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The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

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    The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

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    The Prohibition of Photography
    by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel Saheb (rahmatullah alayh)


    One of the greatest calamities of our times is the abuse of the camera.

    In this day and age, with the easy availability of cell-phones, digital cameras, camcorders, etc. everyone seems to be in possession of a tool which has created an upheaval in mischief. …How many have had their names dragged through the mud or have been black-mailed, slandered or left humiliated and disgraced due to photographs taken and then circulated?

    Photography is an evil which has been entirely misjudged and under-estimated.
    Just recently, a brother related a dream to me, requesting an interpretation. I interpreted his dream saying: ‘It seems as if movies are being viewed in the Masjid.’
    Within a matter of days, the interpretation was made apparent. We had a visiting ‘Aalim give a talk in our Masjid. I was sitting on a chair, near the front, when I observed three young boys very absorbed with their cell phones. I requested a friend to go to the back of the Masjid and see what they were up to. He observed that they were viewing some film with dirty, indecent pictures.رَاجِعُوْن اِلَيْهِ اِنَّا وَ لِلّٰهِ ِاِنَّاWe give our children high-technology at the expense of hayaa
    (modesty), Deen and Imaan.


    One is to have no shame and commit sins in the presence of Allah Ta’ala, but increasing in shamelessness is when one is brazen enough to commit sins in the presence of Allah Ta’ala, whilst in the Masjid, the House of Allah Ta’ala.
    The same shamelessness is found en-masse in the Masjid of all Masaajid, Masjidul Haraam in Makkah Shareef. The objective of the majority visiting these days, is taking photographs and video recording, instead of engaging in Ibaadah.

    Complaints - and it is even our experience - of flashes and clicks of the camera, seen or heard, whilst Salaah is in progress or whilst in Tawaaf.
    There is a very dire need to explain that this is a grave and serious crime in the sight of Allah Ta’ala.

    What needs to be understood is that photography of anything animate is a clear prohibition. It is Haraam.

    It has been narrated from Hazrat Jabir (RA) that Rasulullah (1) forbade pictures in the house and he forbade making them.
    Rasulullah (1) said: “Verily, of the most grievously tormented people on the Day of Resurrection are picture-makers.”[1]
    There are, in fact, many other Ahaadeeth, which clearly prove this prohibition.


    Why did Allah Ta’ala prohibit photography?

    One reason is quite clear; that it was the origin of Shirk (polytheism):

    Going down the passage of history, we find that mankind was introduced to idol worship due to shaytaan’s efforts in leading mankind astray. So due to his whispering encouragement, people began to draw and sketch their pious predecessors, thinking that their faces and images will be a source of inspiration; an incentive to also follow in their footsteps of piety. However, it was the means by which many began to worship those pictures, and thereafter carved such idols; and idol worship came into vogue.

    Whilst this would have been more than sufficient for the Believer, it is no longer considered a worthy reason by Muslims who want to engage in the sin. Many say that there is no way that they would worship a photograph or even a sketch, let alone an idol.

    My Shaykh, Hazrat Maulana Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar Saheb (Daamat Barakaatuhum) explains that one reason behind the prohibition is so that Allah Ta’ala may protect the respect and dignity of His servants.

    Many a time, a person who was engaged in various evils is granted hidayah (guidance). Sometimes, this hidayah is such that he attains a high stage of Wilayah. The person becomes a great Wali (Friend) of Allah Ta’ala and even a Shaykh, and thousands of people throng to his gatherings. Now at such a time, if someone were to dig up pictures of his past … what embarrassment would he have to endure?

    From Allah Ta’ala’s side, there is forgiveness of sins, on sincere taubah, to the extent, that all evidence is ‘deleted’ and Insha-Allah, the person will not have to render an account for those sins. However, if photographs were taken, then this is evidence which the person has produced against himself, and which cannot always be destroyed – especially if it is in the hands of others who wish to bring disgrace to the person.

    My Shaykh mentioned the above reason, during an election in Pakistan, where a woman was a candidate in the election. She was blackmailed with photographs of herself in a compromising situation, so that she withdraws.

    Further to this reason, we find that the porn industry and filthy films are all based on pictures. Islam nips the problem in the bud by prohibiting photography.
    If everyone practiced upon this teaching, we would not have pornography, woman abuse and exploitation, child pornography, and the evil consequences of rape, insanity, suicide, incest, etc., much of which has shattered and devastated the marriages and homes of many Muslims.

    Now thinking over all these harms, we should appreciate the prohibition all the more and show that appreciation by abstaining.

    There is nothing but great wisdom in the prohibitions of Allah Ta’ala, with nothing but good for His servants.


    [1] Sahih Bukhari






    For every masjid that he brought to tears with his heartfelt duaas, and every person he helped guide to the straight path (as this sinful slave), by the will of Allah (subhanawataála) - may Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel be granted the highest ranks in Jannah. Ameen.



    Salaam
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~ View Post
    What needs to be understood is that photography of anything animate is a clear prohibition. It is Haraam.
    Are you able to get around without an ID, a Driver's license or a passport?
    We're in fact capturing what Allah swt has created it is a reflection like looking in the mirror not improvising upon his creation.

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    If image-making is haraam, how come it is permissible to watch TV and videos?


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    A brother told me that taking pictures is haram. I started searching in the fatawa of different scholars and I found that scholars have not agreed it is haram. What convinced me the most was the fatwa of Sheikh Ben Baz - may Allah have mercy on him. I believe all types of pictures are haram as well as keeping them, unless for essential purposes. I believe also that the one who accepts to be pictured is as sinful as the one who takes the picture, because he accepted.
    On the other hand, in a fatwa of Sheikh Ben Baz he says that watching TV or video is not haram if it contains no munkar (evil).
    My question and problem is: Is it permissible then to look at the pictures that contain no munkar? Just for entertainment, according to the scholars who claim looking at pictures is haram? Regardless the way they have been taken? And if it was permissible, then under which level of (Denouncing the evil) should we consider it? As pictures are munkar (Evil), and I should at least denounce it by my heart, then by taking it away of my sight, and moving away from the place where pictures are existing.
    Also if anyone shows me a piece of video by mobile phone then I should avoid it? Please sheikh remove my confusion about this matter and tell me if I am right or wrong?.

    Praise be to Allaah. Firstly: What you say about it being haraam to take photographs and keep them except in cases of necessity, and it being permissible to watch TV and videos if they are free of evils, is the view of a number of scholars, including Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) and the scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas, may Allaah preserve them. Secondly: The confusion that you mentioned was answered by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), who explained that pictures contained on a video tape and the like are stored in the form of electro-magnetic waves, hence they were regarded as permissible by those who do not regard photographs as permissible. He (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Images made by modern methods are of two types: 1 – Those that are stored in a way that does not have any tangible or visible form, as was mentioned in the case of images, such as video tapes. There is no ruling on these at all and they do not come under the prohibition at all. Hence the scholars who forbid photographs printed on paper regarded them as permissible, and said that there is nothing wrong with them. It was said: Is it permissible to film the lectures that are given in mosques? Their opinion was that this should not be done, because it may disturb those who are praying there, and it does not befit the place, and so on. 2 – Photographs that are printed on paper. But there remains the question: if a person wants to make these permissible images, then he is subject to the five rulings according to his intention. If he intends thereby to do something haraam, then it is haraam. If he intends thereby to do something obligatory then it is obligatory. It may be obligatory to make images sometimes, especially moving images. For example, if we see someone committing a crime that is a crime against a person’s rights, such as a murder attempt and the like, and it cannot be proven except by means of a picture, then in that case taking a picture is obligatory, especially in cases where pictures could tell the full story, because the means are subject to the same rulings as the ends. If we use this image-making to prove the identity of a person lest he be accused of a crime committed by someone else, there is nothing wrong with this either, rather it is essential. But if we take a picture in order to enjoy looking at it, this is undoubtedly haraam. End quote from al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (2/197-199). See also questions no. 10326, 13633 and 20325. And Allaah knows best.

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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    Things Relating To Watching TV

    TV - ADVERTS
    TV - MUSIC - EVEN ISLAMIC CHANNELS CONTAINS MUSIC WITHIN THE ADVERTS
    TV - GIRLS
    TV - NON MAHRAMS - BOYS AND GIRLS
    TV - INFLUENCE OF HARAM
    TV - INPERMISSIBLE THINGS TAKE PLACE

    That Why Many Say It Is Disliked To Watch TV

    Allah Knows Best

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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    Does mirror haraam too? The reason picture, sculpture, including photography are associated with "shirk" or "polytheism" is irrelevant and outdated. At the time the Prophet lived, people can easily fell to shirk and polytheism when they're making living creature's sculpture and picture. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh didn't want the muslim fell the same way as the Jewish fell when they worshipped the statue of cow, and the Christians fell when they worshipped the statue of Jesus (and saints, to some). But now, pictures (digital and physical) are so common that we live and breath with it. Everything in Islam is basically mubah, unless the fiqh tells otherwise. I can accept if the painting of living things are haraam, but photography is like a mirror. How can you identify people's identity, if not by photograph -- for legal documents etc? How can police capture and identify the villains, if not by their photographs? Just because an ulama told this haraam and that haraam, doesn't mean it's true.
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    Assalamu-alaikum,


    Are there some situations in which it is permissible to make pictures?.


    Praise be to Allaah. Making images and pictures of animate beings is completely forbidden at all times, except when there is an essential reason for doing so, such as a photo for a passport, or for identification documents, or to show pictures of suspects so that they will be recognized, or testing purposes, or when applying for a job, and other ways in which trickery may be prevented or security protected. In this case a concession is granted, only as much as is essential.

    From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/478.

    http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/34904/photos

    With regards to taking pictures for essential reasons - this is fine, as discussed above.....this is unanimously agreed upon by most, if not all scholars.

    Picture-taking in other circumstances is prohibited.

    One may ask, how is something that is prohibited, made lawful under the above scenarios?
    There are other examples of this nature as well - e.g being able to eat pork/ drink alcohol - in a life & death situation, when there is nothing else to consume and only partaking of that to keep you alive.



    The reason picture, sculpture, including photography are associated with "shirk" or "polytheism" is irrelevant and outdated.
    Islam is a way of life for all of time.
    That which has been commanded by Allah (subhanawataála) and His messenger (sallahu alaihi wasalam) - still applies today.
    Not just for this issue, but everything else as well.


    It is up to us to submit to that which is prescribed for us - as this is only for our good.
    Imaan rests on submission.
    Alhamdulillah.


    Salaam

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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    i will read this article at home insha-Allah and will comment soon.

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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~ View Post
    With regards to taking pictures for essential reasons - this is fine, as discussed above..
    I haven't seen such allowances in your original post--Yours makes a complete prohibition of ALL ANIMATE OBJECTS & didn't seem very open for discussion. It is indeed important to reflect on just what that entails given Islam IS a complete way of life.That includes knowing what is going on in Palestine or Syria, being given a live lecture from one of your favorite scholars or even learning anatomy in fine details so that undergoing a procedure isn't a hit or miss but a precise science, or being granted visa to go to Pilgrimage etc or even in how you give da3wa to non-Muslims..

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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    ^ Assalamu-alaikum Ukthi,

    Perhaps I shud of mentioned that the first post is from a talk by the late Hazrat Yunus Patel - and clearly is not aimed as a fatwa, or meant to encompass all details pertaining to this topic - but, it is intended to draw to an important issue that is affecting our ummah.

    In a similiar manner as one would say in conversation: Alcohol is prohibited and haraam, pork is haraam......and we may not mention thereafter that there are extreme exceptions to the rule - the same applies here.

    By not mentioning the exceptions, does not remove from the fact that making pictures of animate objects is forbidden.
    And it is this, that we have forgotten (and I myself needed this reminder.....)

    I hope this clears things up, insha Allah.


    Salaam

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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    Ok, Jazaki Allah khyran..
    We've people interested in Islam people on the cusp swaying here and there etc. not everyone enters these topics with the same level of knowledge hence I like everything to be clarified ..

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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by arachnide View Post
    But now, pictures (digital and physical) are so common that we live and breath with it.
    That's not a good argument now, is it? Just because things are common and norm, it makes them right? One might argue, we live and breathe nudity, intermingling, so might as well accept it as norm, far more progressive from the barbarian cultures from 50000 years ago when Man was a hunter and a Woman the nurturer for his kids, somewhere in the caves when we had not discovered fire.

    I dont do any portrait photography of humans. Couple of times I've taken pics of some poor kids but I've avoided human subjects in general. There are Muslims who are totally fine with all sorts of photography. So I guess it comes down to what you are personally comfortable with.
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    Photography is a tool. It depend on how someone uses it.
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)


    to me this issue is same like "interest". as its in hadith in time near to end all muslism will be polluted with interest. today we see its ture, but that doesnot mean that we make it halal. we should avoid it as much as posible. i mean if a person can handle without having bank account he do so, to have no transaction with bank. bcz bank business is base on interest.
    similarly we should avoid photography but where we have no other option we do it and repent to Allah SWT.
    and Allah SWT knows the best.
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    This fatwa/article/whatever it is, is so irrelevant that it's almost comical. It displays an utter disregard to Usul and practicality and clearly shows that the person giving the fatwa has no idea what photography is when he quotes the hadith of the picture makers. I honestly think that it's this kind of black and white, lack of awareness, backward (yes, backward) fatwas, no matter how well intentioned they are, are means that drive people away from the deen. To me it indicates that the individual(s) writing it and quoting it are afraid to engage modernity and the state of modern society and find a way to balance it with Islam and it's principles whilst remaining within the Usul, that they write reactionary pieces like this that are devoid of practicality and substance and in all honesty, a deep understanding of fiqh. The fatwa clearly fails to distinguish between photography as an entity and of photography, i.e. what it is being used for and when - they are two different things that require two different approaches and will have two different conclusions that are certainly not black and white. Rather, to find an extreme in the wrong, and then do the lazy thing and reply with an opposite extreme fatwa like this is not helping anyone. It simply does more harm than good.

    Does anyone actually think this fatwa will be taken seriously?
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    how can you say that fatwas like this are causing ppl to leave the deen, and not Allah? is not Allah the one who guides whom He wills and misguides whom He wills?

    If a person can leave the deen based on a fatwa that he/she disagrees with, in a way good riddance! As this person never understood the difference in aqeedah and fiqh/matters of daily living.

    By the way, painting human subjects is not a gift of modernity. Yes, painting is different from photography, but both involve capturing human faces.

    Prophet pbuh have forbidden to display pictures/paintings of living humans on walls inside the house.
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos View Post
    how can you say that fatwas like this are causing ppl to leave the deen, and not Allah? is not Allah the one who guides whom He wills and misguides whom He wills?

    If a person can leave the deen based on a fatwa that he/she disagrees with, in a way good riddance! As this person never understood the difference in aqeedah and fiqh/matters of daily living.
    1) I said it is a means to drive people away from the deen - I never said it is the cause nor did I say leave the deen. This is a very important distinction.
    2) Good riddance? God...whatever happened to the softness and gentleness that was embodied in the Prophet (saw) who used to grieve to the point of physical pain out of sadness and good-will because people would not accept his message?
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muraad View Post
    1) I said it is a means to drive people away from the deen - I never said it is the cause nor did I say leave the deen. This is a very important distinction.
    2) Good riddance? God...whatever happened to the softness and gentleness that was embodied in the Prophet (saw) who used to grieve to the point of physical pain out of sadness and good-will because people would not accept his message?
    Prophet pbuh indeed fought those whom he knew had caused corruption.

    If a person leaves Islam just because of a fatwa he/she finds backwards, and starts touting their "ex-Muslim" status, its representative of more sinister intentions than a mere disagreement with a "backward" fatwa. In my humble opinion.
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos View Post
    Prophet pbuh indeed fought those whom he knew had caused corruption.
    Great idea, let's fight everyone who takes a picture! [/sarcasm]

    If a person leaves Islam just because of a fatwa he/she finds backwards, and starts touting their "ex-Muslim" status, its representative of more sinister intentions than a mere disagreement with a "backward" fatwa. In my humble opinion.
    Probably, but doesnt take away the part where the fatwa has a false premise and is completely irrelevant to the entire world population.

    Are you saying that the millions of Muslims who use cameras and take pictures sinful? Is it obligatory upon them to stop using a camera? Give me a straight answer.
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muraad View Post
    Are you saying that the millions of Muslims who use cameras and take pictures sinful? Is it obligatory upon them to stop using a camera? Give me a straight answer.
    yea it is kind of stupid when they are taking pictures in front of kaabah. It is annoying when they stop in midway and create issues for other ppl by blocking.

    It is also stupid because I do not want to be in ANYONE else's pics just because I decided to visit kaaba. I also dont want images of my physical existence remain in anyone's hard drive once I am dead. Ooh, I forgot, the crazy Saudis have cameras all over the masjid broadcasting to the whole world. So I should I guess visit the mosque with a mask on.

    As for sinful, according to my interpretation of Islam, yes they are. Excluding where it is a necessity such as ID cards and what have you.
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos View Post
    yea it is kind of stupid when they are taking pictures in front of kaabah. It is annoying when they stop in midway and create issues for other ppl by blocking.

    It is also stupid because I do not want to be in ANYONE else's pics just because I decided to visit kaaba. I also dont want images of my physical existence remain in anyone's hard drive once I am dead.
    So because you are personally annoyed with other people's picture taking habits and think it's 'stupid' - because of that, it is sinful upon every Muslim to use a camera and they are obligated to stop using it?
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    Re: The Prohibition of Photography: by Hazrat Maulana Yunus Patel (ra)

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muraad View Post
    So because you are personally annoyed with other people's picture taking habits and think it's 'stupid' - because of that, it is sinful upon every Muslim to use a camera and they are obligated to stop using it?
    their rights stop where my rights begin. if them trying to follow their rights infringe on mine, they have an obligation to stop.

    Islamically, I've told you, most traditional orthodox Muslim scholars in Saudi believe that taking pictures of humans for purposes other than education/ID is wrong. I follow more or less the same school of thought.

    http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/96832/photography

    It is narrated from him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in several saheeh ahaadeeth that when he saw that ‘Aa’ishah had a curtain in which there were images, he got angry and tore it down and said: “The most severely punished of people on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers).
    In another hadeeth he said: “The makers of these images – and he pointed to the images on the cloth – will be punished on the Day of Resurrection and it will be said to them: ‘Give life to that which you have created.’”

    And it is proven that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) erased the images that were on the walls of the Ka’bah on the day of the Conquest (of Makkah), which come under the same ruling as photographs. If we accept that photographs are like images in mirrors, then we cannot draw an analogy because it is established in sharee’ah that there is no room for analogy when there is a text, rather analogy comes into play when there is no text as is well known to the scholars of usool and all scholars. End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (27/442).

    Photography is not only the reflection of an image, rather it is created by means of a machine that captures the image, therefore it is trying to match the creation of Allaah using this machine. Moreover the prohibition on image-making is general because it involves trying to match the creation of Allaah and it poses a danger to religious beliefs and morals, regardless of the tools used or the method in which the images are made. End quote.
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