Boaz

God's law is just. But humanity can twist it for their own pleasure. Yes, even the "uncorruptable" Quran can be taken out of context and used to suit the needs of the ones in power.

Humanity can also twist man-made laws for their own pleasure.
and man-made laws can be taken out of context and used to suit the needs of the ones in power.

**truthseeker63** · 06-03-2011

I can't agree with Capitalism because number 1 Capitalism is based on greed also my point with taxes is that Americans debate all day and night long about what tax system to have Progressive Flat or Sale's tax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax